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GW clearly did a soft edition relaunch with the space marine books. Mainly because they released a lot of stuff all at once, at the beginning of 8th, and it was bland and not particularly balanced.

PA is rebalancing the books for all those early codexs and giving each faction something useful to compete with Iron Hands and Imperial Fists.

Same thing happened with CSM, grey nights etc So a much better strat before and after SM books isn't a new thing.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I've been saying to not buy their printed material for awhile. This is exactly the reason why.

Your solution hasn't been to stop playing with the published materials you disagree with though, you promote pirating the contents which is strictly worse than the practice GW use.

"Build Your Own Septs" examples!

New Prototype Wargear!


New Stratagems!


Farsight Enclaves goodies!



All for you to marvel at here in this article!.

Or you can click the spoilers. Your call.

Wait. Does this mean we will have characters in XV95 Ghostkeel suits?!

I for one am happy that the little suits got a bit off a buff.

Not Online!!! wrote:
I for one am happy that the little suits got a bit off a buff.

probably just additionnal support systems?

"Mirrorcodex"

Begun, the book wars have.

 Galas wrote:
Wait. Does this mean we will have characters in XV95 Ghostkeel suits?!

The answer is: I don't know. It's listed as "Prototype Weapons Systems"(which is amusing, because it's more of a support system. ). It might be a whole new list of things added that are exclusively for suits.

 Galas wrote:
Wait. Does this mean we will have characters in XV95 Ghostkeel suits?!

I assume that Prototype Weapons Systems work in a similar way to Tyranid Adaptive Physiology by going on normal units.

Also, a sneaker for the Genestealer Cult via Facebooks:


For those who are workblocked:

The Heart of the Creed
1 Command Point

Genestealer Cults Stratagem
Use this Stratagem before the battle. Select one <Cult> Primus model from your army. When that model is set up on the battlefield for the first time, you can select one additional enemy unit for that model's Meticulous Planner ability. You can only use this Stratagem once per battle.

Mirrorcodex returning is nice. It not giving you the old-school bonus on seizing the initiative is kinda lame though.

GSC Strat is weak. Tau get 18 auto hits on the for 1 CP, but GSC get basic Lieutenant re-rolls on one second unit in the game, but cc only and only, maybe if you somehow made it through all that Y’vhara overwatch? Suuuuuuure.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Mirrorcodex returning is nice. It not giving you the old-school bonus on seizing the initiative is kinda lame though.

GSC Strat is weak. Tau get 18 auto hits on the for 1 CP, but GSC get basic Lieutenant re-rolls on one second unit in the game, but cc only and only, maybe if you somehow made it through all that Y’vhara overwatch? Suuuuuuure.

Uh:

Tau get 18 auto hits for 1 CP and a minimum of 400pts

The GSC wound re-rolls work for shooting and melee, you're mixing them up with the +1 to hit in the fight phase

Even without the new strat, who the hell would willingly charge a Y’vhara with GSC glass-cannon units unless it was first under Mass Hypnosis or similar debuff? Poor strawman 2/10

 small_gods wrote:
GW clearly did a soft edition relaunch with the space marine books. Mainly because they released a lot of stuff all at once, at the beginning of 8th, and it was bland and not particularly balanced.

PA is rebalancing the books for all those early codexs and giving each faction something useful to compete with Iron Hands and Imperial Fists.

Same thing happened with CSM, grey nights etc So a much better strat before and after SM books isn't a new thing.

And in the real world a quick perusal of the PA books will show that so far none Imperial armies are getting almost nothing that lets them match up against the new Codex Space Marines.

Tau do look like they are getting some cool stuff but we'll see how much that changes things.

 Imateria wrote:

 small_gods wrote:
GW clearly did a soft edition relaunch with the space marine books. Mainly because they released a lot of stuff all at once, at the beginning of 8th, and it was bland and not particularly balanced.

PA is rebalancing the books for all those early codexs and giving each faction something useful to compete with Iron Hands and Imperial Fists.

Same thing happened with CSM, grey nights etc So a much better strat before and after SM books isn't a new thing.

And in the real world a quick perusal of the PA books will show that so far none Imperial armies are getting almost nothing that lets them match up against the new Codex Space Marines.

Tau do look like they are getting some cool stuff but we'll see how much that changes things.

Pretty sure Eldar Nightspinners with ignore cover and master artisans were doing stellar work vs marines.

 bullyboy wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

 small_gods wrote:
GW clearly did a soft edition relaunch with the space marine books. Mainly because they released a lot of stuff all at once, at the beginning of 8th, and it was bland and not particularly balanced.

PA is rebalancing the books for all those early codexs and giving each faction something useful to compete with Iron Hands and Imperial Fists.

