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Why take part in Veganuary? Well, why not?
There are so many reasons people decide to try vegan.
For most, a love of animals is the catalyst. Some people want to feel better about themselves and the impact they make on the world. Others would like to set themselves a challenge, and many combine Veganuary with their ‘New Year’s Resolutions’ and see trying vegan as the healthiest start to the year. Whatever your reason, we’re here to support you.
So try vegan for a month and discover a whole new world of taste and flavour. We guarantee that, by the end of the month, you’ll feel fantastic!
Excommunicatus wrote:There's an open question as to whether Oreos are vegan. They're definitely plant-based, but with the Palm Oil content many people - myself included - feel they're disqualified from being vegan.
And here's the real issue. Veganism isn't a vegetarian diet. If you're simply dropping meat, you're dropping meat. If you're excluding any product even remotely involving the use/abuse/harm of animals, it suddenly becomes much more than a month of dietary change with "nothing to lose". Does the person going vegan for a month have to stick their animal-unfriendly clothing items and products in storage for all of January, or do they need to purge them? An ethical standpoint isn't temporary, so claiming anyone is "going vegan" for one month because they follow PETA's food list is about as disingenuous as it gets.
Excommunicatus wrote:
OIIIIIIO wrote: If Vegans are the extreme of vegetarianism, then I am at the exact polar opposite of that. I am a meatitarian. Veggies are a side dish that I rarely bother with (Although potatoes baked or mashed are tasty). I eat meat for every meal. Mostly steak, be it prime rib, porterhouse, T-bone, or the occasional filet mignon... I try to stay away from french foods though... I want to win the next war we fight, not drop our guns and capitulate.
People are free to do as they see fit, however I find it fairly humorous that it is usually the extremist people that want to try and force everyone else to bend to their way of life. I have yet to read a post that starts off with "Red meat and you ... the farmers had it all wrong!"
Not really trying to flame anyone here but I am honestly tired of being told what to do and how to live my life by people other than my doctor. Are you a Vegan? You are... well good for you. Am I... not a chance sweetheart, if there is a God he put omnivore teeth in my skull for a reason. I fully intend to eat the most reliable calories, that taste good to me, and I am well aware of how it was raised and taken care of. I speak of how the cattle were raised, but that also applies to how grain is raised as well. Do you know what pesticides were used on the grains you are ingesting? I don't because I can not source that kind of stuff local. The cows that I eat.... that is a different story. I know what antibiotics were given to them and that no a single one was ever popped with steroids. The same can not be said about grains... they are genetically altering grains and honestly it wiggs me out. That is why I could never be a vegan. That and Prime rib is, well... Prime.
Not trying to flame anyone, but leads with xenophobia, progresses to Luddism and anti-science and then invents magic cows who don't eat grain and haven't been genetically-modified by humans.
Thanks for coming out.
Starting with no evidence of any xenophobia whatever, progresses to accusations of Luddism because it is convenient, dismissing anything that goes against your rhetoric as anti-science, then conveniently somehow forgets localized sustainable non-GMO farming practices.
Thanks for showing your true colors.
Excommunicatus wrote:Dried beans cost literal pennies and last for months and months, correctly stored.
Ditto vital wheat gluten, TVP, tofu, tempeh...
Swing and a miss.
... and fruits and vegetables, which is the staple of where you get your nutrients in a vegan diet.
Oh, wait. So those ARE perishable and not as easy to store as processed foods, up to and including beans, rice, etc...
Swing and a miss.
The problem with your entire thread is that you come in from a position of moral superiority, and are condescendingly dismissive of anyone with counterpoints or alternative options to your "superior" lifestyle. Until that hump is crossed, this is nothing more than "the first hit is free".
Not a Vegan or a vegetarian but regarding perishables I make a load of fresh sauces for pasta and curries and make soups which I freeze or keep in the fridge.
I freeze 'smoothie'fruits and purees for later use.
Ditto with complete meals.
