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The fluff of Eldrad and Tigurius being equals has been around fora very long time though. I thought that Kairos would be above them though.

You guys realize that its a list of favorites and not a power comparison or ranking, right?

Also they disqualified Tzeentch as he's a god and so on but the Empraah made it in, I suppose he's a sort of god too?

WhiteDog wrote:

 Waking Dreamer wrote:
For psychic prowess it goes:

GK Justicar < SM Librarian < GK Librarian < Chief Librarian Tigurius < Grand Master Voldus.

Funnily enough warhammer community just released an article on that and seriously I'm a bit appalled that GW actually believe Tigurius is comparable to Kairos or Eldrad.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/17/mind-over-matter-warhammer-40000s-top-psykers/

Well tigurius is marine. Others non imperial npc. No surprise there

 Jidmah wrote:
The fluff of Eldrad and Tigurius being equals has been around fora very long time though. I thought that Kairos would be above them though.

Comic book rules are most definitely in force here. Each character is exactly as powerful as the current story requires them to be.

tneva82 wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:

 Waking Dreamer wrote:
For psychic prowess it goes:

GK Justicar < SM Librarian < GK Librarian < Chief Librarian Tigurius < Grand Master Voldus.

Funnily enough warhammer community just released an article on that and seriously I'm a bit appalled that GW actually believe Tigurius is comparable to Kairos or Eldrad.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/17/mind-over-matter-warhammer-40000s-top-psykers/

Well tigurius is marine. Others non imperial npc. No surprise there

You don't see even a shred of irony repeating that NPC claim at every opportunity?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:

 Waking Dreamer wrote:
For psychic prowess it goes:

GK Justicar < SM Librarian < GK Librarian < Chief Librarian Tigurius < Grand Master Voldus.

Funnily enough warhammer community just released an article on that and seriously I'm a bit appalled that GW actually believe Tigurius is comparable to Kairos or Eldrad.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/17/mind-over-matter-warhammer-40000s-top-psykers/

Well tigurius is marine. Others non imperial npc. No surprise there

You don't see even a shred of irony repeating that NPC claim at every opportunity?

Presumably not, because typically on the internet the term "NPC" tends to mean a secondary, generally disposable character who isn't the focal point/protagonist of the narrative. It's only in the more fringe political corners where you see the definition altered to mean someone who is less of a human because they make statements that sound similar to common tropes.

Another Warlord Trait for the Dark Angels.

Another one confirmed for the full leak, then.

I do wonder what the "official wording" of the deny test is going to be. "automatically passed" i assume means you just...deny the test, guaranteed, but it is slighly weird wording when you're talking about what's basically a roll-off rather than a test at a static goal.


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Who this madman was who somehow had a full copy of the dark angel rules and was willing to risk the wrath of the GW secret police hitmen to bring us the rules days early but somehow did not have the GK and Tsons rules to leak, I don't know. Oh well, hopefully soon enough.

Voss wrote:
You guys realize that its a list of favorites and not a power comparison or ranking, right?

Yeah I totally misread this article. Sorry.

"Echoes of Awakening" is evidently the last fluff section in Ritual of the Damned.
I'd be more hyped, expecting something related to the Lion (which is still could be), but the whole event is "Psychic Awakening" so it could also be nothing.

We need to remember that the events of this campaign have all happened. They are events that have taken place previously in the fluff.

As we know the Lion isn't back in the most chronologically advanced fluff we should not expect his return (or any other Primarch that has not been mentioned in current fluff).

Based on that I think we'll not get a Primarch until either the end of it or until it has concluded. Perhaps the final book will be chronologically "new" events in the "present"? If not that then we'll have to wait for a new campaign for a new Primarch.

In terms of "big" lore characters we could see - Ghazzy has been rumoured and is big in Ork lore, The Silent King has been mentioned repeatedly and is a big deal for Necrons, Ragnar is expected for SW (though I'm not sure if he's been "Primarisified" according to current lore) - not sure who else is likely?

GaroRobe wrote:


"Echoes of Awakening" is evidently the last fluff section in Ritual of the Damned.
I'd be more hyped, expecting something related to the Lion (which is still could be), but the whole event is "Psychic Awakening" so it could also be nothing.

I'm hopeful, I don't think we'll get a miniature for him anytime soon, but if he shows up at the end of the book and does something awesome (like beat up Magnus), I think that would make this a really fun PA. He then disappears we get to wonder what he is up to until a later supplement. It moves the DA story forward and adds some new aspects into the DA story which has gotten a bit stale and predictable.