Same thing happened with CSM, grey nights etc So a much better strat before and after SM books isn't a new thing.

And in the real world a quick perusal of the PA books will show that so far none Imperial armies are getting almost nothing that lets them match up against the new Codex Space Marines.

Tau do look like they are getting some cool stuff but we'll see how much that changes things.

Pretty sure Eldar Nightspinners with ignore cover and master artisans were doing stellar work vs marines.

Pretty sure Marines are still considerably better as an overall army.

Well, pretty telling that the best thing Eldar have going for them is half of the Imperial Fist and half of the Salamander tactic they got thanks to lazy copy & paste filler.

I mean Tau or Necrons or Knights or whatever with Master Artisan are all a straight upgrade. Kinda defeats the point of even having dice in the game at some point though.

Coordinated engagement is fairly tasty 0_o

So, if tau gets to create their own doctrine, what is left for the Astra militarum?

Now that I see his picture in the article it occurs to me that it really shoulda been farsight to get a new model rather than Shadowsun.

I mean, don’t get me wrong: She is finecast, but she was pretty up to date in terms of equipment whilst Farsight is both very undergunned by modern standards and stuck in smaller crisis suit than is standard for current commanders.

Wow that GSC strat is garbage. The army already leans nearly 100% into relying on CP just to function the way it was intended from the fluff and now they tie yet another subpar fix to yet another strat lol.

Consider a space marine lieutenant has an ability that is objectively better in every way that lasts the entire game with zero stipulation on reserves or how many targets and his is free from CP and the model has better stats at a cheaper price lol.

I don't know why it matters at this point since the entire GSC codex needs an entire rewrite, but this erases any optimism I had that GW could possibly do it, if even by accident.

For 1cp and the limit of once per battle this should have made the primus aura at least the same as the space marine LT.


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changemod wrote:
Now that I see his picture in the article it occurs to me that it really shoulda been farsight to get a new model rather than Shadowsun.

I mean, don’t get me wrong: She is finecast, but she was pretty up to date in terms of equipment whilst Farsight is both very undergunned by modern standards and stuck in smaller crisis suit than is standard for current commanders.

I agree but from a back ground perspective he is an outcast so I doubt he gets the latest and greatest gear on the cutting edge. They could have given him a crude look like they upgraded him on the front lines with stolen files and limited resources though, which would have been really cool and refreshing from all the super clean gundam looking suits.

 Red Corsair wrote:


For 1cp and the limit of once per battle this should have made the primus aura at least the same as the space marine LT.

Or, ya know, full re-rolls of all hits against an entire enemy army all game for just 2 CP .... oh wait, not even GW would ever introduce something as insanely broken as that, right .

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Mirrorcodex returning is nice. It not giving you the old-school bonus on seizing the initiative is kinda lame though.

GSC Strat is weak. Tau get 18 auto hits on the for 1 CP, but GSC get basic Lieutenant re-rolls on one second unit in the game, but cc only and only, maybe if you somehow made it through all that Y’vhara overwatch? Suuuuuuure.

I mean, if you say that the tau get 18 autohits, you really ought to say the GSC are getting army-wide lieutenant rerolls.

...And then not mention you're assuming the whole GSC army will be shooting at the targets selected by the primus.

the_scotsman wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Mirrorcodex returning is nice. It not giving you the old-school bonus on seizing the initiative is kinda lame though.

GSC Strat is weak. Tau get 18 auto hits on the for 1 CP, but GSC get basic Lieutenant re-rolls on one second unit in the game, but cc only and only, maybe if you somehow made it through all that Y’vhara overwatch? Suuuuuuure.

I mean, if you say that the tau get 18 autohits, you really ought to say the GSC are getting army-wide lieutenant rerolls.

...And then not mention you're assuming the whole GSC army will be shooting at the targets selected by the primus.

A shooting buff for GSC is about as useful as a close combat buff for Tau. Kinda misses the point.

If this is a Tau vs. GSC book and Tau get a strat to auto-vape a full aberrant unit for 1 CP, no questions asked, there should probably be an inverse strat for an aberrant unit at near-Y'vahra costs to inversely auto-remove a Y'vahra or Riptide or something, drones and overwatch, etc.. be damned, if the idea was to have that thing be "balanced".

changemod wrote:
Now that I see his picture in the article it occurs to me that it really shoulda been farsight to get a new model rather than Shadowsun.

I mean, don’t get me wrong: She is finecast, but she was pretty up to date in terms of equipment whilst Farsight is both very undergunned by modern standards and stuck in smaller crisis suit than is standard for current commanders.

