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 vict0988 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I'd quite like to see them do a custom chapter affair where you can trade trait rules for access to gods, get some renegades who will only court with nurgle & slaanesh for example but have fewer special rules than an undivided warband.

What's the benefit of being Nurgle/Slaanesh in this scenario if you have fewer special rules than an undivided warband?

Troop cult marines and cult bonus, akin to doctrines?
All nurgle gain 6+++

 vict0988 wrote:
Zerkers are Khorne, TS, DG and EC cannot take Khorne units, making them troops for everyone wouldn't change that.

Yes, the power dedicated legions would obviously be more limited in that World Eaters would obviously only have Berzerkers and Possessed as troops. Currently TS doesn't have access to Possessed, which I think should be changed, but otherwise, it would be a fairly seamless change that would provide a lot of variety and new build possibilities.

Definitely not a silver bullet though.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 vict0988 wrote:
Zerkers are Khorne, TS, DG and EC cannot take Khorne units, making them troops for everyone wouldn't change that.

Yes, the power dedicated legions would obviously be more limited in that World Eaters would obviously only have Berzerkers and Possessed as troops. Currently TS doesn't have access to Possessed, which I think should be changed, but otherwise, it would be a fairly seamless change that would provide a lot of variety and new build possibilities.

Definitely not a silver bullet though.

TS don't have bodies to be possessed.

 vict0988 wrote:
TS don't have bodies to be possessed.

They did in RT. It would be easy enough in the fluff to say that their possessed are simply failed sorcerers or something similar. The Rubric is one of the most annoying pieces of lore to me, at the same time, it has so much potential to expand the Legion's look, feel, and playstyle in some really cool ways that sadly GW never seems to explore.

 vict0988 wrote:

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 vict0988 wrote:
Zerkers are Khorne, TS, DG and EC cannot take Khorne units, making them troops for everyone wouldn't change that.

Yes, the power dedicated legions would obviously be more limited in that World Eaters would obviously only have Berzerkers and Possessed as troops. Currently TS doesn't have access to Possessed, which I think should be changed, but otherwise, it would be a fairly seamless change that would provide a lot of variety and new build possibilities.

Definitely not a silver bullet though.

TS don't have bodies to be possessed.

Not every single Marine became a Rubric Marine.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 vict0988 wrote:
TS don't have bodies to be possessed.

They did in RT. It would be easy enough in the fluff to say that their possessed are simply failed sorcerers or something similar. The Rubric is one of the most annoying pieces of lore to me, at the same time, it has so much potential to expand the Legion's look, feel, and playstyle in some really cool ways that sadly GW never seems to explore.

Alright, I'm convinced it'd be fluffy for TS to have Possessed. In what ways would you have liked to see TS expanded? I think Tzaangor and Mutalith Vortex Beasts are pretty cool.

 vict0988 wrote:

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 vict0988 wrote:
TS don't have bodies to be possessed.

They did in RT. It would be easy enough in the fluff to say that their possessed are simply failed sorcerers or something similar. The Rubric is one of the most annoying pieces of lore to me, at the same time, it has so much potential to expand the Legion's look, feel, and playstyle in some really cool ways that sadly GW never seems to explore.

Alright, I'm convinced it'd be fluffy for TS to have Possessed. In what ways would you have liked to see TS expanded? I think Tzaangor and Mutalith Vortex Beasts are pretty cool.

I'd like to see them expanded by consolidation back into the Legion codex where they should be.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'd like to see them expanded by consolidation back into the Legion codex where they should be.

I could kind of go either way on this, in most ways I feel like the horse is already out of the barn on that one though.

As for expanding TS, I'd like to see Rubric traits added to more traditional units. I despise that TS fields a Hellbrute, Rubric Dreadnoughts (and vehicles in general), Sorcerer Dreadnoughts and Possessed I think would be very flavorful.

I'd like to see some competent sorcerers for other legions. Specifically because I miss having the ability to field a Sorcerer Lord in a non-TS legion.

TS Contemptor Psyker Rubric-like Dreadnoughts would be ultra cool. Much more than those lame Blood Angel Librarian dreadnoughts.

 Galas wrote:
TS Contemptor Psyker Rubric-like Dreadnoughts would be ultra cool. Much more than those lame Blood Angel Librarian dreadnoughts.

Yeah, turned out Blood Angels are the only Marines ever to stick Librarians in a Dreadnought. No, not Blood Ravens, not Dark Angels (which are only ever Deathwing), not Grey Knights, not Ultramarines, nobody. Period. Not allowed.


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 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'd like to see them expanded by consolidation back into the Legion codex where they should be.

I could kind of go either way on this, in most ways I feel like the horse is already out of the barn on that one though.

As for expanding TS, I'd like to see Rubric traits added to more traditional units. I despise that TS fields a Hellbrute, Rubric Dreadnoughts (and vehicles in general), Sorcerer Dreadnoughts and Possessed I think would be very flavorful.

I'd like to see some competent sorcerers for other legions. Specifically because I miss having the ability to field a Sorcerer Lord in a non-TS legion.

Honestly based on the fact we have all this garbage being released right now, do we really care?

At least at minimum it's easier to consolidate them compared to Death Guard (which I went over in the Proposed Rules subforum for a Legion rule to have).

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Honestly based on the fact we have all this garbage being released right now, do we really care?

Honestly, outside of what I mentioned above and some balance units I'm not sure what I would want them to release right now. Dialing CSM up to current SM levels of lethality might fix some issues, but I don't really think it's good for the game in general to be like that.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Honestly based on the fact we have all this garbage being released right now, do we really care?

Honestly, outside of what I mentioned above and some balance units I'm not sure what I would want them to release right now. Dialing CSM up to current SM levels of lethality might fix some issues, but I don't really think it's good for the game in general to be like that.

Honestly,i don't want to be dialed to that level. Simply because that get's to be the new standard then and we get 6-7th ed Arms race again.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Honestly based on the fact we have all this garbage being released right now, do we really care?

Honestly, outside of what I mentioned above and some balance units I'm not sure what I would want them to release right now. Dialing CSM up to current SM levels of lethality might fix some issues, but I don't really think it's good for the game in general to be like that.

Honestly,i don't want to be dialed to that level. Simply because that get's to be the new standard then and we get 6-7th ed Arms race again.

The core of the Marine codex is, at the moment, decent for a start. I'd personally remove the table chart thing from the Iron Hands so they're just a two parter, but otherwise, outside Crimson Fists and Salamanders (which for some reason all of you like even though they're really bad), the traits are decently balanced themselves. Then we just need some reworking of the successor traits (lol nobody is going to use the Rapid Assault one at all).

The problem is the Supplements adding an army's worth of fething Stratagems, Relics, and Warlord traits. Cut out half the Warlord traits, leave just four relics (one range, one melee, one armor, and one...whatever is fine to compliment the current number of core relics that exist), and go ahead and get rid of all but 5 of the Stratagems. Oh and leave the Psyker powers like the current Chaplain chants and everybody gets one. Maybe two, one for support/defense and one for offense.

You cut all that bloat, consolidate the Angels Marines, leave just a few unique units for everyone, and suddenly everything is a lot easier to balance. Then GW can just slowly add rules and/or units during campaigns and pace things down. Unfortunately GW will likely never listen to my advice and we will keep getting what has been happening since the end of 3rd/4th: quick rules bloat and/or overpowered crap.

For Chaos Marines, we all know I want to destroy everything and start from scratch. It should be about the Legions, first and only. We need rules that actually represent as such.