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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Exactly. As it is, it's unnecessary bloat of units entries just because.

Can't sell and make £££ without that bloat.

Can't sell and make $$$ with Terminators, period.

A different entry for each of the armour variants isn't a big deal. Strictly speaking, my issue is the fact that Assault and 'Vanilla' Terminator Squads can't overlap. Combat Squadding is a thing--and there's no reason to ever do it when you can just do MSU of the kind you want instead.

It's a big deal because of it being unnecessary. A single Terminator entry that wasn't terrible is something most people would get behind.

That's cool. It doesn't address my own issue, but cool?

I'd rather we ditch Assault Terminator Squads, roll their options into the Terminator Squad entry and focus on making Terminator Armour, period, something that doesn't suck. Mixed units can be problematic, and if we go that route I'd rather see it as a special unit for the former Legions rather than just a 'vanilla' rule.

Ok as a player who hasnt played for 20 years....now the owner of Dark Imperium.

This question applied to Primaris but I guess old skool marines too.

For Tactical(Intecessors now??).....what is the point of the huge backpack they wear? Assault marines who could 'jump' in the old days had much bigger packs.

A normal marine has this huge jumpy packy thing but is it just aesthetics?

It's the power generator for the armour.

Marines have always ahd back packs, and these are, as crimson said primarily power packs for the armor. Some sources have said the vents in them can be used for thrust in low gravity enviroments. but we only really see signs of that with the new supressors. assault marines have, as you noticed much larger jump packs.

The exhausts vent CO2 and toxins. The packs indeed provide power as well as stimms etc.

The new marines look good. The body proportions are more sensible and less awkward.

The new marines are ridiculously over-priced compared to other models.

For this reason, hard pass.

 Wulfmar wrote:
The new marines look good. The body proportions are more sensible and less awkward.

The new marines are ridiculously over-priced compared to other models.

For this reason, hard pass.

Agreed. Old marines are just terrible at this point. I've stuck to easy-to-build and eBay for most of my primaris buys so far. Doesn't help that re-sellers are trying to sell easy to build kits at the same price as full kits, but that's a topic for another discussion.

At least the Mk3 and Mk4 still look good.

I still like the old marine kits. I'll say though I kind of started out the game disliking how marines looked for the most part, it's grown on me decades later. Are the nu marines better looking, I'd say mostly yes, though I'm not a huge aggressor look fan. I still enjoy the visuals of my old marines, especially the tanks as they call back to a historic vibe where as the new floaty tanks just feel more generic sci fi space man battle wagon. Not to devolve into a whole thing, just my likes and dislikes. Also enjoy the more updated old dread models over the redemptor which remind me of Robocop 2. Which is fine, but each time I see it I think " Kane, your coming with me ! "

The day that Marines were given an Ork blood transplant, so that they grew depending on importance, was when GW threw scale out the window.

I have no problems with Primaris, especially as they appear to represent "real" marines, as told in the stories. But that LTs are bigger than normal Primaris, followed by the captain, etc up to the big Gullyman, is dumb and stops me from getting into them.

Of course, they are the future. But my Ultramarines remain relatively pure. The flying aggressors look like floaty Termies, and the Standard bearer looks like a "big bro" on the battle field. The other primaris will all be put into their own chapter, as they are out of scale, with time.

Since the Primaris were released I´ve bought a tactical squad, two devastators, two scout boxes and a Speeder. No stand alone Primaris though. Nothing appeals.

Laffin wrote:
But that LTs are bigger than normal Primaris, followed by the captain, etc up to the big Gullyman, is dumb and stops me from getting into them.

What the hell are you talking about? Apart of Guilliman none of this is true.

 Crimson wrote:

Laffin wrote:
But that LTs are bigger than normal Primaris, followed by the captain, etc up to the big Gullyman, is dumb and stops me from getting into them.

What the hell are you talking about? Apart of Guilliman none of this is true.

40mm base?

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Laffin wrote:
But that LTs are bigger than normal Primaris, followed by the captain, etc up to the big Gullyman, is dumb and stops me from getting into them.

What the hell are you talking about? Apart of Guilliman none of this is true.

40mm base?

But that doesn't affect the size of the models...

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Laffin wrote:
But that LTs are bigger than normal Primaris, followed by the captain, etc up to the big Gullyman, is dumb and stops me from getting into them.

What the hell are you talking about? Apart of Guilliman none of this is true.

40mm base?

I got some Genestealer Cult Neophytes with heavy weapons that would like to have a word about that. A bigger base is just that a bigger base doesn't affect the size of the model.

Funny, I am putting together some 30 Primais Intercessors and noticed a few things:
- The easy to build has some rather obvious items that are molded to the body, holstered pistols have pretty thick grip on them.
- The models are posed with the dynamic wide stance so they have the occasional same problem as the old marines on 24mm bases: their toes hang off the edge (eventually shift to 40mm bases later so history repeats itself??).