Awesome!!! Want to see more soon, maybe people will have videos getting up late tonight

WhiteDog wrote:

 Waking Dreamer wrote:
For psychic prowess it goes:

GK Justicar < SM Librarian < GK Librarian < Chief Librarian Tigurius < Grand Master Voldus.

Funnily enough warhammer community just released an article on that and seriously I'm a bit appalled that GW actually believe Tigurius is comparable to Kairos or Eldrad.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/17/mind-over-matter-warhammer-40000s-top-psykers/

the list isn't a "most powerful psykers ever" list, the list is "some of the community teams favorite psykers"
Or are people not allowed to like Ultramarines?

 Grimgold wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:


"Echoes of Awakening" is evidently the last fluff section in Ritual of the Damned.
I'd be more hyped, expecting something related to the Lion (which is still could be), but the whole event is "Psychic Awakening" so it could also be nothing.

I'm hopeful, I don't think we'll get a miniature for him anytime soon, but if he shows up at the end of the book and does something awesome (like beat up Magnus), I think that would make this a really fun PA. He then disappears we get to wonder what he is up to until a later supplement. It moves the DA story forward and adds some new aspects into the DA story which has gotten a bit stale and predictable.

Or get beaten up by Magnus.
... But Ofc i know you space marines always expect the win as granted, that's how mama GW thought you


So other than that
33 pages DA
10 pages GK
10 pages TS

As expected

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
We need to remember that the events of this campaign have all happened. They are events that have taken place previously in the fluff.

As we know the Lion isn't back in the most chronologically advanced fluff we should not expect his return (or any other Primarch that has not been mentioned in current fluff).

Based on that I think we'll not get a Primarch until either the end of it or until it has concluded. Perhaps the final book will be chronologically "new" events in the "present"? If not that then we'll have to wait for a new campaign for a new Primarch.

In terms of "big" lore characters we could see - Ghazzy has been rumoured and is big in Ork lore, The Silent King has been mentioned repeatedly and is a big deal for Necrons, Ragnar is expected for SW (though I'm not sure if he's been "Primarisified" according to current lore) - not sure who else is likely?

Big E is probably the only person confirmed to know the lion is still alive, so even if people saw the lion in action, it would be a leap to figure out he is still alive and this isn't some psychic manifestation. There is a lot of weird gak going on in the galaxy thanks to the citrix maledictum, like the emperors flaming sword cleaving the enemies of man. A psychic manifestation that takes the form of a dead primarch coming to assist his children in their hour of need would probably not even be the weirdest thing that happened on the planet of sorcerers.

Still, I'm fully convinced that I'm probably wrong, but it's fun to dream even if only for a day or two.

BrianDavion wrote:

Spoiler:

WhiteDog wrote:

 Waking Dreamer wrote:
For psychic prowess it goes:

GK Justicar < SM Librarian < GK Librarian < Chief Librarian Tigurius < Grand Master Voldus.

Funnily enough warhammer community just released an article on that and seriously I'm a bit appalled that GW actually believe Tigurius is comparable to Kairos or Eldrad.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/17/mind-over-matter-warhammer-40000s-top-psykers/

the list isn't a "most powerful psykers ever" list, the list is "some of the community teams favorite psykers"
Or are people not allowed to like Ultramarines?

No need for shade, read the rest of the thread - he admitted his mistake like 10 posts ago.


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 Grimgold wrote:
Big E is probably the only person confirmed to know the lion is still alive, so even if people saw the lion in action, it would be a leap to figure out he is still alive and this isn't some psychic manifestation. There is a lot of weird gak going on in the galaxy thanks to the citrix maledictum, like the emperors flaming sword cleaving the enemies of man. A psychic manifestation that takes the form of a dead primarch coming to assist his children in their hour of need would probably not even be the weirdest thing that happened on the planet of sorcerers.

Still, I'm fully convinced that I'm probably wrong, but it's fun to dream even if only for a day or two.

Lol I mean can you see it? Really? GW just like "Suckers, here's the L L L L L LIIIIIOOONNNNNNNN RAAWAWWWRRRR!!!" C'mon man. It ain't happening - not now at least.

E - Looks like TS get 5 Cults (assuming 1 per page) with a Relic, WL Trait and maybe 1 or 2 Psychic powers for each? 1 Page of stratagems, dayumm. #Magnusdidsomethingwrong

deTox91 wrote:


Or get beaten up by Magnus.
... But Ofc i know you space marines always expect the win as granted, that's how mama GW thought you

Magnus is a low tier primarch, he got beat by Russ, who in turn got beat by the Lion, so any outcome except for the lions victory would be surprising. Magnus is also a shard of his former self and got beat by Logan Grimnar, which sets the bar for beating Magnus pretty low.