Apples and bannas? come on. the most popular fruits last for ages (even organic ones)
Veg? basics such as carrots last a fairly long while in the fridge.
And are we saying that fresh meats and fish are not perishable?
Excommunicatus wrote:There's an open question as to whether Oreos are vegan. They're definitely plant-based, but with the Palm Oil content many people - myself included - feel they're disqualified from being vegan.
And here's the real issue. Veganism isn't a vegetarian diet. If you're simply dropping meat, you're dropping meat. If you're excluding any product even remotely involving the use/abuse/harm of animals, it suddenly becomes much more than a month of dietary change with "nothing to lose". Does the person going vegan for a month have to stick their animal-unfriendly clothing items and products in storage for all of January, or do they need to purge them? An ethical standpoint isn't temporary, so claiming anyone is "going vegan" for one month because they follow PETA's food list is about as disingenuous as it gets.
Excommunicatus wrote:
OIIIIIIO wrote: If Vegans are the extreme of vegetarianism, then I am at the exact polar opposite of that. I am a meatitarian. Veggies are a side dish that I rarely bother with (Although potatoes baked or mashed are tasty). I eat meat for every meal. Mostly steak, be it prime rib, porterhouse, T-bone, or the occasional filet mignon... I try to stay away from french foods though... I want to win the next war we fight, not drop our guns and capitulate.
People are free to do as they see fit, however I find it fairly humorous that it is usually the extremist people that want to try and force everyone else to bend to their way of life. I have yet to read a post that starts off with "Red meat and you ... the farmers had it all wrong!"
Not really trying to flame anyone here but I am honestly tired of being told what to do and how to live my life by people other than my doctor. Are you a Vegan? You are... well good for you. Am I... not a chance sweetheart, if there is a God he put omnivore teeth in my skull for a reason. I fully intend to eat the most reliable calories, that taste good to me, and I am well aware of how it was raised and taken care of. I speak of how the cattle were raised, but that also applies to how grain is raised as well. Do you know what pesticides were used on the grains you are ingesting? I don't because I can not source that kind of stuff local. The cows that I eat.... that is a different story. I know what antibiotics were given to them and that no a single one was ever popped with steroids. The same can not be said about grains... they are genetically altering grains and honestly it wiggs me out. That is why I could never be a vegan. That and Prime rib is, well... Prime.
Not trying to flame anyone, but leads with xenophobia, progresses to Luddism and anti-science and then invents magic cows who don't eat grain and haven't been genetically-modified by humans.
Thanks for coming out.
Starting with no evidence of any xenophobia whatever, progresses to accusations of Luddism because it is convenient, dismissing anything that goes against your rhetoric as anti-science, then conveniently somehow forgets localized sustainable non-GMO farming practices.
Thanks for showing your true colors.
Excommunicatus wrote:Dried beans cost literal pennies and last for months and months, correctly stored.
Ditto vital wheat gluten, TVP, tofu, tempeh...
Swing and a miss.
... and fruits and vegetables, which is the staple of where you get your nutrients in a vegan diet.
Oh, wait. So those ARE perishable and not as easy to store as processed foods, up to and including beans, rice, etc...
Swing and a miss.
The problem with your entire thread is that you come in from a position of moral superiority, and are condescendingly dismissive of anyone with counterpoints or alternative options to your "superior" lifestyle. Until that hump is crossed, this is nothing more than "the first hit is free".
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I am condescendingly dismissive of people who make things up, who make 'arguments' that have already been dealt with and who ignore basic logic to make their inane and banal points.
It's simply unfortunate that all three apply to you. Fresh fruits and vegetables are not where my staple nutrients come from, but do feel free to pretend you know how a vegan diet works better than a person who has been vegan for six years (nearly) does.
EDIT - Veganuary promotes a vegan/plant-based diet. That's what you try for a month.
It's perfectly possible to follow a vegan diet and not be vegan. That's what being 'plant-based' is.
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A friend of mine buys a bunch of fresh veggies, blends them into a thick paste, and then freezes them. He’ll add a cup or so to every sauce or meal.
