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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
This might genuinely be the first time I've seen anyone argue that the plastic Prince is "better sculpted" than the metal one.

There's a nut for every bolt, I guess.

At least i don't need to use a bloody angle grinder, a soldering iron, a drill and thirty layers of paint to get it to look decent-ish and stay in one place.

Oh, no, never use a soldering iron on metal miniatures. That's just a recipe for disaster.

Hell, I've melted parts of a metal mini by trying to saw a part ^^

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
This might genuinely be the first time I've seen anyone argue that the plastic Prince is "better sculpted" than the metal one.

There's a nut for every bolt, I guess.

At least i don't need to use a bloody angle grinder, a soldering iron, a drill and thirty layers of paint to get it to look decent-ish and stay in one place.

love how it went from "it looks better" to "bUt iTs EaSiEr tO WoRk WiTh"

I cannot ever participate in this kind of discussions because I nearly love all miniatures from 1990 onwards... is the really, really old stuff I cannot like.

But I like the current Plastic Minotaurs so I suppose I have no taste.

For example the plastic demon prince, I bought a creature caster lord of slaugther to use as mine but I don't really dislike GW one even if I can acknowledge is much inferior.

Cronch wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
This might genuinely be the first time I've seen anyone argue that the plastic Prince is "better sculpted" than the metal one.

There's a nut for every bolt, I guess.

At least i don't need to use a bloody angle grinder, a soldering iron, a drill and thirty layers of paint to get it to look decent-ish and stay in one place.

love how it went from "it looks better" to "bUt iTs EaSiEr tO WoRk WiTh"

It is both. Who would want to have a mini that's not only made out of solid hunk of metal that keep falling apart at the joints unless you bloody drill or solder them togather, that can't actually stay painted for any reasonable time, AND is a squat, t-posing, fugly thing?

 Galas wrote:
I cannot ever participate in this kind of discussions because I nearly love all miniatures from 1990 onwards... is the really, really old stuff I cannot like.

But I like the current Plastic Minotaurs so I suppose I have no taste.

For example the plastic demon prince, I bought a creature caster lord of slaugther to use as mine but I don't really dislike GW one even if I can acknowledge is much inferior.

Oh, me neither! As I said, the plastic one is nice for what it is, and it's a versatile kit. Also, after you assemble it you have loads of very nice bits for other proyects, which is fabulous.

But it is a worse sculpt than the old CSM DP.

i don't know, but why would you get both the metal DP and the horrible plastic thing with no details and square head?

Cronch wrote:
i don't know, but why would you get both the metal DP and the horrible plastic thing with no details and square head?

If I already have the metal one and I get the plastic one, it will be to assemble it very differently, and I'll have lots of nice bits afterwards.

Let's get back on topic, shall we?

VBS wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:


Metal Har Ganeth executioners > plastic executioners.

Same with black guard of naggarond.

Most of the old metal elite regiments are way better than their current plastic versions: Greatswords, Eternal Guard, IronBreakers, Chaos Knights, Stormvermin.....

The plastic Stormvermin is my favourite Skaven kit ever and the reason I even got any Skaven models back when they came out. I really like them, a lot more than the metals.

Yeah... metal stormvermin better than the plastics? Not buying that. Even on a 1:1 basis that is a bit suspect but full units there's no competition. I can totally get if someone just likes the old metals more though, that's just a personal subjective thing.

Every perference mentioned here is "personal subjetive thing" (duh!). I don't think it is necesary to point it out.

 Graphite wrote:
Keep in mind that until about 4 or 5 years ago, we didn't really have "Monopose plastics".

4th ed, 5th ed, and much of the 6th ed starter(especially since those Arrer Boyz were the only option for the unit until the world ended) sets say hi, as do most of the 4th ed plastic kits. Skull Pass and Island of Blood are rather the exceptions since, aside from the Sea Guard, those models didn't become retail product.

 Graphite wrote:

Meanwhile, I have this guy in my collection

http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Image:Citadel-LE21-02.jpg

Yes, that's right, it's a citadel dwarf buckling up his trousers after going to the loo.
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How can you even tell? If your idea of the pinnacle of mininatures sculpting is a largely undefined blob with what appears to be a helmet, a beard, and a chainmail shirt reaching for their crotch area with both hands then I don't know that common ground exists for us to come to an understanding of one anothers viewpoints.

 Albertorius wrote:


Old metal CSM DP (kind of crap image, didn't find one better painted with a quick search):

This I agree with - and its a hill I will gladly die on. Theres a lot to be desired from that sculpt, but it doesn't look like "Babys First Daemon Prince". I found one of these bad boys NIB at a local store a couple years back and gladly snatched him up for a few bucks. Imagine my disappointment when I discovered that half the parts were missing. ;_:

chaos0xomega wrote:
If your idea of the pinnacle of mininatures sculpting is a largely undefined blob with what appears to be a helmet, a beard, and a chainmail shirt...

Well, when it comes to Warhammer Dwarfs, it kind of is for me as it is ticking all the necessary boxes

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
If your idea of the pinnacle of mininatures sculpting is a largely undefined blob with what appears to be a helmet, a beard, and a chainmail shirt...

Well, when it comes to Warhammer Dwarfs, it kind of is for me as it is ticking all the necessary boxes

yeah, if only you could bloody make out all those boxes. Instead it's a
"Undefined blob, with several more fugly, undefined detailless blobs one could possibly interpret as a helmet, a beard and a chainmail"

Admiral SKK / Mikhael on Reddit:

Is that a reliable rumour releaser? These days I see a lot of people grab rumour/wishlists from reddit and hold them up high when its really unproven and honestly often boils down to wishlisting.

