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I'm so glad they clarified the scale and square bases. We knew that it was going to be like and yet a shocking amount of people in this very thread were trying to say it was smaller scale.

I'd like to momentarily take this opportunity to say haha .

It's a slow moving hype train but I'm still on it, especially this added statement about using old armies. They know fine well I'll piss money up the wall at this and I'm fine with it.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

There's still a chance for LotR style square tray converters for round bases, although I'd be surprised if GW went with KoW levels of abstraction needed when the bases are 32mm and you only fit like 5 dudes on a Regiment tray.

I really hope there will be some way to play with round bases. Having to base models differently for AOS and Old World seems like a terrible idea to me; a lot of people rebased their old armies for AOS, and might not be thrilled to do that again. And of course people will want to use some models in both system. Square movement trays for round bases seems like a fine idea to me.

 Crimson wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

There's still a chance for LotR style square tray converters for round bases, although I'd be surprised if GW went with KoW levels of abstraction needed when the bases are 32mm and you only fit like 5 dudes on a Regiment tray.

I really hope there will be some way to play with round bases. Having to base models differently for AOS and Old World seems like a terrible idea to me; a lot of people rebased their old armies for AOS, and might not be thrilled to do that again. And of course people will want to use some models in both system. Square movement trays for round bases seems like a fine idea to me.

Yeah. This seems to be a misplay by GW, unless they are planning on excluding some of those armies from coming back (example, Ogre Kingdoms are staying Ogors in AoS, will not be in army in TOW though you might be able to take a unit of Ogre mercs).

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's the one thing heavily implied, via cheeky wording, since day one. Having 100% confirmation is a different story.

They kept insinuating that this was not an attempt to "fragment" the player base. This is going to fragment it, hard.

There's still a chance for LotR style square tray converters for round bases, although I'd be surprised if GW went with KoW levels of abstraction needed when the bases are 32mm and you only fit like 5 dudes on a Regiment tray.

But I was very confident in there being a scale change, so clearly I have no clue where GW is going with this project.

The scale change will probably be the usual subtle upscaling. A lot of WHFB stuff was/is 25mm, so anything new is probably going to look enormous by comparison, be that State Troops or High Elf Spearmen. I'd be surprised if the scale on the new stuff isn't closer to 32mm.

I'm curious how mix-n-matching will work. I hope they avoid the traps like 5-size charge-redirect wolves but eh, we'll see.

Half-orcs!!

Is that a first reference to them since the very early editions of whfb?

10mm scale was Warmaster I guess. 15mm...GW never did that, right?

I am intrigued by the mention of 'Half Orcs' whatever those might be. I wonder how that would work though, don't WHFB Orcs reproduce through spores as well, kinda like that 40k counterparts?

 Malika2 wrote:
10mm scale was Warmaster I guess. 15mm...GW never did that, right?

I am intrigued by the mention of 'Half Orcs' whatever those might be. I wonder how that would work though, don't WHFB Orcs reproduce through spores as well, kinda like that 40k counterparts?

Correct on all counts AFAIK. Re half orcs maybe older lore they didn't sporify?

I don't think it was ever expressly stated for WHFB, by the time Gorkamorka came about with spores 40k and Fantasy were separate universes except for fn theories of warp connecting them.

They even mention Hobhounds (3rd Edition nostalgia..) !

 streetsamurai wrote:
Half-orcs!!

Is that a first reference to them since the very early editions of whfb?

I raised my eyebrow at that. Orcs are fungi so how would that work? Or is that just a 40K thing and fatasy orcs are normal mammals?

Not a lot of info in that article, but at.least it clarified two of the biggest questions people had.

I really wonder how many armies this game will have at launch. Hope it's at least 6

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
And I'm out. No interest in going back to square bases.

Uh... what... what did you think this was going to be? That was literally the one thing we knew from day 1.

Yeah it was their very first marketing photo with a square base on it



And their answers are spot on what I expected from them - same scale, same bases etc.... Of course "scale creep" might well still happen but it means GW is still aiming for that 28-35mm bracket

 Crimson wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Half-orcs!!

Is that a first reference to them since the very early editions of whfb?

I raised my eyebrow at that. Orcs are fungi so how would that work? Or is that just a 40K thing and fatasy orcs are normal mammals?

I don't think the spore thing was ever used in whfb

I would guess 2 launch armies - Empire and other Empire. Compendiums or something for legacy armies releases a couple weeks later, and then Kislev 3 months later.

If they are emulating Horus Heresy at all then the launch box is going to be two opposing armies of the same race/faction

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Half-orcs!!

Is that a first reference to them since the very early editions of whfb?

I raised my eyebrow at that. Orcs are fungi so how would that work? Or is that just a 40K thing and fatasy orcs are normal mammals?

I don't think the spore thing was ever used in whfb

It was briefly mentioned in the 8th ed BRB, iirc. Talked about how the Old Ones brought Greenskin spores to the world by accident on their starships.
I think it was also mentioned in the 7th ed book but I'm not sure. I do know 8th ed talked about it though.

 Overread wrote:



And their answers are spot on what I expected from them - same scale, same bases etc.... Of course "scale creep" might well still happen but it means GW is still aiming for that 28-35mm bracket

yeah, if some of the recent AoS releases are anything to go by then the new minis will be visually incomapatible with the old ones, but I also know that theres a bunch of grogs out there that will show up with their freshly dusted off 6th edition army and insist on using them as is, even if their empire humans are dwarf-sized by comparison.

chaos0xomega wrote:

What? No! What madness is that?! The scale will remain the same as it ever was. We want people to be able to use their old armies if they wish, or to start new ones, or to add new miniatures to old armies – whatever they want.