Excommunicatis, I would like to hear more about some of the vegan staples you brought up, like what “store properly” even means. I’ve never eaten (perhaps never even seen for sale) some of those items, so a quick sketch of how they are prepared or which meals they compliment would be appreciated. Also, would you be willing to talk about the preparation and storage of veggies most of us likely already have heard of and often buy? (I would love some ideas on storing fresh veggies longer than 5 days besides just freezing them.). Maybe meet us halfway on some of these points, Mr ambassador of Veganuary?
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If you want to follow a Vegan diet and not be Vegan, then just say that you’re eating a plant-based diet. There is no reason to use the term “Vegan” if you’re not Vegan unless you’re going for the moral superiority that comes with looking down at people and being this guy:
Most basic definitions of Vegan include the extensive lifestyle modification that comes with avoiding any animal cruelty:
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I hope everyone is posting from their cruelty free humanely sources rare earth mineral computers.
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Yeah, my opinions were not sought before they named it Veganuary. Sorry, I guess.
I can't for the life of me fathom why an event that takes place in January and promotes a vegan diet is called 'Veganuary', but marketing was never really my thing.
And of course, the semantics of the thing are crucial and fatal to the wider point.
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Dried beans and lentils - I reckon these kinda speak for themselves. Store somewhere cool and dry. I use glass jars but they aren't necessary, just aesthetic. I mostly use them in chilis, burgers, soups, meatballs (with seitan), pasta dishes. At a very fundamental level, they're my replacement for ground/minced, chopped or diced meats.
Vital wheat gluten - Store it like you would regular flour. Use it to make seitan, with which you can make many things. I typically use it to make meatballs (with lentils), meatloaf, sausages, steaks, roasts. It's more labour-intensive than the beans - especially if you don't have access to a pressure-cooker - and clean up can be a bit of a ballache, frankly.
Tofu - is terrible stuff by itself and needs to be marinated at a minimum. Silken tofu is, IMO, useless for making anything but vegan cream (blend it with melted vegan margarine and maple syrup) and 'pudding' style desserts. Medium tofu is only good for scramble. Firm tofu needs to be frozen and defrosted before being used and - again - marinated heavily. I use it as a replacement for diced meat. It'll last for up to a year frozen.
Jackfruit (young, in brine) I basically only ever use to make pulled 'pork', or in curries. I use Banana blooms and kelp-flakes to scratch the fish and chip urge inherent to growing up in the north of England. Both come in tins.
I'd recommend The Seitan Appreciation Society, What Broke Vegans Eat and What Fat Vegans Eat, all on that there Facebook that they have now.
Seitan
"The Bottom Line
Seitan is a popular vegan protein source made from wheat gluten and water.
It is high in protein and is a good source of minerals like selenium and iron.
Seitan is a great option for vegans who cannot eat soy, since other popular vegan foods, such as tofu and tempeh, are soy-based.
However, anyone who cannot tolerate wheat or gluten, including those with sensitivities, allergies or celiac disease, must strictly avoid seitan to avoid serious side effects.
It is also important to note that seitan is a highly processed food and can be high in sodium when purchased pre-made.
Moreover, there is some concern that gluten may contribute to “leaky gut,” increasing the risk of food sensitivities and autoimmune diseases, but more research is needed.
Overall, it seems that seitan may be a good food choice for some people but can cause unpleasant symptoms in others.
Until more about how gluten impacts the gut and immune system is understood, it is wise to listen to your body and let how you feel guide your food choices."
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Why take part in Veganuary? Well, why not?
There are so many reasons people decide to try vegan.
For most, a love of animals is the catalyst. Some people want to feel better about themselves and the impact they make on the world. Others would like to set themselves a challenge, and many combine Veganuary with their ‘New Year’s Resolutions’ and see trying vegan as the healthiest start to the year. Whatever your reason, we’re here to support you.
So try vegan for a month and discover a whole new world of taste and flavour. We guarantee that, by the end of the month, you’ll feel fantastic!
