New SM Codex points changes and Non-Codex Marines

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**tneva82**

A.T. wrote:
Galef wrote:
In order to fix this grievous oversight, Chapter Approved needs to either:
A) Reduce basic Marines in all those books to 11ppm (maybe even 10ppm) or
B) Reduce basic Marines to 12ppm and give those books Combat Doctrines
GW really need to double the cost of everything in order to give themselves some space to move without everything being a race to the bottom.

Oh yeah! Hell even trippling could work. It's getting ridiculously hard to finetune costs. But maybe GW is affraid players find dealing with 6000 pts armies too hard math. Too large numbers!

**SeanDrake**

Yeah but if were doing what's best for the game where do you stop I mean personally at this point I would kill off the orks and spikey marines totally can you imagine without the Waaaahh and the the long whine the salt levels on the entire internet would drop dramatically and by upto 80% for hobby related forums.

**Nightlord1987**

Combat doctrines could easily be wolfy.
Blood Angel's doctrines would be blood rage rising fury fang.

Dark Angel's would have um... Layers, like onions. They love circles. Lion was one if the most noted Tactician amongst primarchs, his only redeeming quality.

Basically Doctrines by any other name.

Its GW. They love names.

**fraser1191**

Wolf doctrines

**BrianDavion**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Huh. If you filter out the fluff and pages upon pages of pictures, and just focus on stat sheets...

You can put every Space Marine variant, every unit, and every rule in a book the size of the standard SM Codex and still have room to do some fluff on each of them.

Maybe GW should do that, and if people want more fluff- they could do something like 'recommended reading' for BL novels for each of the factions.

or maybe GW can just sell cheapo versions of the codex with ONLY the data sheets/rules in electronic format call it the "compeitive essentials document" or something and knock ten bucks off the price

**The Newman**

Or being GW they can announce a whole new set of Marine sub-codexes for Chaos.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/02/new-reveals-chaos-sororitas-tanks-and-moregw-homepage-post-1/

**BrianDavion**

The Newman wrote:
Or being GW they can announce a whole new set of Marine sub-codexes for Chaos.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/02/new-reveals-chaos-sororitas-tanks-and-moregw-homepage-post-1/

err thats not what they announced

"his tome will see the Psychic Awakening’s effects begin to take hold in the Imperium, as the Emperor’s most faithful warriors go head to head with the Heretic Astartes. What’s more, the book will include codex supplement-tier content for the Black Templars, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, World Eaters, Emperor’s Children, Iron Warriors and Word Bearers."

**ThatMG**

INB4 CA2019 puts Nomi-Marines to 15 PPM.

Cause you know buy more primaris....

oh crys from the background chaos player right, well CSM suck so buy more cultists.

**Daedalus81**

ThatMG wrote:
INB4 CA2019 puts Nomi-Marines to 15 PPM.

Cause you know buy more primaris....

oh crys from the background chaos player right, well CSM suck so buy more cultists.

You do realize they deliberately kicked old marines to 12 points in the new book, right?

**BrianDavion**

Daedalus81 wrote:
ThatMG wrote:
INB4 CA2019 puts Nomi-Marines to 15 PPM.

Cause you know buy more primaris....

oh crys from the background chaos player right, well CSM suck so buy more cultists.

You do realize they deliberately kicked old marines to 12 points in the new book, right?

shhh, don't let facts get in the way of his chicken little over reaction!

**Karol**

BrianDavion wrote:
The Newman wrote:
Or being GW they can announce a whole new set of Marine sub-codexes for Chaos.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/02/new-reveals-chaos-sororitas-tanks-and-moregw-homepage-post-1/

err thats not what they announced

"his tome will see the Psychic Awakening’s effects begin to take hold in the Imperium, as the Emperor’s most faithful warriors go head to head with the Heretic Astartes. What’s more, the book will include codex supplement-tier content for the Black Templars, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, World Eaters, Emperor’s Children, Iron Warriors and Word Bearers."

