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2019/11/15 22:07:39
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Charging Wild Rider
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Simply don't know what to think of this news.
If they are to bring it back, all of it, a largely unchanged version of it... why get rid of it in the first place?
If it's going to be very different... there is little reason to get care.
Had AoS been more akin to what it appeared to want to be (with Sigmarines, steampunk Dwarfs, Fishelves) - a very distinct setting and style - there would be more of a place for WHFB Episode II: The Clone War(hammer)s. Having units shared between the settings, or indeed factions partially shared (bits of the Daughters of Khaine? Some Chaos guys, but not the new Chaos Warriors who largely look like the same old Chaos Warriors, because they would be a pain to rank up?) seems very messy. Will they just get rid of the Cities of Sigmar closer the time and port them back to the Old World, where they belong and actually fit? Why were so many kits removed from the range so recently if they are to be brought back relatively soon? And if the won't return, why not (if they are recent, good quality sculpts)?
If WHFB is to return, I certainly can't see FW play a major role. Even dedicated fans of the setting will struggle to bring themselves to purchase several blocks of 50 resin soldiers.
As for the success of Total War, the timeframe doesn't seem ideal to be honest. I'm sure the popularity and free advertisement was a factor, but several years from now we would be at the tail end of the third and final part of the series. There might be some late DLCs (there have been for other games), but the right time to relaunch WHFB would certainly be close to the release of Warhammer: Total War 3, which would be quite soon.
Argh. I'm just confused. More so now than after the "square bases" teaser.
Can't say I'm excited. Nor necessarily dreading them screwing it up one way or another (I mean, they royally did that during the End Times and the aftermath already). There is some unresolved bitterness. Some eagerness to at least complete collections if old sets come back into production. Some fragments of all kinds of emotions.
But mostly confusion.
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2019/11/15 22:12:22
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Fiery Bright Wizard
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I am intrigued by this, the old world had some great lore and visuals. I am a bit baffled though, I didn't see this coming. Maybe this time we'll get chaos dwarfs in plastic (one can dream).
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2019/11/15 22:13:46
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I can’t see how the prospects of spending 120 bucks to field a unit of 20 dudes is exciting to people. I mean what’s changed here?
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2019/11/15 22:14:07
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Terrifying Doombull
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Coenus Scaldingus wrote:Simply don't know what to think of this news.
If they are to bring it back, all of it, a largely unchanged version of it... why get rid of it in the first place?
Different market circumstances, different production circumstances (they supposedly had a bottleneck problem due to the local power grid and/or their infrastructure), different business strategies.
Sometimes what seems a great idea on paper to one management team seems like a mistake to another one. If they feel there is a market for Oldhammer that they can meet for less production/costs, then why not do it? Especially if they can spin it as listening to customers and make gold and good will out of straw?
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2019/11/15 22:16:59
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Im not really sure how I feel.
Do you like how AoS plays but love the fluff of the Old World? Use those things together, with some added headcanon to interject the new AoS races (Dwarven airships? Must be a bunch of Engineers taking the field! Undersea elves? Must be a Dark Elf thing).
Do you love rank and file and also the Old World fluff? Then just use Kings of War as a ruleset but set your games in the Old World, seeing as KoW has all the Old World factions available.
I'm all for so e new "official" GW productions for stuff in the Old World, but the mechanical methods to play games there exist all over the place, and in much better ways, in some cases and also in many opinions.
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2019/11/15 22:19:48
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Battleship Captain
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Thargrim wrote:I am intrigued by this, the old world had some great lore and visuals. I am a bit baffled though, I didn't see this coming. Maybe this time we'll get chaos dwarfs in plastic (one can dream).
It was always coming one way or another. GW would have had to make something based on WHFB and the Old World every ten years or so or they'd lose their rights over the setting. It's just much sooner than I expected.
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2019/11/15 22:23:44
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Dread Master wrote:I can’t see how the prospects of spending 120 bucks to field a unit of 20 dudes is exciting to people. I mean what’s changed here?
Their plastic production capabilities perhaps, with the easy to build start collecting sets appearing - you could probably get bulk sets of simpler models on the same sprues as something with more options to have a slightly larger set.
Also it could be something more akin to Warhammer apocalpyse - with giant armies in tight ranks.
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2019/11/15 22:29:34
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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If they do change old base sizes to new ones, they will almost certainly be larger than before, no? Meaning, that if you have them on old squares, or newer circle ones, you will likely be able to make or get a movement tray that will change them over.
Come to think of it, geometrically, even if the circle goes to a smaller square shouldn't there be a way to "rank" circles of that are a close a size to squares where (at least) the frontage would be very nearly identical by staggering them? I left my math hat at home today, but it seems plausible off the top of my head.