Except for the MASSIVE cost and difficulty in storage of quickly perishing goods.
Wait, in your head are vegetables and fruits in general MORE perishable than meat and cheese? Because I often feel like if I mess around with my meal plan just a little bit on the fly, my meats go bad in the fridge. And you can generally still saute a wilty vegetable or revive it by sticking it in water for a bit if you're a dummy and you leave it out and it gets a bit wrinkly. Can't do that with chicken that gets that stank.
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d-usa wrote: If you want to follow a Vegan diet and not be Vegan, then just say that you’re eating a plant-based diet. There is no reason to use the term “Vegan” if you’re not Vegan unless you’re going for the moral superiority that comes with looking down at people and being this guy:
Most basic definitions of Vegan include the extensive lifestyle modification that comes with avoiding any animal cruelty:
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I hope everyone is posting from their cruelty free humanely sources rare earth mineral computers.
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Wow gak dawg, you actually managed to make an "Um, Askshually" post where you MAKE FUN OF THAT GUY DOING THAT.
Your post is literally "Um Ackshually, You're Just Eating a Plant Diet, According to the Vegan Bible You Can't Call it Vegan".
Vegan is a word with a commonly understood definition of "not eating any food that involves animal products."
This is no different from any other Um Ackshually argument where you claim someone can't call themselves feminist unless they want to kill all men, can't call themselves Libertarian unless they're actively in prison for not paying taxes, can't call themselves socialist unless they're mailing the government 90% of their paycheck voluntarily, can't call themselves christian unless they believe the specific tenets of the third baptist church of wallamazoo (don't even get me STARTED on the heretics over at the FOURTH baptist church of wallamazoo, SPLITTERS!).
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At this point I'm just going to start asserting there's something wrong with the people taking offense to this idea existing. And that's as someone with no intention of stopping eating meat. This, and a great many other things that I'm sure also offend you are not about absolutes, but general harm reduction. But I can't go into that, because that would be politics. Apparently unlike the rest of the posts here?
Vegan, Vegetarian and a wide variety there in are diets. They don't need to be tied into the political angle of all of this. They are not inherently tied into this. Eating less meat for a couple of days is the only thing inherently tied into this.
You know what the op of this thread did to me, It made me wonder if I could dig up the mushroom scallion noodle recipe that a local noodle place made for a while. It brought up the funny memory that they thought I was vegetarian and warned me before giving me something with pork broth because in the prior three months of being a regular I ate nothing with meat in it. Without realizing it. It was all quite good. There was no instinct to attack there, just an offhand thought that hey, there's some good vegetarian dishes I'm aware of, maybe I should make some.
My fat ass is hardly vegetarian let alone vegan, but there's little inherently wrong with this. Get off your political hobby horses and let the guy offer up his ideas. Stop and consider why you're so offended by this. He isn't demanding people feed babies nothing but vegan foods till they die, he's making a suggestion to theoretically functioning adults.
A quick note to OP, while it wouldn't help much here, a couple good recipes on a sliding scale of vegetarian often go a long way. If I dig up the recipe I'm looking for I'll toss it in here.
FWIW I'm not male, Veganuary isn't *at all* my idea and I am in no way shape or form trying to present it as such.
I'm trying to resist providing anything beyond quite broad and general advice because I want people to click through to the Veganuary site, which has lists of "accidentally vegan" products, recipes and all of that stuff.
Though, granted, explicitly mentioning that earlier would have been useful
Wait, in your head are vegetables and fruits in general MORE perishable than meat and cheese? Because I often feel like if I mess around with my meal plan just a little bit on the fly, my meats go bad in the fridge. And you can generally still saute a wilty vegetable or revive it by sticking it in water for a bit if you're a dummy and you leave it out and it gets a bit wrinkly. Can't do that with chicken that gets that stank.
Yes.
Because meat can come in tins.
I live off just over £260 a month.
No way in hell am I buying fresh meat unless I'm eating it on the day.