Boo. Hiss. What if my old army was 10mm scale? DO the nubs at WarCom even know about Warmaster?

so keeping 28mm for new models or standard AoS 32mm models for new releases, or even going back to 3rd Edi 25mm?

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's the one thing heavily implied, via cheeky wording, since day one. Having 100% confirmation is a different story.

They kept insinuating that this was not an attempt to "fragment" the player base. This is going to fragment it, hard.

Why? WHFB players are now playing 9th Age, so they are a different "fragment" already.

This is the best piece of news we could've ever received regarding TOW. Basically WHFB is back on the menu.

Cronch wrote:
I don't think it was ever expressly stated for WHFB, by the time Gorkamorka came about with spores 40k and Fantasy were separate universes except for fn theories of warp connecting them.

Indeed this, I have never seen a mention anywhere of spores from fantasy lore. Just conversation bringing it from 40k.
So safe bet it’s not the case.



Bases and scale exactly as I thought. I know everyone had their theories but I still hold by there was no way it was ever not going to be brought back to be a new thing but also cater to the old Fantasy players.
Glad it’s confirmed so we don’t need to discuss anymore. Normal scale. Normal square bases.

As to people saying I wonder if rounds can be used. Even if not GW, others will make the movement trays that can rank up rounds well I’d assume.

This feels like a slow hype train leading to an eventual cliff of low sales. Then idiots on Youtube can talk about why The Old World failed for six months.

I'm just not seeing the mass appeal of Warcrafted/video gamey new Warhammer models in a setting they long ago Flanderized to death. The cost will be prohibitively expensive, the rules will still be years behind other options, and Total War players probably aren't going to see the appeal of going from a $60 game to a $600 army. I'm just not seeing this working out right now.

The appeal is there, nostalgia is a powerful marketing tool.

My prediction, now that we know it's on squared bases, same scale, no silly names, and so on: TOW will eclipse AoS in terms of popularity and sales. Easily.

Also you can use round bases in rank and file games - you just need round slots on your movement tray. So you can 100% use armies for both if you want, just base them on round and then use a movement tray. Basically anything that isn't a monster will be on a movement tray any way and monsters you can make some little customer round to square bases for them as well.

A few people did them in the old days with Chaos Demons since they appeared in 40K (round) and Old World (Square)

 kodos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

What? No! What madness is that?! The scale will remain the same as it ever was. We want people to be able to use their old armies if they wish, or to start new ones, or to add new miniatures to old armies – whatever they want.

Boo. Hiss. What if my old army was 10mm scale? DO the nubs at WarCom even know about Warmaster?

so keeping 28mm for new models or standard AoS 32mm models for new releases, or even going back to 3rd Edi 25mm?

lol, the scale debate continues, just within a different range of values

I can't seem them *not* producing the minis in AoS scale (32 or whatever it is). I would be surprised if it was old school 25/28mm, though a literal read of their answer implies that it would be - of course thats do to the fact that GW doesn't officially acknowledge that the scale has ever changed.

 Aenar wrote:
Basically WHFB is back on the menu.

This isn't Lord of the Rings and WHFB is not meat.

My prediction, now that we know it's on squared bases, same scale, no silly names, and so on: TOW will eclipse AoS in terms of popularity and sales. Easily.

#doubt.

Indications are that TOW is getting the same support as Adeptus Titanicus and Necromunda. For TOW to eclipse AoS in popularity and sales would require TOW to have enough a large enough product range and frequent enough releases for people to spend their money at that same frequency and volume, and that just does not seem to be in the cards.

I dont know why people thought the game would be 10mm-15mm to begin with anyway. GW will not produce a wargame like this without the ability to potentially have minis cross over, if not as whole units, but as potential conversion. having their minis the same scale across all games mean more sales.

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
I dont know why people thought the game would be 10mm-15mm to begin with anyway. GW will not produce a wargame like this without the ability to potentially have minis cross over, if not as whole units, but as potential conversion. having their minis the same scale across all games mean more sales.

*Stares at you in Adeptus Titanicus and Aeronautica Imperialis.*

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
I dont know why people thought the game would be 10mm-15mm to begin with anyway. GW will not produce a wargame like this without the ability to potentially have minis cross over, if not as whole units, but as potential conversion. having their minis the same scale across all games mean more sales.

*Stares at you in Adeptus Titanicus and Aeronautica Imperialis.*

Oh let's open that can of worms shall we?

The Titanicus and Aeronautica models seem to be "1/4th of 40k" (whatever that might be). But looking at the models they seem to work just fine with 6mm scaled humans. Note that the original Titans and aircraft were closer to 3mm scale. The Forgeworld aircraft were more akin to "1/5th of 40k" whilst tanks generally were all over the place.

 Malika2 wrote:
10mm scale was Warmaster I guess. 15mm...GW never did that, right?

I am intrigued by the mention of 'Half Orcs' whatever those might be. I wonder how that would work though, don't WHFB Orcs reproduce through spores as well, kinda like that 40k counterparts?

Wasn't battle of five armies 15mm?

I really hope that they don't retain Steadfast and the Test or Lose Your Entire Regiment spells from 8th ed. Those were stupid rules.

chaos0xomega wrote:

*Stares at you in Adeptus Titanicus and Aeronautica Imperialis.*

Those games had existed previously. At worst they are the exceptions that prove the rule.