They already said 9 cults

 Grimgold wrote:

Magnus is a low tier primarch, he got beat by Russ, who in turn got beat by the Lion.

Who in turn struggled against a half-marine.

 Crimson wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

Magnus is a low tier primarch, he got beat by Russ, who in turn got beat by the Lion.

Who in turn struggled against a half-marine.

A half marine chosen by all four gods of chaos in order to finish what horus had started, whom the lion could barely bring himself to fight because it was effectively his father figure.

Wait, why are there point values when CA 2019 just came out a few months ago?

And I liked GK better when their name stemmed from their armor color being smoked by the hellish fires they dared wade into, not the shiny knights-in-shining armor rewrite they got.

 Grimgold wrote:

A half marine chosen by all four gods of chaos in order to finish what horus had started, whom the lion could barely bring himself to fight because it was effectively his father figure.

Sounds like an excuse. If chaos can boost marines to primarch levels CSM should be a tad better than they currently are!

 Crimson wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

Magnus is a low tier primarch, he got beat by Russ, who in turn got beat by the Lion.

Who in turn struggled against a half-marine.

I would point out that Luther was akin to Horus. If Horus got buffed enough by Chaos to take down the emperor then Luther could be bumped to handle the Lion.

deTox91 wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:


"Echoes of Awakening" is evidently the last fluff section in Ritual of the Damned.
I'd be more hyped, expecting something related to the Lion (which is still could be), but the whole event is "Psychic Awakening" so it could also be nothing.

I'm hopeful, I don't think we'll get a miniature for him anytime soon, but if he shows up at the end of the book and does something awesome (like beat up Magnus), I think that would make this a really fun PA. He then disappears we get to wonder what he is up to until a later supplement. It moves the DA story forward and adds some new aspects into the DA story which has gotten a bit stale and predictable.

Or get beaten up by Magnus.
... But Ofc i know you space marines always expect the win as granted, that's how mama GW thought you


So other than that
33 pages DA
10 pages GK
10 pages TS

As expected

sure except examining the DA pages..

of those 33 pages
10 are the phobos stuff,
7 are updated datasheets for old units (stuff like the new hand weapon options for intercessors etc)
1 is the angels of death rule,
1 is the vanguard warlord traits
1 is the Obscuration Librarius Disipline


So once you get that out of the way it's 13 pages of new content, and of those 13 I think some of it is fluff.

Well Guilliman nearly got beat by Kor Phaeron. Seems like half-marines are the primarchs' secret weakness apparently.

 Hulksmash wrote:

I would point out that Luther was akin to Horus. If Horus got buffed enough by Chaos to take down the emperor then Luther could be bumped to handle the Lion.

Chaos really should this more often, they would have beaten the Imperium long time ago. Some random CSM gets level-boost and defeats Guilliman. And Imagine if they'd give that to Abaddon, he would be unstoppable!

 Brometheus wrote:
They already said 9 cults

9 Cults?! Over 5 pages?

Crikey that doesn't leave much in the way of relics, WL traits etc

BrianDavion wrote:

deTox91 wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:


"Echoes of Awakening" is evidently the last fluff section in Ritual of the Damned.
I'd be more hyped, expecting something related to the Lion (which is still could be), but the whole event is "Psychic Awakening" so it could also be nothing.

I'm hopeful, I don't think we'll get a miniature for him anytime soon, but if he shows up at the end of the book and does something awesome (like beat up Magnus), I think that would make this a really fun PA. He then disappears we get to wonder what he is up to until a later supplement. It moves the DA story forward and adds some new aspects into the DA story which has gotten a bit stale and predictable.

Or get beaten up by Magnus.
... But Ofc i know you space marines always expect the win as granted, that's how mama GW thought you


So other than that
33 pages DA
10 pages GK
10 pages TS

As expected

sure except examining the DA pages..

of those 33 pages
10 are the phobos stuff,
7 are updated datasheets for old units (stuff like the new hand weapon options for intercessors etc)
1 is the angels of death rule,
1 is the vanguard warlord traits
1 is the Obscuration Librarius Disipline


So once you get that out of the way it's 13 pages of new content, and of those 13 I think some of it is fluff.

I wish I got 7 pages of updated data sheets of old units, how's that's not new content, that literally would be more worth then the pages TS are getting right now