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I can't wait for Xenos to get a release, just so I can go into the thread and endlessly complain about it not being Primaris and why Xenos are bad.

Maybe then I'll understand why everyone incessantly does it, and I too will become Woke to GeeDubya (this takes so much more effort than GW, but I guess it's edgy!).

God damn those businesses observing sales data and year on year growth trends when the real customers know best! Everyone knows that the best way to generate profit and growth isn't to target your largest demographic, it's to re-release Finecast Xenos in plastic! Because everyone totally won't complain that they have to re-buy their existing minis...

 Sentineil wrote:
I can't wait for Xenos to get a release, just so I can go into the thread and endlessly complain about it not being Primaris and why Xenos are bad.

Maybe then I'll understand why everyone incessantly does it, and I too will become Woke to GeeDubya (this takes so much more effort than GW, but I guess it's edgy!).

God damn those businesses observing sales data and year on year growth trends when the real customers know best! Everyone knows that the best way to generate profit and growth isn't to target your largest demographic, it's to re-release Finecast Xenos in plastic! Because everyone totally won't complain that they have to re-buy their existing minis...

Wow. You're convincing 0 people to your own point while insulting others. I'm shocked as to why these people still do it!

 Sentineil wrote:
I can't wait for Xenos to get a release, just so I can go into the thread and endlessly complain about it not being Primaris and why Xenos are bad.

Maybe then I'll understand why everyone incessantly does it, and I too will become Woke to GeeDubya (this takes so much more effort than GW, but I guess it's edgy!).

I get the feeling you'd complain no matter what it was, also wut?

 Sentineil wrote:
Because everyone totally won't complain that they have to re-buy their existing minis...

Currently in the process of rebuilding my GKs, try having some real problems.

 Sentineil wrote:
I can't wait for Xenos to get a release, just so I can go into the thread and endlessly complain about it not being Primaris and why Xenos are bad.

Maybe then I'll understand why everyone incessantly does it, and I too will become Woke to GeeDubya (this takes so much more effort than GW, but I guess it's edgy!).

God damn those businesses observing sales data and year on year growth trends when the real customers know best! Everyone knows that the best way to generate profit and growth isn't to target your largest demographic, it's to re-release Finecast Xenos in plastic! Because everyone totally won't complain that they have to re-buy their existing minis...

By your logic, that would mean guardsmen would get a lot more this edition. Instead, they’ve actually lost miniatures since they won’t sell us steel legion, vostroyans and mordians anymore.

 Segersgia wrote:

 Sentineil wrote:
I can't wait for Xenos to get a release, just so I can go into the thread and endlessly complain about it not being Primaris and why Xenos are bad.

Maybe then I'll understand why everyone incessantly does it, and I too will become Woke to GeeDubya (this takes so much more effort than GW, but I guess it's edgy!).

God damn those businesses observing sales data and year on year growth trends when the real customers know best! Everyone knows that the best way to generate profit and growth isn't to target your largest demographic, it's to re-release Finecast Xenos in plastic! Because everyone totally won't complain that they have to re-buy their existing minis...

By your logic, that would mean guardsmen would get a lot more this edition. Instead, they’ve actually lost miniatures since they won’t sell us steel legion, vostroyans and mordians anymore.

This is going to take some explaining, because I really don't see where you're coming from? Are you saying IG are GW's largest demographic?

I'd love to see some new Guard too. I was hoping with the new cultists with BF that we might finally see a new base range, but alas, not the case.

According to one of the usual reliable french rumor monger, the models on the blurred picture are not going to be released anytime soon.

 Sentineil wrote:

 Segersgia wrote:

 Sentineil wrote:
I can't wait for Xenos to get a release, just so I can go into the thread and endlessly complain about it not being Primaris and why Xenos are bad.

Maybe then I'll understand why everyone incessantly does it, and I too will become Woke to GeeDubya (this takes so much more effort than GW, but I guess it's edgy!).

God damn those businesses observing sales data and year on year growth trends when the real customers know best! Everyone knows that the best way to generate profit and growth isn't to target your largest demographic, it's to re-release Finecast Xenos in plastic! Because everyone totally won't complain that they have to re-buy their existing minis...

By your logic, that would mean guardsmen would get a lot more this edition. Instead, they’ve actually lost miniatures since they won’t sell us steel legion, vostroyans and mordians anymore.

This is going to take some explaining, because I really don't see where you're coming from? Are you saying IG are GW's largest demographic?

I'd love to see some new Guard too. I was hoping with the new cultists with BF that we might finally see a new base range, but alas, not the case.

