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2019/11/15 21:23:59
Subject: The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
gorgon wrote: I think that's the good news for their organization. The gakshow gives them cover to fire another HC after one year without catching a lot of flak for it. The FO can claim the high moral ground and move on. Kitchens is a disaster, honestly. In way over his head. That team needs a firmer hand at the wheel that commands more respect to manage all those young guys and big personalities.
The interview with Mayfield after the game was revealing. He seems to get it.
But Belichick already has a job.
If you watch the whole thing, Rudolph not only grabbed Garrett's helmet but kicked him in the crotch. Then when he had 2 of his own linemen jump between them he came at Garrett. That's when the helmet was swung.
Guys grab helmets all the time. Rudolph probably deserves a fine, but the whole thing started because he was hit late and didn't like it. That kind of exchange also happens all the time. What never happens is it escalating to one dude hitting a helmetless dude in the head with his own helmet. Coulda put him in the hospital. So #RudolphWasJustAsBad is a gakky take.
gorgon wrote: So #RudolphWasJustAsBad is a gakky take.
I was initially in that camp, to be honest. I didn't watch the game and only saw snapshots this morning and came to that conclusion.
Then I saw all that came before. JuJu get taken out with blatant helm to helm, another Browns player ejected for helm to helm on a separate play, and more sloppy play from the Browns. The Rudolph/Garret thing was just the end of hours of beefing.
My memory may be pretty short, but I don't even think Ravens v. Steelers ever really got this heated. Even after Heloti Ngata karata chopped Big Bens nose in half.
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2019/11/15 21:55:39
Subject: The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
gorgon wrote: So #RudolphWasJustAsBad is a gakky take.
I was initially in that camp, to be honest. I didn't watch the game and only saw snapshots this morning and came to that conclusion.
Then I saw all that came before. JuJu get taken out with blatant helm to helm, another Browns player ejected for helm to helm on a separate play, and more sloppy play from the Browns. The Rudolph/Garret thing was just the end of hours of beefing.
My memory may be pretty short, but I don't even think Ravens v. Steelers ever really got this heated. Even after Heloti Ngata karata chopped Big Bens nose in half.
No, it was always vicious, but with a level of respect. Two genuinely tough teams.
There were also, what, 10 seconds left in the game when Garrett hit him late and laid on top of him? It was just more unnecessary stuff by a team trying to act tough but ultimately just being cheap. It's the Bengals of a few years back redux. Fake tough.
gorgon wrote: I think that's the good news for their organization. The gakshow gives them cover to fire another HC after one year without catching a lot of flak for it. The FO can claim the high moral ground and move on. Kitchens is a disaster, honestly. In way over his head. That team needs a firmer hand at the wheel that commands more respect to manage all those young guys and big personalities.
The interview with Mayfield after the game was revealing. He seems to get it.
But Belichick already has a job.
If you watch the whole thing, Rudolph not only grabbed Garrett's helmet but kicked him in the crotch. Then when he had 2 of his own linemen jump between them he came at Garrett. That's when the helmet was swung.
Guys grab helmets all the time. Rudolph probably deserves a fine, but the whole thing started because he was hit late and didn't like it. That kind of exchange also happens all the time. What never happens is it escalating to one dude hitting a helmetless dude in the head with his own helmet. Coulda put him in the hospital. So #RudolphWasJustAsBad is a gakky take.
I can understand Rudolph being upset... even tired of getting hit, 4 Sacks plus 11 hits in 64 plays, 2 of those sacks in the last 2 minutes. He spent a quarter of his game time on the ground. But THAT is on his O-line. The hit that started it wasn't late, Garrett actually had Rudolph wrapped up when he threw the ball. It was a roughing penalty because Garrett threw Rudolph to the ground at the end of it instead of letting go. Rudolph reacted badly.
Watch the first 8 seconds.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, so much for the Tankin' For Tua Show.
Tua has a dislocated hip with a posterior wall fracture today and is done for the season... maybe more. Repair could include pins and at least 8 months recovery/rehab. There is also the possibility of restricted motion after all of that.
Maybe Cincy should hire Kaep.
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Not much hype coming out of Kap's workout. Apparently alot of logistic problems in changing venues and communication. The blame most assuredly falls on the NFL.
edit: looks like there was quite a lot of fuckery afoot at Kap's workout:
If there’s one mantra the NFL seems to believe when it comes to scandal, it’s that all things shall pass. Beset by many major controversies over the past decade, from a cover-up of the consequences of head trauma to rampant abuse of painkillers and leniency on domestic violence, the league has largely been right that things can be smoothed over in time.
One major exception is the blackballing of former San Francisco QB Colin Kaepernick, who started a massive controversy when he kneeled during the national anthem of a 2016 preseason game to draw awareness to racial and social injustices in the U.S. Kaepernick, who worked out for several NFL teams in Atlanta on Saturday, opted out of his 49ers contract in 2017 and hasn't found work in the league since.