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2019/11/15 22:33:57
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Just design a game where they are plugged into unit bases like War of the Ring or Game of Thrones. Simple.
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should." |
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2019/11/15 22:34:04
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran
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At least my Ogres don't need to go around worshiping Gorkamorka like they are now. Plus they didn't even get any similar keywords for it!
It always was about the Great Maw!
One happy takeaway from it all.
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2019/11/15 22:36:10
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Legendary Dogfighter
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On the one hand yay the old world lives, on the other GW don't really have anything to tell us.
This isn't something they have been working on, this is something they decided to do last week and have draw a logo for. They haven't made any plans as to what this is going to be.
On the other hand in a couple of years time I might get new high elf / lizard men etc models. Or even a new game worth playing.
In the mean time can they at least start selling square bases again, they are getting hard to source.
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2019/11/15 22:40:31
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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They haven't made any plans as to what this is going to be.
You really think this wasn't backed and vetted by a horde of marketing and accounting vampires?
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2019/11/15 22:49:56
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Clousseau
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AegisGrimm wrote:Im not really sure how I feel.
Do you like how AoS plays but love the fluff of the Old World? Use those things together, with some added headcanon to interject the new AoS races (Dwarven airships? Must be a bunch of Engineers taking the field! Undersea elves? Must be a Dark Elf thing).
Do you love rank and file and also the Old World fluff? Then just use Kings of War as a ruleset but set your games in the Old World, seeing as KoW has all the Old World factions available.
I'm all for so e new "official" GW productions for stuff in the Old World, but the mechanical methods to play games there exist all over the place, and in much better ways, in some cases and also in many opinions.
Getting people to play non gw games is biblically hard. Getting people in on a gw ruleset is easy. That alone answers why im happy to get an official game back that i can enjoy.
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2019/11/15 22:53:40
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Fiery Bright Wizard
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Sim-Life wrote: Thargrim wrote:I am intrigued by this, the old world had some great lore and visuals. I am a bit baffled though, I didn't see this coming. Maybe this time we'll get chaos dwarfs in plastic (one can dream).
It was always coming one way or another. GW would have had to make something based on WHFB and the Old World every ten years or so or they'd lose their rights over the setting. It's just much sooner than I expected.
Well I kinda knew they would return to the old world as a setting, but not necessarily square bases and regiments coming back. I figured specialist games would put out a Mordheim reboot, or a similar type of game set in the old world.
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2019/11/15 22:54:39
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Thinking of Joining a Davinite Loge
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Coenus Scaldingus wrote:Simply don't know what to think of this news.
If they are to bring it back, all of it, a largely unchanged version of it... why get rid of it in the first place?
That was the choice of the old regime, this is the choice of the new regime. Trust, from friends who work at Head Office, Games Workshop has completely revitalised itself internally.
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2019/11/15 22:57:11
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Gangly Grot Rebel
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Tamereth wrote:
In the mean time can they at least start selling square bases again, they are getting hard to source.
China sell plastic bases for pennies. Places like warlords, Kromlech etc. sell bases with a slight mark up.
Square bases are pretty easy to source. GW will make it easier to get them again, but expect a huge mark up, even to what they were before they were dropped.
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2019/11/15 22:59:38
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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auticus wrote:Getting people to play non gw games is biblically hard. Getting people in on a gw ruleset is easy. That alone answers why im happy to get an official game back that i can enjoy.
*deeeeep sigh*
Yea, there's the rub right there. The success of 40k APOC in ironing out a lot of the drek from 40k had me hoping WHFB APOC could do it for AOS, but I'm less convinced that's what's happening here. Smells a lot like Oldhammer repackage, and that's well and truly too funky for me.
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2019/11/15 23:01:39
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Infiltrating Prowler
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Yay, old world is back? This is all hope and dreams for people cheering it on. Fluff wise, will they still be cheering when the new stories, units, and characters come out? I remember the complaints with just Gryph Knights showing up for Empire. I was glad that AoS was able to allow new armies to show up that had nothing to do with the Old World. Kharadron Overlords is the best example of an AoS army freed from the fluff constraints of the Old World.
As for rules, remember the 7th to 8th edition change? Both were RnF Warhammer, but I remember the insults being hurled at the people who liked 8th over 7th. Will people still be cheering if the rules take the worst of 8th and mix it in with a new rule set? My hope for the rules is that by the time this is in it's final stages JJ is long retired
My personal hope for this is that it is more akin to what Warhammer Forge was originally pitched as. Figures, rules, and fluff from specific periods of Old World Lore. Remember there was meant to be a Battle of Black Fire Pass book? I hope for releases like that. But if anything, I also expect most troops to be on new 28mm square bases
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2019/11/15 23:02:30
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Soo...KoW did well enough for GW to jump at this?