I wonder how a few hundrad black templars, or less, are going to deal with 6 legions of chaos space marines.

**BrianDavion**

Karol wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
The Newman wrote:
Or being GW they can announce a whole new set of Marine sub-codexes for Chaos.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/02/new-reveals-chaos-sororitas-tanks-and-moregw-homepage-post-1/

err thats not what they announced

"his tome will see the Psychic Awakening’s effects begin to take hold in the Imperium, as the Emperor’s most faithful warriors go head to head with the Heretic Astartes. What’s more, the book will include codex supplement-tier content for the Black Templars, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, World Eaters, Emperor’s Children, Iron Warriors and Word Bearers."

I wonder how a few hundrad black templars, or less, are going to deal with 6 legions of chaos space marines.

1: they're proably not going to be alone, but if the Ultramarines are present why would they need ultramarine faction rules?
2: I sincerly doubt it'll be 6 full legions, it'll be warbands associated with each legion.
3: it might not be a single battle but rather a lengthly crusade that sees them face severla warbands at differing times

**Mr Morden**

Karol wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
The Newman wrote:
Or being GW they can announce a whole new set of Marine sub-codexes for Chaos.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/02/new-reveals-chaos-sororitas-tanks-and-moregw-homepage-post-1/

err thats not what they announced

"his tome will see the Psychic Awakening’s effects begin to take hold in the Imperium, as the Emperor’s most faithful warriors go head to head with the Heretic Astartes. What’s more, the book will include codex supplement-tier content for the Black Templars, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, World Eaters, Emperor’s Children, Iron Warriors and Word Bearers."

I wonder how a few hundrad black templars, or less, are going to deal with 6 legions of chaos space marines.

They have Faith - and the Sisters of Battle

**BrianDavion**

Mr Morden wrote:
Karol wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
The Newman wrote:
Or being GW they can announce a whole new set of Marine sub-codexes for Chaos.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/02/new-reveals-chaos-sororitas-tanks-and-moregw-homepage-post-1/

err thats not what they announced

"his tome will see the Psychic Awakening’s effects begin to take hold in the Imperium, as the Emperor’s most faithful warriors go head to head with the Heretic Astartes. What’s more, the book will include codex supplement-tier content for the Black Templars, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, World Eaters, Emperor’s Children, Iron Warriors and Word Bearers."

I wonder how a few hundrad black templars, or less, are going to deal with 6 legions of chaos space marines.

They have Faith - and the Sisters of Battle

and proably a few thousand guardsmen, I mean nobody really CARES about the guard eneugh to even mention their presence in all but the most off handed way, but they make conveniant bullet sponges

**Gadzilla666**

Karol wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
The Newman wrote:
Or being GW they can announce a whole new set of Marine sub-codexes for Chaos.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/02/new-reveals-chaos-sororitas-tanks-and-moregw-homepage-post-1/

err thats not what they announced

"his tome will see the Psychic Awakening’s effects begin to take hold in the Imperium, as the Emperor’s most faithful warriors go head to head with the Heretic Astartes. What’s more, the book will include codex supplement-tier content for the Black Templars, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, World Eaters, Emperor’s Children, Iron Warriors and Word Bearers."

I wonder how a few hundrad black templars, or less, are going to deal with 6 legions of chaos space marines.

Plot armour. Lots of plot armour.

And better rules of course.

**AlmightyWalrus**

For all we know it could be a couple of thousand Black Templars supporting who knows how many Sisters of Battle and Imperial Guard.

**Not Online!!!**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
For all we know it could be a couple of thousand Black Templars supporting who knows how many Sisters of Battle and Imperial Guard.

Also a lot of the legions in question are shattered.

AL are anyways more cell like organized.

WB would probably be out in force though.Probably.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Plus, if it's a space engagement then the Eternal Crusader counts for a whole lot. Abaddon had to actually try hard to break through the Black Templars when the first Black Crusade was launched (and almost died doing it), and while Sigismund isn't around this time there's the potential for a lot of Imperial Navy ships, unlike that time.