The NFL has launched a host of social justice initiatives to deflect from the idea that it is against Kaepernick’s message. Among them is a partnership the league announced with Roc Nation, the entertainment company launched by rapper Jay-Z, to further efforts to foster education and criminal justice reform. The partnership also meant that Roc Nation would play a role in selecting musical artists to perform at key NFL events throughout the year, including the Super Bowl.
That last item is especially important, as the NFL has had difficulty in recent years landing a significant act for the Super Bowl halftime show, which has long been a marquee platform not only for the league but also the music industry at large. Rihanna infamously turned down an offer from the NFL to perform at last season’s Super Bowl.
Landing pop artists isn’t everything, of course. The NFL knows the exclusion of Kaepernick continues to be a popular talking point from those inclined to criticize the league, and for good reason. With a younger generation highly committed to social justice causes, the NFL risks alienating fans for decades if the narrative solidifies that the league cast Kaepernick aside because he inspired players around the league, and the entire sports landscape, to use their platform to protest societal ills like police brutality.
That the NFL had to reach a financial settlement in February with Kaepernick and former teammate Eric Reid in a collusion case only makes the league seem more culpable. Some critics of Reid and Kaepernick gloated when it was reported that the settlement ended up being under $10 million, perhaps less than what some supporters of the two had hoped. But the fact that there was a settlement at all is damning to the NFL all the same. It demonstrates a degree of fault and proves, whatever the motives, league ownership was trying to suppress two players who are worthy of being employed.
The career of Reid, who also kneeled in protest during national anthems, has continued just fine; after leaving the 49ers, he has started at safety with the Panthers for two seasons. Kaepernick, however, can't find an NFL job. It has become common practice over the past few years for a chorus of questioning voices to rise up and wonder whether the 32-year-old would get a call when a QB goes down with an injury.
There were brief rumblings about the Seahawks giving him a shot in 2018, but that never materialized. Otherwise, it has been silence and inaction. So it’s little wonder that the NFL abruptly and unilaterally decided to announce the Saturday workout for Kaepernick in Atlanta. There was plenty to question at the outset. Why now? Why was the workout scheduled on a Saturday, when few key representatives from teams can attend due to preparation for games the next day? Why a stubborn insistence that the workout, to be held at the Falcons' facility, be closed?
What’s more, there’s the matter of the liability waiver the NFL was asking Kaepernick to sign before the workout. Not only did it contain language protecting the league from any injury he might suffer, which is understandable, but it also protected the league from any further employment claims that could come up after the grievance was resolved in February. Rightfully, Kaepernick wanted no part of this NFL process, so he held an unsanctioned workout at a local high school instead.
By all indications, Kaepernick’s performance that he organized before representatives of eight teams went well. Scouts marveled at the state of his arm strength, proclaiming it as good as when he came out of college.
On Sunday night, a report indicated that Kaepernick’s had not received a contract offer or an invite for a private workout. Kaepernick’s agent, Jeff Nalley, told ESPN that league sources seemed to suggest that the proposed NFL workout was more about getting signed for the 2020 season. If that’s so, he reasonably countered, why not have it during the December owners meetings? Nalley did suggest rescheduling it closer to the NFL Draft next spring, but Kaepernick shut that down, saying he didn’t want to take focus away from prospects, a wise decision.
In the two days since the workout, Jay-Z reportedly was upset with Kaepernick for not accepting all of the NFL’s demands and turning the workout into “a publicity stunt.” If anything, this reveals how much the rapper and mogul is in the pockets of the NFL, as it was the league that made all these ironclad demands when any of its teams could have worked out Kaepernick at any time over the past few years but chose not to. What’s more, there’s no reason for Kaepernick to cave to the league’s curious demands of no media and a bizarre waiver that exculpates it from further legal liability.
It also is odd that some NFL media have been at least mildly critical of Kaepernick, if not downright scolding.
The most cynical reading of the NFL calling for this workout on its own terms is that the league can shrug and say, “well, we tried” even as it was being unyielding in its demands and ultimately not helpful. If that little emphasis got Kaepernick a job, then fine. The ends would justify the means. As it stands, there’s no justification yet and little reason this affair turns into anything more than the 10,000 rounds of speculation about Kaepernick's future we’ve been through over the past few years.
Also, more Pass Interference calls/noncalls/ and not getting overturned in review. What a joke, just get rid of it. Even I, as a Ravens fan was flabbergasted that a PI wasn't called early in the rout of The Texans.
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2019/11/18 22:18:13
Subject: The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
I've seen several articles that say the opposite; that he was "average" in several categories outside of arm strength, like accuracy.
Either way, he didn't look like he really wanted a job.