I wouldn't be surprised if the reasoning is that she's like Cawl, something that many people would have liked to use but since she was locked to the 'main faction' and they didn't use it they never got her.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I've been saying to not buy their printed material for awhile. This is exactly the reason why.

Your solution hasn't been to stop playing with the published materials you disagree with though, you promote pirating the contents which is strictly worse than the practice GW use.

LOL "strictly worse". The truth of the matter is that the material isn't worth what they're charging for. Period. That's not even subjective at this point with all of the goddamn bloat they're creating.
They won't learn how bad their practices are until you teach them. That includes both pirating and/or not buying the material.

"Illegal actions will teach a company not to produce a product I want!". You can't whinge it's a worthless product that you want so badly you'll steal it.

 Spreelock wrote:
So, if tau gets to create their own doctrine, what is left for the Astra militarum?

The same thing?

From the outset, it's been a fair shake to guess that Astra Militarum, Genestealer Cultists, and Tau Empire were getting "create your own doctrine" systems while Ordo Tempestus was going to get expanded rules(likely in the form of a revamp to some of the way the Stormtrooper doctrine works).

The Eldar book had both Drukhari and Craftworlds getting the same system. I think Blood of Baal had the Tyranids getting it too.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I've been saying to not buy their printed material for awhile. This is exactly the reason why.

Your solution hasn't been to stop playing with the published materials you disagree with though, you promote pirating the contents which is strictly worse than the practice GW use.

LOL "strictly worse". The truth of the matter is that the material isn't worth what they're charging for. Period. That's not even subjective at this point with all of the goddamn bloat they're creating.
They won't learn how bad their practices are until you teach them. That includes both pirating and/or not buying the material.

There’s a difference between gently hinting towards something (don’t buy the books) and outright advocating for something illegal. During american prohibition people sold boxes of grape juice with specific instructions on what not to do in order to make sure it doesn’t turn into wine. This is the 40k equivilant of “don’t buy the books.” You are being the guy who writes “how to make wine” instead of “what not to do.”

Back on topic, so far it doesn’t look like anything competitively good has been released yet. The problem with crisis suits is still their durability compared to points cost. They are too short ranged and point intense to be reasonably used as a throwaway unit. It’s looking like PA Tau’s competitiveness will come down to the full list of custom traits. Its a shame because restricting ignore heavy to suits is disappointing for things like pathfinders/tetras/support turrets.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Mirrorcodex returning is nice. It not giving you the old-school bonus on seizing the initiative is kinda lame though.

GSC Strat is weak. Tau get 18 auto hits on the for 1 CP, but GSC get basic Lieutenant re-rolls on one second unit in the game, but cc only and only, maybe if you somehow made it through all that Y’vhara overwatch? Suuuuuuure.

I mean, if you say that the tau get 18 autohits, you really ought to say the GSC are getting army-wide lieutenant rerolls.

...And then not mention you're assuming the whole GSC army will be shooting at the targets selected by the primus.

A shooting buff for GSC is about as useful as a close combat buff for Tau. Kinda misses the point.

If this is a Tau vs. GSC book and Tau get a strat to auto-vape a full aberrant unit for 1 CP, no questions asked, there should probably be an inverse strat for an aberrant unit at near-Y'vahra costs to inversely auto-remove a Y'vahra or Riptide or something, drones and overwatch, etc.. be damned, if the idea was to have that thing be "balanced".

It's a shooting and a melee buff. You thought it was only melee.

Heart of the Creed seems like exactly the sort of thing a stratagem should be to me. Its not gamebreaking, its not required, its just a nice buff you can break out if you want it.

Tau are so good at a base level that really even a slight buff will make them interesting. Its one of the books where you don't get that much from being a specific sept, so you are not trading that much out.

To a degree "arguably worse but free target locks" is a weird tenet - but having to take target locks on things like ghostkeels does add up to making them worse. (I guess you don't have to take them, but hitting on 5s with the main gun is horrid.)

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Spreelock wrote:
So, if tau gets to create their own doctrine, what is left for the Astra militarum?

The same thing?

From the outset, it's been a fair shake to guess that Astra Militarum, Genestealer Cultists, and Tau Empire were getting "create your own doctrine" systems while Ordo Tempestus was going to get expanded rules(likely in the form of a revamp to some of the way the Stormtrooper doctrine works).

The Eldar book had both Drukhari and Craftworlds getting the same system. I think Blood of Baal had the Tyranids getting it too.

I for one look forward to field my Valhallans as a do-it-your-self regiment rather than with the joke rules they have now.

OTOH, I really should have stopped myself after my second AM project. Excluding Scions and Auxiliaries, I am currently at 5 different regiment WIPs.