As an aside, I like the protective collar on these guys but it makes painting the ear plate and side mouth hoses a pain: definitely paint the heads prior to gluing them on.
No comment on keeping the ams off to paint the chest eagle... ever since I built a ship in the bottle I have never been the same.

The larger models have these nice panel lines, little ports here and there, there is opportunity to have a more "busy" looking model if you wish.

I am not liking the curved clear flyer bases BUT they are a good hard plastic so they get points for that, I build up a bit of material into the base and use brass rod, paint those matt-black and they are hardly noticed.

Funny to see the statement "no negativity in this topic!", the main source of negativity other than trolling is no-one wants to see their army go obsolete.
I think my friend still is holding a grudge since his Squats were umm, "Squatted".
That may soon be the new name for old marines "Squat marines" seems to fit.


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 ValentineGames wrote:
Still think the fluff is terrible for them.

They are trying to diversify the change to the new guys.
There is the originals that were made but they only fill one combat role (had not worked up through the ranks).
The "ascended" like Calgar can take an old marine and update them.
The new process can now roll-out to new initiates so all bases are covered to mothball the "Squat-marines".

And the lack of versatility is still boring.

I "think" their intent was to yet-again simplify the game by having only one weapon type per squad.
I find rolling different coloured dice work well for differing weapons but that is just me.

The vehicles for them are appalling and childish.

The combat-role does seem to be a bit confused on these things.
The back corner turrets on a turret are what made me question their sanity (Repulsor Executioner).

They still feel like GW has no clue what they wanted or still want to do with them except make money.

They are at a stage to be able to re-write Space Marines to how they always wanted them to be (like 7' tall to scale).
BUT they do not want to kill what came before so they cannot quite make them completely different.
I keep feeling like their decisions are to get as much stop-gap stuff out there until they can fill/mature the line.
Hence, why the vehicles seem a bit like a swiss-army knife: useful in most circumstances, master of none.

There is still a lot of animosity over the way Primaris were released and their lack of a classic marine aesthetic with all the adornments

Serafimov86 wrote:
There is still a lot of animosity over the way Primaris were released and their lack of a classic marine aesthetic with all the adornments

Classic Marines don't really have that many adornments in the base kits, and what there is is mostly optional. The only beef I have is the purity seals on some of the legs, but those are easy to carve off.

I legit hate any bling like that. It irks me for whatever reason.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I legit hate any bling like that. It irks me for whatever reason.

That’s why they were quite explicit when talking about the introduction of Primaris that they are leaving most all the bling off so people like you could have free reign, and others could add as much as they want. They have been explicit in this with Vox-Cast.

 Apple Peel wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I legit hate any bling like that. It irks me for whatever reason.

That’s why they were quite explicit when talking about the introduction of Primaris that they are leaving most all the bling off so people like you could have free reign, and others could add as much as they want. They have been explicit in this with Vox-Cast.

which is a really good thing. they can leave the bling off and then put out upgrade kits with chapter specific bling. my ONLY issue with Primaris that way is due to the way they're designed there's not gonna be a nice easy way to swap out a chest peice allowing for a chapter specific aquilla like you could do with old Marines. that's really my biggest complaint about Primaris. (pretty small complaint innit?)

BrianDavion wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I legit hate any bling like that. It irks me for whatever reason.

That’s why they were quite explicit when talking about the introduction of Primaris that they are leaving most all the bling off so people like you could have free reign, and others could add as much as they want. They have been explicit in this with Vox-Cast.

which is a really good thing. they can leave the bling off and then put out upgrade kits with chapter specific bling. my ONLY issue with Primaris that way is due to the way they're designed there's not gonna be a nice easy way to swap out a chest peice allowing for a chapter specific aquilla like you could do with old Marines. that's really my biggest complaint about Primaris. (pretty small complaint innit?)

I honestly hate the Aquila too. When I finally get to purchasing Aggressors and Centurions I'll be taking a good amount of time to carve them off.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I legit hate any bling like that. It irks me for whatever reason.

That’s why they were quite explicit when talking about the introduction of Primaris that they are leaving most all the bling off so people like you could have free reign, and others could add as much as they want. They have been explicit in this with Vox-Cast.

which is a really good thing. they can leave the bling off and then put out upgrade kits with chapter specific bling. my ONLY issue with Primaris that way is due to the way they're designed there's not gonna be a nice easy way to swap out a chest peice allowing for a chapter specific aquilla like you could do with old Marines. that's really my biggest complaint about Primaris. (pretty small complaint innit?)

I honestly hate the Aquila too. When I finally get to purchasing Aggressors and Centurions I'll be taking a good amount of time to carve them off.

I don't hate it, but it was neat to have some varity among old Marines. And it was nice when you had some slightly differnt styling on differant chapters chest plates. the blood drop on BAs, the wolf head on SWs etc.