If you want to work for Ford or GM, you don't invite them to your garage. You go to Ford or GM.
If you want to work for Google, you go play their hiring games.
Kaep didn't go where the people who showed up were at. He wanted them to go elsewhere. He didn't want to throw to their receivers, he wanted his. The NFL said no to his film crew.
He wanted HIS show.
Doesn't sound like a professional to me. Doesn't sound like he is ready to listen to a coach or anyone else either.
“If I was still coaching, my big question would be, Colin Kaepernick is a good quarterback,” former Super Bowl winner Tony Dungy said on NBC. “He’s a good athlete. I know he can throw the ball. I know he is one of the top 100 quarterbacks playing. But what I don’t know is how badly he wants to play. And that didn’t get answered.”
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I don’t disagree with anything you are saying. Seemed like a gak show.
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2019/11/19 05:51:19
Subject: The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
I've seen several articles that say the opposite; that he was "average" in several categories outside of arm strength, like accuracy.
Either way, he didn't look like he really wanted a job.
If you want to work for Ford or GM, you don't invite them to your garage. You go to Ford or GM.
If you want to work for Google, you go play their hiring games.
Kaep didn't go where the people who showed up were at. He wanted them to go elsewhere. He didn't want to throw to their receivers, he wanted his. The NFL said no to his film crew.
He wanted HIS show.
Doesn't sound like a professional to me. Doesn't sound like he is ready to listen to a coach or anyone else either.
“If I was still coaching, my big question would be, Colin Kaepernick is a good quarterback,” former Super Bowl winner Tony Dungy said on NBC. “He’s a good athlete. I know he can throw the ball. I know he is one of the top 100 quarterbacks playing. But what I don’t know is how badly he wants to play. And that didn’t get answered.”
I happened to see another article talking about the gakshow that is the NFL's hosting of this event, that I think better illustrates the various problematic elements at play here and why I disagree with your statements of "if you want to work for ford you go to ford", in this specific instance.
Basically, if you don't want/care to read the article here's a number of elements:
-No cameras/media during the workout. . . it wasn't just Kaep's crew, it was everyone. . . . Tell me, how can the League distribute film to all 32 teams, as they originally said, if they then disallow all cameras/media presence?
-It was on Saturday (ie, the worst day of the week to be scouting an NFL aged, NFL "ready" player)
-They gave him very, very little time to accept conditions/location
-They wanted him to sign a bizarre and over the top waiver (we might presume that this had additional language which would prevent further legal/civil actions against the league by Kaep)
2019/11/19 14:54:16
Subject: The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
Maybe my view is shaded by the whole Terrell Owens thing. You remember, he worked out for the cameras in his driveway to show he was fit to play.
This kind of comes across the same way. Yeah, the NFL may have been a bit shady with the waiver and all, but Kaep's team didn't leave a lot of room for negotiation either.
Consider, Philadelphia had workouts for a number of players in the past couple weeks, no cameras, no tv crews, no script. Just the players and coaches, and a few doctors for the physicals.
This thing with Kaep had all the hallmarks of each side wanting to play their script and not the other guys. In that, Kaep kinda won, but wound up hurting the perception of him with a lot of people. Now teams have to look at whether he is worth it from a perception stand point. Is he good enough to also put up with the drama he brings? Was A.B. in New England? or Josh Gordon? Teams are staying away from A.B. because the answer seems to be "no". Seattle thinks Gordon is worth it, for now.
The other question is, is he worth the money?
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I think teams are staying away from AB for another shady NFL reason - there’s almost no doubt the second he signed with a team before the league’s “investigation” is concluded, he’d be placed on the ‘exempt list’ and wouldn’t be playing.
But ultimately you’re right in regards to the NFL and Kaepernick - both sides are pushing agendas, but I still think the NFL is being disingenuous and shady to a greater degree...
2019/11/19 16:48:06
Subject: The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
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2019/11/19 18:19:21
Subject: The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
He was offered a tryout. Something like 30 teams showed up, for a long in the tooth QB.
Meh. a pox on both their houses.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2019/11/20 22:08:08
Subject: Re:The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
Bell taking a stand against random drug tests. Don't think that will go the way he (or those players who are also in an uproar over the drug tests) thinks it will go.
Le’Veon Bell is the latest NFL player to feel targeted by the league’s drug testing program, and the star running back says he is not going to submit to any more tests for the rest of the season.
Like many other players have done before him, Bell took to Twitter on Wednesday to imply he does not believe the NFL’s random drug testing program is truly random. He also accused sample collectors of using “dirty a– needles” and said he will not take another test after submitting to five in the past 10 weeks.
Le'Veon Bell
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@LeVeonBell
I done had 5 “random” HGH blood test in 10 weeks...@NFL I’m not doing another after today, whatever y’all lookin for it obviously ain’t there & I’m not about to keep allowing y’all to stick me with those dirty ass needles..find the players who really do that HGH BS & get off me..