I have no fridge space either so that also makes it a no no.
It's why it's funny you get people telling you to try living off a plant based diet and automatically assume you own a proper fridge or freezer.
When all I own is a wooden cupboard that fell off the wall.
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Excommunicatus wrote: Dried beans cost literal pennies and last for months and months, correctly stored.
Ditto vital wheat gluten, TVP, tofu, tempeh...
Swing and a miss.
Holy gak dried beans! That sounds so amazingly exciting!
no idea what TVP is.
Never seen Tofu in Aldi, Lidl or Asda.
No idea what Tempeh is.
Are any foodstuffs that last for months or years exciting in isolation?
Lidl and Asda both sell a bunch of cauldron brand tofu things.
The rest of this is just laughable. 'Hey, person advocating a diet that is new to me, your suggestions are worthless unless they're things with which I am already familiar!'
Folks know those of us who don't want to follow vegetarian or vegan diets aren't obliged to grasp at straws for reasons why, right? We can just say that we don't want to. Or say nothing. Wild.
ITT people getting pissy about other peoples dietary chocies because they feel judged.
Look, a vegan diet actually is pretty damn ethically defensible, a lot more than a meat based diet.
For reasons of animal cruelty, sure, but more importantly for pure sustainability reasons. Land use is the number one reason why meat agriculture is bad. The amount of land cleared for beef agriculture is an ecological catastrophe on a massive scale.
Reducing meat intake is a morally good act for that reason alone. Trying out some of the non-meat options for diet is not gonna kill anyone who does not have a medically mandated diet anyway. Getting defensive about it just shows that you don't like to consider your day to day actions on an ethical scale.
And you know what, that is fine. But you don't have to piss all over people making a different choice to you. And a vegan saying "Hey maybe try it!" is not a personal attack on you.
The fires being set in the Amazon Basin are to clear land for soybeans, since the demand for soy products keeps increasing.
In the U.S., and other parts of the world, most of the land used in raising meat is not suitable for crops.
As for myself, I have a friend with a farm where they raise meat animals for me. I buy them at auction, my friend raises them, we slaughter them and process them together. I have a freezer full of such: Beef, Mutton, Pork, Poultry.
I also am medically required to have a more meat centric diet. Prescribed by a doctor, monitored by both a dietitian and a nutritionist.
Check with your own doctors before making any radical changes to your diet.
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helgrenze wrote:
Overall, it seems that seitan may be a good food choice for some people but can cause unpleasant symptoms in others.
Until more about how gluten impacts the gut and immune system is understood, it is wise to listen to your body and let how you feel guide your food choices."
The first sentence is true of pretty much every food. The second is relevant to a whole gamut of foodstuffs that are staples in omnivorous diets. Fair enough if you want to argue for low gluten diets but it's not really a rebuttal of veganism.
helgrenze wrote:The fires being set in the Amazon Basin are to clear land for soybeans, since the demand for soy products keeps increasing.
In the U.S., and other parts of the world, most of the land used in raising meat is not suitable for crops.
Some are. It's hard to put numbers on how much is being done for which reasons, but the prevention of US soy beans being exported to China has definitely created an opportunity for South American farmers. Fires remain several times more common in cattle farming areas than the reat of the Amazon, however.
That aside, why do people insist on reading 'maybe trying a vegan diet for a month would be of interest' as 'veganism is morally superior. Prove me wrong'?
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It is absolutely not true that forest clearance is mostly for soybeans, but EVEN IF IT WAS, you get more useful calories per acre of soybeans (an order of magnitude more!) than you do per acre of beef grazing ground. A lot of crops that are grown are grown in any case to be used as feed for cattle in sheds, and it is a pure fact of thermodynamics that this results in wasted energy. A cows digestive system just is not efficient, so you end up using a lot more land per kilo of beef than the equivalently nutritious amountof soy beans
If you need meat in your diet for medical reasons, fine. Who is judging you for that? That is totally reasonable. Hell, I am not even saying "Eat no meat you terrible people", but just "Hey, maybe eating less meat would be good, and trying vegan food to see if you like it might be a good step on that road"
Edited to correc that I said a kilo of beef and a kilo of soy are as nutritious as each other!
