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They always said it was a long way off and they were showing us very early preview content (I mean it was just sketch art and a map).

I was fully expecting late 2023-into 24. Just like with anything, more time gives them the best chance at creating something that is actually good and lasts, I'm ok with it.

RazorEdge wrote:
Admiral SKK / Mikhael on Reddit:

Spoiler:

While I don't trust the source, they certainly could do this. Selling expensive books, having some months with Made to Order stuff and then starting TOW while declaring the army lists 'Warhammer Legends'.

RazorEdge wrote:

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
I just can't imagine GW selling a book with rules for minis they haven't been selling nor producing for what will have been nearly a decade in 2024?

Somehow they have to win back old players... even when they only buy the new Rulebook and that Compendium..

They could expand their old armies when new Stuff comes out.

The whole thing is clearly aimed at the new fanbase of Total warhammer.
This reads as wishlisting.

I hope that they dont go overboard with the AoSification of the Old World and they still lean more towards the WFHB mini style.

Games Workshop really is the textbook poster boy for a top heavy, out of touch company that stays dominant due to factors beyond their control.

All these models should have gone to a subcontractor to produce on behalf of GW. Keep them all on the GW website and have the sub make the models. Literally free money for GW. Do you know how many companies would die to be in that sort of situation and GW says "naw, toss em in the bin".

Even if they left the rulebooks at 8th they could have just sold them as ebooks.

The whole situation would be utterly hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic and sad.

in another forum it was said that this is the Reddit account of Mikhael who would be reliable according to dakkas rumour tracker

That assumes that its even the same Mikhael (which is doubtful based on dakka-Mikhaels typing pattern relative to reddit-Mikhael). It could be someone else with the same name or someone who intentionally refers to themselves as Mikhael for the purposes of creating legitimacy by way of people assuming that its the same guy.

 herjan1987 wrote:
I hope that they dont go overboard with the AoSification of the Old World and they still lean more towards the WFHB mini style.

If its same scale it would seem odd not to have units that work in both but then GW often does not work that way.

Working closely with Total War means more of the fantasical units from across the editions and 8th edition I would think.

chaos0xomega wrote:

in another forum it was said that this is the Reddit account of Mikhael who would be reliable according to dakkas rumour tracker

That assumes that its even the same Mikhael (which is doubtful based on dakka-Mikhaels typing pattern relative to reddit-Mikhael). It could be someone else with the same name or someone who intentionally refers to themselves as Mikhael for the purposes of creating legitimacy by way of people assuming that its the same guy.

You could ask Gary/Nafka/Faeit212 if that Dude uses the Same Mail-Adress than that Mikhael from 2017.

So, dumb question but do we even know if the The Old World will use square bases? I see no reason they could not be round, and GW just sell Sabot style movement trays for the units as an additional sale......

Do we have confirmation of square bases?

I'm obviously not an optimist and not a GW fan, but didn't Necromunda release a 'get-by' PDF for the old Gangs when the new edition came out?

 Arbitrator wrote:
I'm obviously not an optimist and not a GW fan, but didn't Necromunda release a 'get-by' PDF for the old Gangs when the new edition came out?

And for Blood Bowl, too.

So, dumb question but do we even know if the The Old World will use square bases? I see no reason they could not be round, and GW just sell Sabot style movement trays for the units as an additional sale......

Do we have confirmation of square bases?

Their first posts about it were hyping up the square bases, so presumably that hasn't changed.

 Easy E wrote:
So, dumb question but do we even know if the The Old World will use square bases? I see no reason they could not be round, and GW just sell Sabot style movement trays for the units as an additional sale......

Do we have confirmation of square bases?

The initial announcement was a square base, so it’s a pretty safe bet.

 Easy E wrote:
So, dumb question but do we even know if the The Old World will use square bases? I see no reason they could not be round, and GW just sell Sabot style movement trays for the units as an additional sale......

Do we have confirmation of square bases?

Yeah it was one of the first things they ever said about it

 Easy E wrote:
So, dumb question but do we even know if the The Old World will use square bases? I see no reason they could not be round, and GW just sell Sabot style movement trays for the units as an additional sale......

Do we have confirmation of square bases?

They said there would be square bases, but I think the most sensible interpretation of that statement is that that doesn't necessarily preclude them using round bases in a square sabot tray type thing. In short, I guess, we don't really know though based on what they did say I would assume that yes, traditional square bases are coming back

Tbh I would not be surprised if they did a 180 on this and say what they actualy means was square movement trays

Was it ever established just what "The Old World" as a term commonly gets used by GW to refer to speciifically?

've seen people say the term just refers to the specific area of the map called "The Old World yet there have been times that seem to apply GW use it to refer to the setting overall too. n one of the original articles they said "If you’re itching to jump into the Old World right now, you can!" when referring to TW:W despite the game encompassing more than that, the Warhammer: Chronicles tagline was something like "Adventure in the Old World" despite not being just that area of the map, and now this article here appears to describe Cathay as "the Old World’s largest empire" .

