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I liked Solo.

And you’re being silly by missing out on Endgame.

Hoping that RoS will be good - I think it probably will be...

 Alpharius wrote:
And yet, what are the odds that everyone in this thread will see it no longer then one month after release?

I’d even bet that Frazz has already bought his day one tix!

Considering I haven't purchased a movie ticket since Guardians of the Galaxy was in theaters, and still refuse to... I think it'd take a lot more than Star Wars to convince me to spend that absurd amount of money on a movie ticket.

It's overall too expensive, even for things that somewhat interest me. I'm not kidding, over $20.00 for tickets here at the theater that doesn't have crack dealers shuffling around in the parking lot. That's like, 2/3 of a Primaris Lieutenant, man!

 Alpharius wrote:
I liked Solo.

And you’re being silly by missing out on Endgame.

Hoping that RoS will be good - I think it probably will be...

I don't think standing up for what you believe in is silly but YMMV. Regardless, I'll see it eventually. At some point, Disney will likely offer a free week or month on their streaming service and I'll sign up and binge it along with the Mandalorian or just borrow a friend's dvd (although honestly none have reported getting it yet but that's likely because of streaming moreso than a specific statement on the movie). Initially I did think about renting it on redbox for a dollar but honestly I haven't had the urge to see it that much.

 Alpharius wrote:
And yet, what are the odds that everyone in this thread will see it no longer then one month after release?

I mean, how can I not? As a kid, SW was my main jam and that was with barely any mass marketing beyond the movies getting a VHS release. This series has been super important to me for decades. If SW ever gets to the point where even fans like me can’t even be bothered to go see new films then I doubt anyone would bother making them in the first place.

 Manchu wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
And yet, what are the odds that everyone in this thread will see it no longer then one month after release?

I mean, how can I not? As a kid, SW was my main jam and that was with barely any mass marketing beyond the movies getting a VHS release. This series has been super important to me for decades. If SW ever gets to the point where even fans like me can’t even be bothered to go see new films then I doubt anyone would bother making them in the first place.

Exactly!

It is more or less how they’ve ‘got’ most of us here. At least for one more ride.

But...Who knows?

Ep 9 really may be THE END for many!

 Manchu wrote:
If they told us, we might not go see it.

That's cute, but my point was that trailers generally give an idea of what the film is about. Teaser is just that, teaser, then you get two more trailers. One is wizz-bang money shots using some newly completed FX to get people excited, and maybe hit on some character beats, and the second should give some indication of the story.

These trailers have both been the former. We're still in the dark about any element of the narrative other than "Rey will probably be awesome at everything she does without needing to try or be trained or anything".

 Alpharius wrote:
Ep 9 really may be THE END for many!

It's Disney.

No matter how many of us refuse to spend money on a ticket, no matter how bad we put down and criticize the movies- they won't stop.

We only needed one damned Cinderella, Aladdin, Lilo & Stitch... and Disney will drag their corpses out of the tomb and squeeze them for every single buck they can make.

Afternoon low-budget live-action Marvel and Star Wars direct-to-Disney TV movies will be the norm.

It's been THE END for a while, man. A lot of us don't like what they do.

And they don't care.

So, people like me? I'm content to just... not spend my money.

Maybe the Mandalorian will be fun.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Afternoon low-budget live-action Marvel and Star Wars direct-to-Disney TV movies will be the norm.

Low budget? You seen the budgets for Mandalorian? The budget for Hawkeye is going to be $200m.

They're not making low-budget stuff.

Oi, show some respect, that's Martin Scorsese you're talking to!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Afternoon low-budget live-action Marvel and Star Wars direct-to-Disney TV movies will be the norm.

Low budget? You seen the budgets for Mandalorian? The budget for Hawkeye is going to be $200m.

They're not making low-budget stuff.

Yet. That's the word you left off. Yet.

You seem to underestimate Disney's habit of "milking it dry of all that made it interesting and turning it into something cheap for a quick buck by parading its dead husk around in a mockery of its former glory".

At this rate, they'll have to do some significant mending and improvement to keep things afloat. And the superhero craze is slowly but steadily declining toward the end.

Remember, this is Disney. Some of us have been around long enough to know their routine.

Nice that you're optimistic, and the Mandalorian does look pretty decent... but I see Disney like that girl that many people warned you about, but you refused to listen. And she was a cheating hoe. And a clepto. And she had an STD. And cut you with a razor. And got a DUI and wrecked your car. And ruined your credit. And broke your stuff. And you've been dumped by her, but now she wants you back and you seem to think she's changed... while she stuffs your sunglasses into her purse while you're away...

Well the trailer looks like they're killing c3p0 and I for one am not looking forward to the hateful fun the trolls will have with that. I mean we all know that trolls have made fun of 3p0 for being "gay" for a long time now. So I can imagine the homophobic hate that will be spewed if the "gay droid" dies.