The NFL tests players for performance-enhancing drugs on a random basis, and they have had the legitimacy of the program questioned many times in the past. Carolina Panthers defensive back Eric Reid believed he was being targeted last year because of his role in national anthem protests, which led to both the NFL and NFL Players Association releasing a statement confirming there was evidence Reid’s name was randomly pulled from a computer program.
Bell has 817 total yards from scrimmage and four touchdowns so far in his first season with the Jets. He is the second star player in the past week to call out the NFL over drug testing, and he likely won’t be the last.
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2019/11/21 03:13:56
Subject: Re:The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
nels1031 wrote: Bell taking a stand against random drug tests. Don't think that will go the way he (or those players who are also in an uproar over the drug tests) thinks it will go.
Yeah. . . that seems like an odd beach to defend or hill to charge. . . I mean, OBJ "taking a stand" on the league's uniform policy is one thing. . . . but drugs??? There aren't enough recreation legal states for marijuana to make that a worthwhile fight. There's also a range of other drugs that can/are likely tested for. . . so, umm, yeah, I can't see this going well
2019/11/21 07:06:25
Subject: The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
Alpharius wrote: But yet when it does offer him something it should be a bit more above board then this fiasco, right?
Kap turned down Elway's offers and left the broncos to sign case keenum and then joe flacco. There was no collusion, he just wanted more money than he was being offered. If he really wanted to play, he would be wearing that ridiculous orange and blue. He also rejected the AAF when they offered him. His biggest foe is Cap space, not Kap space.
2019/11/21 21:19:13
Subject: The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
Of course drug tests aren't random, same way our military ones aren't. There will be a target demographic, but so what? If you have nothing to hide, what's your worry?
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2019/11/24 01:21:50
Subject: The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
Tua Tagovailoa's hip/pelvic injury, plus concussion and broken nose, is just the latest. This is the second season in a row he is unable to finish. Looking at some of his previous injuries: Broken Finger, Sprained Knee, Quad, Left Ankle, Right Ankle. All of those last year.
Questions: Is he Injury Prone?
Should he just take his final year at Alabama and forgo the Draft?
Is he done?
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Questions: Is he Injury Prone?
Should he just take his final year at Alabama and forgo the Draft?
Is he done?
I would've thought, prior to the hip injury, that he would still be a high draft stock.
I don't know whether this injury will have the same detrimental effect as Bo Jackson's back in the day. . . but I don't think many NFL teams would take that risk.
2019/11/25 14:58:55
Subject: The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
Thing is, the NFL has a ridiculously draconian drug policy compared to other major sports. Testing for PEDs is one thing. Policing potentially legal recreational use is another, especially when the league absolutely targets players and is itchy to throw suspensions at them. Other sports don't care about some recreational use, and when it's more than that the focus is about getting the players help, not banishing them from the sport.
And the big difference between your workplaces and the NFL is that the players DON'T have to agree to it. They can demand changes with the next CBA. But the NFL players' union has always rolled over on this and many other fronts. MLB, NBA, and even NHL players wouldn't stand for some of the stuff that goes on in the NFL.
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Easy E wrote: Jets over the Raiders? The Raiders should be embarrassed with how they played!
I felt that about the 3 games I watched.
I watched Seahawks v. Eagles, Pats v. Cowbows and 49ers v. Packers.
All but the 49ers should be embarassed with how they played.
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2019/11/25 17:18:52
Subject: The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
gorgon wrote: Thing is, the NFL has a ridiculously draconian drug policy compared to other major sports. Testing for PEDs is one thing. Policing potentially legal recreational use is another, especially when the league absolutely targets players and is itchy to throw suspensions at them. Other sports don't care about some recreational use, and when it's more than that the focus is about getting the players help, not banishing them from the sport.
And the big difference between your workplaces and the NFL is that the players DON'T have to agree to it. They can demand changes with the next CBA. But the NFL players' union has always rolled over on this and many other fronts. MLB, NBA, and even NHL players wouldn't stand for some of the stuff that goes on in the NFL.
I guess I'm just jaded by the MLB steroid era and the Lance Armstrong thing, but whenever I hear a pro athlete complain about drug testing or feel the need to protest their innocence, my alarm bells go off.
Plus I've always been told by folks more familiar with the drug testing in the big 3 US sports that they are basically intelligence tests. Like you have to be completely obvious and sloppy about your PED usage to fail these things. But I obviously have no first hand experience and I've never really looked into it. At the level they play in the NFL, I assume they are all dirty in some way. Even the mascots.
I'm cool with it to be honest. Just keep a lid on it, I suppose.
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2019/11/26 00:53:25
Subject: The 2019-2020 NFL Season: Is it now...Colin Kaepernick's World?!?
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