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the_scotsman wrote:


Do you really figure theyd be far up? I figure at max ill be like 10" from my DZ. If I dont have a daemon prince (AND ILL HAVE ONE) ill just advance an esorc.

And probably drop prescience. Heck, maybe votlw, but probably not.

And I wont be buying a 20 man squad to try and pull this off, ill just have the 10 man squad I would already. If I win first turn they get to jump right into an advantageous spot and double shoot some nerds turn 1.

Particularlt if its a unit my opponent thinks is reasonably in the backfield and I can reach out and boop them like some hellblasters or aggressors or something that could be nasty.

No, I think you've got the right idea. I was just cautioning people running away with thoughts of some juggernaut gambit.

ACK bring on the review vids!

 Brometheus wrote:
ACK bring on the review vids!

Even if it's just what they've previewed GKs are in a massively better place than they were, and any GK players who are complaining obviously haven't been playing too long. We've got spells, stratagems and relic to be announced.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
What's the reroll difference?

Pre SM codex v2 chapter masters used to have "reroll all failed hit roll" and with the SM v2 they got "reroll hit roll", except for BA chapter masters.

IIRC the difference is that the old one didn't allow you to reroll if your profile says you hit on 3+ and your dice land a 3, but the enemy has a rule giving you -1 to hit, right?
Else I can't really see the difference, except if you want to farm for 6 for a special rule maybe?

Modifiers apply after all re-rolls. Previously if you hit on a 3+, re-roll failed hits only ever allowed you to re-roll 1's and 2's regardless of modifiers. Now you can re-roll those dice that you know will miss after the modifiers are applied, and has proven to be especially powerful against negative to hit modifiers and units with abilities that go off on 6's to hit, like Infiltrators who auto wound on 6's to hit.

God only knows why they didn't just change the rule to doing modifiers before re-rolls or something.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Brometheus wrote:
ACK bring on the review vids!

Even if it's just what they've previewed GKs are in a massively better place than they were, and any GK players who are complaining obviously haven't been playing too long. We've got spells, stratagems and relic to be announced.

Oh I'm super happy with what we've seen for Thousand Sons! It's already boosts

Was hoping TS would boost Heldrakes. If anyone needs double shooting it's those flying turkeys.

Also, as a DG player I was cursing the gods for giving TS the Spawn buff stratagem.

I'm hoping when DG get their due, we get something for Spawn.

My only hope for DG is that we get access to Disco Lords.

Do Plasma Guns still explode more often at night?

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Was hoping TS would boost Heldrakes. If anyone needs double shooting it's those flying turkeys.

Also, as a DG player I was cursing the gods for giving TS the Spawn buff stratagem.

I'm hoping when DG get their due, we get something for Spawn.

TS are the Lords of Spawn. I bet money that the Cult of Mutation will offer something for Spawn.


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 buddha wrote:
My only hope for DG is that we get access to Disco Lords.

I would drop that hope.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do Plasma Guns still explode more often at night?

Yea, but with "full rerolls" you can avoid some of it.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 buddha wrote:
My only hope for DG is that we get access to Disco Lords.

I would drop that hope.
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Agreed.

The one thing I really want to see DG get is Disgustingly Resilient on the 'generic' chaos models that are Death Guard (characters and whatnot). Its really ridiculous for a member of the legion to become easier to kill as they gain rank and power.
It'd be nice on the vehicles too. I get cultists not having it, but all the members of the Legion should have it.

If Death Guard gain access to Lords Discordant, then they'd be like the Chaos Lord and Sorcerer in the book - bog standard rules, no Disgustingly Resilient, all because there is a Lord Discordant miniature, but not a Death Guard Lord Discordant miniature.

And I want 1KSons to get Venomcrawlers...

Still trying to figure out when Grey Knights got Chaplains.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
Still trying to figure out when Grey Knights got Chaplains.

the 8th edition GK codex.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
Still trying to figure out when Grey Knights got Chaplains.

GKs also have Librarians, because, ya

MiguelFelstone wrote:

Bob Lorgar wrote:
Still trying to figure out when Grey Knights got Chaplains.

GKs also have Librarians, because, ya

in an orginization where everyone is a psyker they're still going to have individuals whose talent set in that area is partiuclarly strong

The chapter that deals with Chaos more than any other should probably have a couple chaplains giving pep talks.

the_scotsman wrote:

I mean, tbf, none of those break core rules of the game. There's nothing in the core rules that says Over 9", it's just what GW had been (mostly) limiting factions to. And there have been situations that worked out like that previously but in your favor - like when they culled all turn 1 deep strike from the game EXCEPT for da jump (and I think there were like 2 more powers that worked like that or something)

There's huge differences between da jump and reserves that can come on t1 and units that can be deployed 9" from enemy dz before game starts. DUCY?