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2019/11/15 23:08:59
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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I cant really get exited by this. I was sad when they blew up the Old World, but I've gotten over it ages ago and AOS setting is finally getting interesting. Dividing resources and playerbase this way doesn't seem wise. They should have just reintroduced Old World elements into AOS, hell, there could be even an exact copy of the Old World sitting on the corner of one of the realms!
Nor am I interested ranking up models again. That's just unnecessary bs. I want to be able to freely pose my models and I want them to be visible instead of being hidden behind ranks of identically posed dudes. If there is some block combat system I hope it works via trays upon which you can place your round-base models in a loose formation.
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2019/11/15 23:15:59
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Stonecold Gimster
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Oh... joy...
Boxes of 10 plastic infantry for £25+
And we'll need them in blocks of 50 for 1 unit.
Ah... the excitement of the old world again.
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2019/11/15 23:40:35
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Crimson wrote:I cant really get exited by this. I was sad when they blew up the Old World, but I've gotten over it ages ago and AOS setting is finally getting interesting. Dividing resources and playerbase this way doesn't seem wise. They should have just reintroduced Old World elements into AOS, hell, there could be even an exact copy of the Old World sitting on the corner of one of the realms!
Nor am I interested ranking up models again. That's just unnecessary bs. I want to be able to freely pose my models and I want them to be visible instead of being hidden behind ranks of identically posed dudes. If there is some block combat system I hope it works via trays upon which you can place your round-base models in a loose formation.
Honestly, you might not be the target market. I suspect this is GW trying to dominate in multiple segments of the market.
It will, however, get someone like me to buy GW fantasy again. I dislike almost everything about AOS (background and aesthetics, rules aren't important to me), so I'm very much looking forward to seeing the results.
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2019/11/15 23:45:00
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Been Around the Block
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I wonder if they will upscale base sizes for those new square bases?
I really hope they stick with 20mm, 25mm, and 40mm.
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2019/11/15 23:47:44
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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I honestly dont think AOS rules and setting is going nowhere its the 40k of fantasy. It would be nice game and product for those that care about WHFB old world but don't care for AOS. Cant speak for everyone but im sure nobody is begrudging AOS. I just dotn care for it. I have nothing against people playing AOS or preferring it etc. Why would I? WHFB crowd understands what it means to have their world and setting killed off/not existing so would they want it for AOS? I think not. they just don't care about it. And would ideally want nothing to do with it.
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2019/11/15 23:48:04
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I wonder if this is due to that survey from months ago. I can't imagine how many suggestions were "Revive Fantasy" and "Bring back the Old World"? Come to think of it, I doubt we'll ever know what new models and changes came directly from that survey.
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2019/11/15 23:52:12
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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Damn, I was quite enjoying getting into the new setting, crazy realms and all chaos everywhere.. Reminds me of the mortal kombat world's, and distinguishes it from the usual elves orcs and humans fantasy setting.
Dont get me wrong, I like the old setting, but I enjoyed the revamp.
I guess it will be interesting to see where they take this.
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2019/11/15 23:54:05
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Eternally-Stimulated Slaanesh Dreadnought
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Gimgamgoo wrote:Oh... joy...
Boxes of 10 plastic infantry for £25+
And we'll need them in blocks of 50 for 1 unit.
Ah... the excitement of the old world again.
See that's the thing, price point is going to be important for something like this.
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2019/11/15 23:54:59
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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Man I just hope they don't mess with scale. I Have a whole OOP HE army ready to be built and painted lol
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2019/11/15 23:55:31
Subject: Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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GaroRobe wrote:I wonder if this is due to that survey from months ago. I can't imagine how many suggestions were "Revive Fantasy" and "Bring back the Old World"? Come to think of it, I doubt we'll ever know what new models and changes came directly from that survey. If that's the case, then I feel honored that GW took my feedback into consideration. Maybe we'll see Pariahs and Mega Armored Warbosses next!
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2019/11/15 23:58:28
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!?
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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shinros wrote: Gimgamgoo wrote:Oh... joy...
Boxes of 10 plastic infantry for £25+
And we'll need them in blocks of 50 for 1 unit.
Ah... the excitement of the old world again.
See that's the thing, price point is going to be important for something like this.
Why? AOS and all the specialist games warcry etc are available.
If you want R&F style of game, then that just means a lot of dudes unfortunately, it is what it is. It's part of the package..
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