I just can't imagine GW selling a book with rules for minis they haven't been selling nor producing for what will have been nearly a decade in 2024?

 Overread wrote:
Is that a reliable rumour releaser? These days I see a lot of people grab rumour/wishlists from reddit and hold them up high when its really unproven and honestly often boils down to wishlisting.

It doesn't read like it was written by a native English speaker, which makes me a bit suss given, ya know, GW is based in England.

MobileSuitRandom wrote:I just can't imagine GW selling a book with rules for minis they haven't been selling nor producing for what will have been nearly a decade in 2024?

I can, but only if their intention is to bring those armies back in a short span of time. If you the 4th or 5th army was to be Tomb Kings I could see GW release a rule book at the start with TK rules inside with a view that it will take up those old fans, get them excited, get them talking and active and then create instant hype and attention on the release of the army when they come. And GW can always then add to that roster in the book with their own battlebook or whatever the codex equivalent ends up being.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Is that a reliable rumour releaser? These days I see a lot of people grab rumour/wishlists from reddit and hold them up high when its really unproven and honestly often boils down to wishlisting.

It doesn't read like it was written by a native English speaker, which makes me a bit suss given, ya know, GW is based in England.

Yeah and normally overseas rumours tend to be more just stock being delivered and opened up early by someone in distribution/local stores. So its typically much closer to a release. Not years out

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
I just can't imagine GW selling a book with rules for minis they haven't been selling nor producing for what will have been nearly a decade in 2024?

Somehow they have to win back old players... even when they only buy the new Rulebook and that Compendium..

They could expand their old armies when new Stuff comes out.

Gonna be hard to play Tomb Kings without any models out there...

Follwoing that rumor, this Compendium seems to be for Old Player, who still have an old Army.

 Overread wrote:
Is that a reliable rumour releaser? These days I see a lot of people grab rumour/wishlists from reddit and hold them up high when its really unproven and honestly often boils down to wishlisting.

Was one of the last Rumor Monger before their decline with the Rumor Engine.

Mikhael - Total rumors: (7 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS OUTSTANDING - Updated 8/7/2017

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/448304.page

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Gonna be hard to play Tomb Kings without any models out there...

So many of the lines have been gutted of their mainstay units. Obviously not to the extent of the Tomb Kings, but enough that it makes assembling a force impossible using only direct purchases from GW.

Dwarfs lack basic warriors, crossbows, thunderers (the AoS ones do not fit, at all), all of their siege engines, miners, all of their special characters except Gotrek (no Felix, though) and Belegar, no generic lords, no anvil of doom.

But hey, we got dwarfs hanging from balloons like babies in walkers so that's okay, I guess? Who wanted shield walls of stout dwarfs backed up by ranged firepower?

 Overread wrote:
Is that a reliable rumour releaser? These days I see a lot of people grab rumour/wishlists from reddit and hold them up high when its really unproven and honestly often boils down to wishlisting.

No, its a rando who started a reddit account 6 months ago and only posted about anime waifu gak and never interacted with the 40k/GW community up until 2-3 days ago.

RazorEdge wrote:
Follwoing that rumor, this Compendium seems to be for Old Player, who still have an old Army.

 Overread wrote:
Is that a reliable rumour releaser? These days I see a lot of people grab rumour/wishlists from reddit and hold them up high when its really unproven and honestly often boils down to wishlisting.

Was one of the last Rumor Monger before their decline with the Rumor Engine.

Mikhael - Total rumors: (7 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS OUTSTANDING - Updated 8/7/2017

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/448304.page

Where's the connection between these two? They don't come across as written by the same person at all, and I can't see anything to say and especially not verify this new Reddit account is them.

It's a relatively new reddit account that has barely posted anything or even interacted with the community until these vague, baseless "rumours" (and it's a stretch to call them that) over the past few days, with such fascinating and insightful threads such as:

DKOK - "Death Rider in Plastic will come."

Astra Millitarum - "New Codex in Sep, do not tell anyone..."

As well as one (now deleted) that was along the lines of Warcry "New edition soon" with an answer to someones comment of "Is this an announcement? A rumour? A prediction?" being something that amounted to "Who Knows?"

Not to mention he's now saying there's going to be a full Horus Heresy 'reboot' as such with the new miniatures we've seen apparantly being for a full scale project handled by GW that they'll continue for years as well as this Old World rumour claiming Kislev was shown because of Total War Warhammer 3 (it was marketing for that game) and knows both when models will first be shown for TOW and when the game will release. He's also implying in other comments that TOW was done for TW:W players while at the same time saying they want to just bring old players back with their old miniatures being a big part of the game initially.

So unless this guy just somehow knows about all these different major projects and is involved with/in the know on the miniatures side, rules side and even the business plans and marketing, they're just absurd made-up stuff with no credibility at all.

in another forum it was said that this is the Reddit account of Mikhael who would be reliable according to dakkas rumour tracker

yet there is nothing special here either
that we won't see something before end of 2022 beginning of 2023 is a thing since the start

there were just those who said GW must release it together with TWWH3, which would be a year earlier than most others assumed

that we will see some kind of ravenous hordes to get people playing instead of releasing rules for 2-4 starter factions is the logical step anyway

the only new thing is that units and chars from 8th, which would also mean that those who never got an update are left behind for release

2024 release is a bit disappointing. That's a long way off. Guess it means there will be a lot of models though

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
But hey, we got dwarfs hanging from balloons like babies in walkers so that's okay, I guess? Who wanted shield walls of stout dwarfs backed up by ranged firepower?

I want Wood Elves to get their minis back. Always liked them.