Nurglitch wrote:
So Grey Knights have Chaplains in 8th? What's the fluff on that? Does anyone take them?

GK have had Chaplains since at least 2004, in the fluff. If GK Chaplains actually get 6 brand new Litanies and some of them improve either successful charge rate, survivability or increase AP shooting, then 1 Chaplain could be a near auto-include then.

 Waking Dreamer wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
So Grey Knights have Chaplains in 8th? What's the fluff on that? Does anyone take them?

GK have had Chaplains since at least 2004, in the fluff. If GK Chaplains actually get 6 brand new Litanies and some of them improve either successful charge rate, survivability or increase AP shooting, then 1 Chaplain could be a near auto-include then.

I DIIIID need a reason to buy that awesome terminator chappy mini

 Carnikang wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Sorry to disappoint, but sister effects have the new full rerolls.

Also, in that same BoB book, there are tyranid effects which have the new full rerolls.

Which Tyranid rules from BoB are you talking about exactly?

Jormu new power.

BrianDavion wrote:

And despite being their own codex with their own units and identity you'll insist they're not really a seperate army. you'd have a lot better a time understanding 40k if you realized that as far as GW is concerned "if it has it's own codex, it is it's own faction"

That's completely irrelevant. My opinions on whether different coloured Marines should have their own codex or not factors no way into my point that you referenced. My point is that it's poor game design and awful narratively when a walking tank supersoldier is both literally in the game and narratively more sneaky than a faction of insidious humans known for being particularly sneaky. As I said - its also poor game design when they can counter all the sneaky shenanigans of GSC without effort or sacrifice.

 buddha wrote:
My only hope for DG is that we get access to Disco Lords.

Considering how a discolord is a techmarine, which we also don't get, highly unlikely.

Fluff-wise everything in the new start collecting box should be available to DG though.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do Plasma Guns still explode more often at night?

Yes, unless orks have build them.


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MiguelFelstone wrote:

Bob Lorgar wrote:
Still trying to figure out when Grey Knights got Chaplains.

GKs also have Librarians, because, ya

In previous edition, GK librarian were more powerful than regular librarians, more on the level of Tigurius or Farseers. Not every GK is a librarian.

 Jidmah wrote:
In previous edition, GK librarian were more powerful than regular librarians, more on the level of Tigurius or Farseers. Not every GK is a librarian.

I get that, it's just the whole "every Grey Knight is the equivalent of a Space Marine Librarian" shtick.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
In previous edition, GK librarian were more powerful than regular librarians, more on the level of Tigurius or Farseers. Not every GK is a librarian.

I get that, it's just the whole "every Grey Knight is the equivalent of a Space Marine Librarian" shtick.

they're not, keep in mind your average GK needs to work with an entire squad of battlebrothers to be as effective as a single libby

A Librarian would point out that GK need ten guys to cast half a smite

Being a "Psyker" is by levels of degrees.

Squad psykers are (I would say) a degree lower than your average (in 7th it would have been "level 1") librarian.

All of the Grey Knights are psychic to a degree, but only the ones in roles of real prominence have "Substantial" singular power. It was addressed in the second Ahriman novel. The Apprentice to Ahriman was fighting 3 Grey Knights and said that their essence wasn't a 1-1 exchange for a Psyker. It was a gestalt from them being together which gave them their power.

So its interesting when addressing how the GK's work in comparison to Psykers of notable power.

Yeah. Even in normal Marine chapters there are different ranks (and assumed proficiencies / strengths) of Librarians, from basic Lexicaniums to Chief Librarians.

Also, the Librarius itself has a role in the chapter for communications, etc... and "normal" Grey Knights probably aren't doing day-to-day Librarius-work, despite being Psykers, just as normal Tactical Marines probably aren't doing the work of Lieutenants or some such, even though both Tac Marines and Lieutenants can shoot bolters. There is still a functional separation in the chapter.

For psychic prowess it goes:

GK Justicar < SM Librarian < GK Librarian < Chief Librarian Tigurius < Grand Master Voldus.

 Waking Dreamer wrote:
For psychic prowess it goes:

GK Justicar < SM Librarian < GK Librarian < Chief Librarian Tigurius < Grand Master Voldus.

Funnily enough warhammer community just released an article on that and seriously I'm a bit appalled that GW actually believe Tigurius is comparable to Kairos or Eldrad.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/17/mind-over-matter-warhammer-40000s-top-psykers/