"The Old World" ist the middle Continent (the Europe) of the Warhammer World (the Planet has no Name). The Old World is the Empire, Bretonnia, Kislev, Norsca, ect....

Cathay is not Part of the Old World...

 Argive wrote:
Tbh I would not be surprised if they did a 180 on this and say what they actualy means was square movement trays

I'd prefer that TBH - then I can just port models back and forth as needed.

What RazorEdge said is/was the officially understood answer. Its possible that GW is using the term differently now, but if they have they haven't been clear on that topic. IMO, the fact that CA is referring to Cathay as "the Old World's largest empire" would imply to me that GW now views "the Old World" to be synonymous with "the world that was", as I would have to imagine that CA sent that to GW for review before posting it (my girlfriend works for another company in the industry that has lots of licensed properties, licensors comb through all the articles, press releases, etc. for the most seemingly inconsequential minute details. Something like that is something I would expect GW to have noticed).

Maybe, but also it's GW, so who knows. That company displays some amazing Small Family Business energy at times.

chaos0xomega wrote:
What RazorEdge said is/was the officially understood answer. Its possible that GW is using the term differently now, but if they have they haven't been clear on that topic. IMO, the fact that CA is referring to Cathay as "the Old World's largest empire" would imply to me that GW now views "the Old World" to be synonymous with "the world that was", as I would have to imagine that CA sent that to GW for review before posting it (my girlfriend works for another company in the industry that has lots of licensed properties, licensors comb through all the articles, press releases, etc. for the most seemingly inconsequential minute details. Something like that is something I would expect GW to have noticed).

Found another somewhat more obvious example. The product description for the audio Novel "Realmslayer" clearly talks about the "The Old World" in a way synonymous with "the world that was" twice.

Fabled hero of the Warhammer Old World, Gotrek Gurnisson is reborn and cast into the Age of Sigmar for a brand-new, feature-length audio adventure. With Gotrek being voiced by the world famous Brian Blessed!!

Now Gotrek has returned, having outlived the old gods and the Old World.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
So, dumb question but do we even know if the The Old World will use square bases? I see no reason they could not be round, and GW just sell Sabot style movement trays for the units as an additional sale......

Do we have confirmation of square bases?

They said there would be square bases, but I think the most sensible interpretation of that statement is that that doesn't necessarily preclude them using round bases in a square sabot tray type thing. In short, I guess, we don't really know though based on what they did say I would assume that yes, traditional square bases are coming back

I'm working on a couple of older armies, and I'm purposely not finishing the bases yet just in case I need to rip them off again. Round bases with trays wouldn't be the worst thing, because it would let me play AoS if I ever want to play that. It would also give the sculptors a bit more freedom, and potentially bring costs down if there is less model density in units. A good olive branch between the two choices might be to also make square base equivalent movement trays, where everyone is basically in skirmish stance, so the footprint is the same. I guess there's also nothing stopping players from putting the square bases into the round slots, it will just be a bit uglier.

I'm really pumped for this game. I have a feeling that this will finally be my chance to get that Chaos Dwarf Army I've always wanted.

GW settles a lot of debates in the Old World Q&A

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/21/square-bases-and-kislev-ascendant-see-your-questions-about-warhammer-the-old-world-answered/

And my interest is immediately down. No interest in going back to square bases.

 Kanluwen wrote:
And I'm out. No interest in going back to square bases.

Uh... what... what did you think this was going to be? That was literally the one thing we knew from day 1.

I'm glad with all the answers, specially the scale one. Old armies coming back is a great thing. Warhammer Fantasy with all the things they have learned, the new mission design (instead of just 3000 points, no named characters, pitched battle! all the time), and regular faqs, erratas, etc... can be a blast.

It's the one thing heavily implied, via cheeky wording, since day one. Having 100% confirmation is a different story.

They kept insinuating that this was not an attempt to "fragment" the player base. This is going to fragment it, hard.

Is it though?

You play WHFB, you have square bases for most things, rectangular for Cav and some monsters?

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's the one thing heavily implied, via cheeky wording, since day one. Having 100% confirmation is a different story.

They kept insinuating that this was not an attempt to "fragment" the player base. This is going to fragment it, hard.

There's still a chance for LotR style square tray converters for round bases, although I'd be surprised if GW went with KoW levels of abstraction needed when the bases are 32mm and you only fit like 5 dudes on a Regiment tray.

But I was very confident in there being a scale change, so clearly I have no clue where GW is going with this project.

From the article:

Those who have studied the previous map updates will no doubt have discerned that the Empire is riven by civil war, with no one Emperor or Empress uniting the elector states, and so the Kislevites’ role is even more vital to the defence of the entire* Old World.

That would seem to imply "The Old World" is referring to the continent.

On the question of scale:

What? No! What madness is that?! The scale will remain the same as it ever was. We want people to be able to use their old armies if they wish, or to start new ones, or to add new miniatures to old armies – whatever they want.

Boo. Hiss. What if my old army was 10mm scale? DO the nubs at WarCom even know about Warmaster?