(And for the mods here try to grasp the idea that I amnot gay bashing here, I am slamming hateful trolls who do that and saying I don't like a scene that gives them ammunition to make more hateful troll memes. You guys clearly can't understand jokes, so maybe explaining what i'm doing here will help. )

As to the rest, I'm very sure the took a carefully concealed public opinion poll and market test to see what mainstream aw character couild be killed off with just the "right" balance of fan empathy against fan alienation.

I really think that star wars reflects what's wrong with modern Hollywood. A writer can't just write a good story anymore. I mean sure a writer can pour his passion, his skill, his heart and soul into a strory.

Then its taken to a room full of heartless, soulless creatures in suits who have no storytelling talent called a "market research department" that demand a plethora of changes to appeal to group x and not offend group y and to pacify group z.

Next it's taken to another group of creatures whose humanity is possibly open to question called a "merchandizing department" that demand a new cool vehicle or robot or weapon they can have toys of on the shelves in time for Christmas.

Naturally it must then be submitted to the review of the clearly inhuman "legal department" that demands ten thousand tiny changes for "legal reasons".

Oh, and of course finally it has to pass the Chinese governmental censorship board nowadays.

When star wars was made you could just make the best damn movie you could and let history decide if it was a great movie or not. Now people who wouldn't know creativity or anything else that can't be reduced to figures on a profit\loss column have dictatorial control over every character, word, image and idea in a movie...

That's why movies like star wars can't be made any more.

...that’s an...interesting...take on things.

But, you probably wouldn’t be in this thread if you didn’t still care...and hope!

You’ll be there in the end!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
If they told us, we might not go see it.

That's cute, but my point was that trailers generally give an idea of what the film is about.

Yeah I get it. I’m being serious. I don’t think they want to let us know what this film is about.

Which is a mistake on their part.

 Manchu wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
If they told us, we might not go see it.

That's cute, but my point was that trailers generally give an idea of what the film is about.

Yeah I get it. I’m being serious. I don’t think they want to let us know what this film is about.

I think you're reading too much into a Star Wars trailer. They've almost always been fairly vague on what the story was actually about, focusing instead on broad story brushstrokes and visuals.

This one tells us that the Resistance is rebuilding, Rey confronts Kylo again, and somehow or other they both wind up confronted by some version of Palpatine. That's more than enough information for a Part III movie trailer.

 Sobekta wrote:
Well the trailer looks like they're killing c3p0 and I for one am not looking forward to the hateful fun the trolls will have with that. I mean we all know that trolls have made fun of 3p0 for being "gay" for a long time now. So I can imagine the homophobic hate that will be spewed if the "gay droid" dies.

I mean, there's a bit of a trope about the whiny sissy dude, and C3PO is kind of that- which is kinda funny. As far as 'gay' goes, I'm not really sure. Now, R2 is the one that goes around shoving his droid probe into every socket he finds, that little slut...

 Sobekta wrote:
As to the rest, I'm very sure the took a carefully concealed public opinion poll and market test to see what mainstream aw character couild be killed off with just the "right" balance of fan empathy against fan alienation.

Well, so far they killed Han and Luke. I'm not shocked or particularly upset that they're killing Threepio... its just more like, "Well, at this point they would, I guess. Why not?" Because there seems to be a theme of "that old thing you like needs to die and go away" through the movies, and I guess they may as well. Hell, let's just shave the damned Wookie and wreck the Falcon while we're at it. Why not?

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 Sobekta wrote:
really think that star wars reflects what's wrong with modern Hollywood. A writer can't just write a good story anymore. I mean sure a writer can pour his passion, his skill, his heart and soul into a strory.

I know how you feel here. I have always been a big horror fan. And that genre is suffering. Badly.

After "Scary pale chick with long dark hair doing weird stuff" movie #1034049, sometimes they change it up with some good old fashioned gore/torture porn. Boy, let me tell you I certainly say "how chilling, my goodness" when I see some horrid sexual mutilation/torture gore, I tell you what. Haunting, I say.

Sarcasm aside, it's like there's a basket of cheap tropes and they just say "screw it, I got nothin', grab one outta the basket" and just go with it. 'Noble Sacrifice of a fan favorite staple of the series' must have been in there quite a few times... and I guess they don't realize that doing something 'shocking' stops having an effect when you do it over and over again.

 Sobekta wrote:
Oh, and of course finally it has to pass the Chinese governmental censorship board nowadays.

"You gotta lower your ideals of freedom if you wanna suck on the warm teat of China."

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
... and wreck the Falcon while we're at it.

Well part of killing han and Luke was likely due to aging actor syndrome. It might have been better to kill the characters than best caught in a situation like the one with Carrie Fischer, see?

Also, in a sw movie a guy who dies isn't always dead, see? Force ghost time.

The issue you cited with horror movies goes to my bit about all these departments determining the story, not a good writer.