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Try more plant based foods makes a hell of a lot more sense and is a lot more feasible and comes with a lot less baggage than “try more vegan food” though.
Vegan is a loaded term to begin with and it is a term with a definition that not even vegans agree on, and it is being used in ways that don’t really mean much of anything.
If I’m eating a plant based diet while wearing my shoes with leather uppers, am I vegan?
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Nah, I’m good.
It’s not tasty. And it’s more inconvenient in both: eating outside and cooking for yourself. The variation is also lacking compared to a non restricted diet. And balancing it something I’ll have to spend extra time on, which is not something I’d enjoy.
And, personally, I find veganism an absolute twaddle.
How about you don’t listen to your favorite genre of music for a month? There is no downside.
Or don’t use a smartphone. Or don’t eat anything sweet. Or don’t have sex. Or meditate for half an hour every day. Or don’t celebrate anything for a year. Again, there really is no downside.
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ValentineGames wrote: It's why it's funny you get people telling you to try living off a plant based diet and automatically assume you own a proper fridge or freezer.
When all I own is a wooden cupboard that fell off the wall.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say the vast majority of people have either a fridge or freezer and that your situation is in fact the outlier, not the norm.
Of course, if the overwhelming number of posters here do in fact also only have exclusively non-temperature-controlled wooden boxes to store their food in, speak up; I would consider myself corrected.
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SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: Nah, I’m good.
It’s not tasty. And it’s more inconvenient in both: eating outside and cooking for yourself. The variation is also lacking compared to a non restricted diet. And balancing it something I’ll have to spend extra time on, which is not something I’d enjoy.
And, personally, I find veganism an absolute twaddle.
How about you don’t listen to your favorite genre of music for a month? There is no downside.
Or don’t use a smartphone. Or don’t eat anything sweet. Or don’t have sex. Or meditate for half an hour every day. Or don’t celebrate anything for a year. Again, there really is no downside.
OIIIIIIO wrote: If Vegans are the extreme of vegetarianism, then I am at the exact polar opposite of that. I am a meatitarian. Veggies are a side dish that I rarely bother with (Although potatoes baked or mashed are tasty). I eat meat for every meal. Mostly steak, be it prime rib, porterhouse, T-bone, or the occasional filet mignon... I try to stay away from french foods though... I want to win the next war we fight, not drop our guns and capitulate.
People are free to do as they see fit, however I find it fairly humorous that it is usually the extremist people that want to try and force everyone else to bend to their way of life. I have yet to read a post that starts off with "Red meat and you ... the farmers had it all wrong!"
Not really trying to flame anyone here but I am honestly tired of being told what to do and how to live my life by people other than my doctor. Are you a Vegan? You are... well good for you. Am I... not a chance sweetheart, if there is a God he put omnivore teeth in my skull for a reason. I fully intend to eat the most reliable calories, that taste good to me, and I am well aware of how it was raised and taken care of. I speak of how the cattle were raised, but that also applies to how grain is raised as well. Do you know what pesticides were used on the grains you are ingesting? I don't because I can not source that kind of stuff local. The cows that I eat.... that is a different story. I know what antibiotics were given to them and that no a single one was ever popped with steroids. The same can not be said about grains... they are genetically altering grains and honestly it wiggs me out. That is why I could never be a vegan. That and Prime rib is, well... Prime.
Not trying to flame anyone, but leads with xenophobia, progresses to Luddism and anti-science and then invents magic cows who don't eat grain and haven't been genetically-modified by humans.
Thanks for coming out.
Yeah... think you might want to research what some of those terms actually mean.
Xenophobia... not so much, as that means a dislike or prejudice of people from other countries. I am an American, we welcome all people from all cultures.