I'm with you on Hollywood bowing to china, it makes me sick.

I couldn't help noticing Jar Jar Abrams foul presence in the trailer. The scene of star destroyer rising slowly, dramatically out of the sea struck a sick cord in me as i recalled the times he used the same scene in his cinematic abominations thst were relased with the words "star trek" plastered on them...

In truth, I kind of want to see what happens with the Mandalorian.

My 'here is your last chance' offer for Disney is this: "Do something Star Wars and stay the Hell away from the classic trilogy canon".

It's literally an open sandbox to them, they erased all the Expanded Universe- so it's Free Real Estate. Do something with it. No need to "kill the past" by just killing off everyone's favorite characters to make some weird point about how what we love needs to go away. No need to get combative with fans that hate how you made something that directly contradicts what was shown before. No reason to try and make loose connections for nostalgia and hope that's enough for people to think it's 'real Star Wars'. It's a whole opportunity to write something original, with none of those restrictions or concerns.

If they can manage that, there's possibly hope for Star Wars in the future. And it's an open book, they just gotta make it work with good, fun stories that can stand on their own- which means they'll have to look at this more recent trilogy and say, "Okay, let's not do this again" and lock Turnip-head and Jar-Jar Abrams out of the process completely.

If you want to see a really good SW story, forget the sequel movies and read the "heir to the empire" trilogy bye Timothy zhan.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Which is a mistake on their part.

I suppose. But consider if hiding the ball is actually their best option.

I want them to do something new with the story, and if that means we get a firefly story in the star wars universe I am all in honestly.

Hell cast nathan fillion in charge of a random freighter or maybe Alan Tudyk finally gets a TV Show or movie where he isn't some disembowled baby robot or creature... please...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Still not a clue as to what this movie was about. Normally big movies get one "story" trailer to at least give the basic premise. We know nothing about this.

Anyway, I'm curious about this because it'll be the first time JJ has had to end something. That alone will be worth the price of admission.

Hah, you wish. He will not tie up anything. I predicted earlier that EpIX will end with some kind of cliffhanger. They even say in the trailer, "The story lives forever".

Forever.

Something new with star wars? How about ending slavery for droids? I think it's pretty obvious droids would pass a turning test. They seem to even have personalities, they can function as independent beings. So what about them declaring a separate state and establishing a republic of their own?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
If they told us, we might not go see it.

That's cute, but my point was that trailers generally give an idea of what the film is about. Teaser is just that, teaser, then you get two more trailers. One is wizz-bang money shots using some newly completed FX to get people excited, and maybe hit on some character beats, and the second should give some indication of the story.

These trailers have both been the former. We're still in the dark about any element of the narrative other than "Rey will probably be awesome at everything she does without needing to try or be trained or anything".

Well there are vague rumours - reliability unknown - that they're actually still reshooting and cutting and doing test screenings for the film with different endings, so it may be that the reason the trailers don't tell us anything about the story is they still haven't managed to nail down exactly what the story is yet even a couple of months out from release.

 LunarSol wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Looks pretty forgettable, which is not at all surprising considering this is coming from the same guy that gave us An Even Newer Hope. Dragging Palpatine out of the grave is a huge indicator of how creatively bankrupt the people running this franchise are.

EU would never have stooped to such nonsense....

Say what you like about TLJ, it didn't have a cyborg with lightsabers in his knees.

 Manchu wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
If they told us, we might not go see it.

That's cute, but my point was that trailers generally give an idea of what the film is about.

Yeah I get it. I’m being serious. I don’t think they want to let us know what this film is about.

It's quite refreshing to have trailers that don't give away the whole story and every plot twist.

I'll check it out, because it looks fun. Then make sure to stay away from Dakka for a while afterwards.

 Alpharius wrote:
...that’s an...interesting...take on things.

But, you probably wouldn’t be in this thread if you didn’t still care...and hope!

You’ll be there in the end!

Alphy is more right then wrong.

 Elemental wrote:
It's quite refreshing to have trailers that don't give away the whole story and every plot twist.

Which isn't what Manchu (or I, for that matter) were saying at all.

There's a difference between a trailer that shows you the whole movie, and a trailer that tells you what the film is actually about.

I found this quite interesting and could very well be true, especially if people continue to "boycott" these movies.



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Do they typically do that kind of thing for Star Wars movies though? The OT trailers didn't really stop and explain the premise (ANH's trailer sold it on tie fighters and gunfights), and of the Prequels only AotC's really did the 'cut dialogue together to prime us on the plot' thing, while the other two only really pushed the fact that this was the beginning of star wars.

Continuing that, the sequel trailers have all been very deliberate about not giving away the plot - or even misdirecting, surely at least some of us here were among the people who were convinced Finn was going to be a Jedi right up until actually seeing it?

In fact, the only one I think really bothered to explain its premise was Rogue One, which they kind of had to.