Luddism... not so much as well, Luddites oppose the use of technology. I am using a computer to communicate to other people throughout the world via the internet. I do not dislike technology, quite the opposite. What I have a problem with is gene splicing plants and animals that people consume. Think of that what you will, I really don't care, but I will limit my intake of GMO food because I think that there will be problems down the road with that.
Magic cows.... Your reading comprehension is either incredibly low or you are willfully ignorant. I never said that the cows did not eat grain, they have not been genetically modified by humans, to be sure. The particular herd that we select for slaughter have actually been very carefully tended for over 90 years. I know everything that has ever happened to those cattle as I can see them in the pasture from my back yard. I know the rancher that raises them and how he does business. I really do appreciate your hand wave dismissal of facts that do not fit your narrative. And on that note... good luck in life, you are going to need it.
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ValentineGames wrote: It's why it's funny you get people telling you to try living off a plant based diet and automatically assume you own a proper fridge or freezer.
When all I own is a wooden cupboard that fell off the wall.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say the vast majority of people have either a fridge or freezer and that your situation is in fact the outlier, not the norm.
Of course, if the overwhelming number of posters here do in fact also only have exclusively non-temperature-controlled wooden boxes to store their food in, speak up; I would consider myself corrected.
Also, I love where the "meat always tastes better" argument goes when you're talking exclusively about tinned meat.
I have never eaten meat out of a tin that didn't make me feel like I was eating dog food. You've got jerky, and that is it, IMO.
If you made me eat food without a fridge for a month, I would be 100% vegan except for eggs, most likely. Tinned meat, jesus.
Also, how hard is it to plan your meals out for a week such that you can't buy any fresh vegetables for yourself to add to your meals? There aren't that many vegetables that will literally go bad within a day or two of getting them, especially not if you grab them unripe from the store.
Either way, first day of veganuary went pretty good. crispy tofu with panko breadcrumbs and fried rice with teriyaki and mushrooms. Total cost 5.50 for each of us, not counting the fraction of the bag of breadcrumbs, oil, and sauces and spices we used.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
OIIIIIIO wrote: If Vegans are the extreme of vegetarianism, then I am at the exact polar opposite of that. I am a meatitarian. Veggies are a side dish that I rarely bother with (Although potatoes baked or mashed are tasty). I eat meat for every meal. Mostly steak, be it prime rib, porterhouse, T-bone, or the occasional filet mignon... I try to stay away from french foods though... I want to win the next war we fight, not drop our guns and capitulate.
People are free to do as they see fit, however I find it fairly humorous that it is usually the extremist people that want to try and force everyone else to bend to their way of life. I have yet to read a post that starts off with "Red meat and you ... the farmers had it all wrong!"
Not really trying to flame anyone here but I am honestly tired of being told what to do and how to live my life by people other than my doctor. Are you a Vegan? You are... well good for you. Am I... not a chance sweetheart, if there is a God he put omnivore teeth in my skull for a reason. I fully intend to eat the most reliable calories, that taste good to me, and I am well aware of how it was raised and taken care of. I speak of how the cattle were raised, but that also applies to how grain is raised as well. Do you know what pesticides were used on the grains you are ingesting? I don't because I can not source that kind of stuff local. The cows that I eat.... that is a different story. I know what antibiotics were given to them and that no a single one was ever popped with steroids. The same can not be said about grains... they are genetically altering grains and honestly it wiggs me out. That is why I could never be a vegan. That and Prime rib is, well... Prime.
Not trying to flame anyone, but leads with xenophobia, progresses to Luddism and anti-science and then invents magic cows who don't eat grain and haven't been genetically-modified by humans.
Thanks for coming out.
Yeah... think you might want to research what some of those terms actually mean.
Xenophobia... not so much, as that means a dislike or prejudice of people from other countries. I am an American, we welcome all people from all cultures.
In the strictest sense it's a fear, dislike, or distrust of anything alien, and you certainly seen pretty hostile to veganism.
That said, your first paragraph ends with a xenophobic caricature of French people.
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