Guardsmen are third in popularity polls, space marines and chaos are first and second respectively in those polls. Demographically, they are a very popular army. So by your logic, if they are going by demographic and most popular armies, guardsmen should’ve gotten more, but they haven’t. They haven’t been getting anything major since 6th edition.

Also, looking around sites searching for best sellers, Tau are a very good selling army. But I’m going to let that slide since they’re range has had a very good update last edition.

Third: Games Workshop is currently doing extremely well in profits, so they are currently in a position of taking risks with what they sell.

Selfcontrol wrote:
According to one of the usual reliable french rumor monger, the models on the blurred picture are not going to be released anytime soon.

So, more like 9th edition summer 2020, or even later?

Anyway, no one ought to be surprised primaris will get more models.

Selfcontrol wrote:
According to one of the usual reliable french rumor monger, the models on the blurred picture are not going to be released anytime soon.

This feels like the 9th starter box type of stuff to me. Considering they're releasing SoB soon and 9th edition will surely get a boxset with its launch I find it doubtful that whatever boxset they've planned for spring isn't tied to one of the PAs but instead another SM box.

Alternatively, it could be another Shadowspear styled setup.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Seems pretty odd that they didn't include these in the 4 month old Space Marine Codex. There's no way these weren't finished models even before the codex released. One reason I stopped playing 40k was the constant invalidation of books even months after release. I guess in this case the Codex isnt invalid, but when I used to buy a codex, I expected that for at least a year I wouldn't need any other rules documents and models. If Primaris are released at this rate, how long till SM codex 3.0 and 6 more supplements to buy?

Amen. Entire year without more marine models would be nice. Oee can hope

tneva82 wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Seems pretty odd that they didn't include these in the 4 month old Space Marine Codex. There's no way these weren't finished models even before the codex released. One reason I stopped playing 40k was the constant invalidation of books even months after release. I guess in this case the Codex isnt invalid, but when I used to buy a codex, I expected that for at least a year I wouldn't need any other rules documents and models. If Primaris are released at this rate, how long till SM codex 3.0 and 6 more supplements to buy?

Amen. Entire year without more marine models would be nice. Oee can hope

Almost as though the game should have rules through a loving PDF and we should stop giving GW money for their printed material overall!

Personally I find the starter box thing a bit hard to believe. Even if its just the new stuff, a speeder, bikes and a new tank in one set seems unlikely.

 Segersgia wrote:


Third: Games Workshop is currently doing extremely well in profits, so they are currently in a position of taking risks with what they sell.

Too bad they're not taking risks, though.

Instead their rehashing the codex cycle at triple speed (plus extra rules revisions), and not pushing new products without limited time only boxed sets that seem to far underestimate demand (intentionally, so they're guaranteed to sell out). Even Sisters required the community survey to do the heavy lifting of taking a 'risk.' And they still hedged their bets with a monopose box 3 months before the actual release to gauge interest and demand. (Which is good business, but not taking risks)

With the current setting state, half the imperium in the dark for a century plus timey-whimey warp nonsense, this would be the perfect time to take a risk and push a new* faction or xenos army, either something brand new, or howling in from the halo stars or enslaver resurgence or literally whatever.

But instead they're sticking hard to rehashing, and not taking any risks at all. Maybe that will stop with the new production facilities, but we'll see.
AoS seems to take more risks than 40k (which seems ironic), but goes for very tiny faction releases to mitigate it.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Personally I find the starter box thing a bit hard to believe. Even if its just the new stuff, a speeder, bikes and a new tank in one set seems unlikely.

But if they were, and OG marines got 2 wounds like they should have, and numarines got levelled down to common sense (confirming that codices are imperial propaganda, therefore accounting for the grav malarkey and bristle cannons everywhere on the relatively undercosted numarine armor and transports), then even I might pull the trigger on an update to the marine wing of the collection...

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Personally I find the starter box thing a bit hard to believe. Even if its just the new stuff, a speeder, bikes and a new tank in one set seems unlikely.

I mean, all of that in one set? Yeah. Not gonna happen.

But the bikes and speeder coming as part of a Shadowspear styled set, built around an Outrider Detachment? Plausible.
The tank getting released on its own at the same time? Plausible.

BrianDavion wrote:

 jeff white wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

First of all who are the 3rd party profits you mention, because GW would be first party in this scenario. It's been proven time and again, large volumes of new releases suck. Cartoonish is subjective opinion.

To top it off, growth for the sakes of growth is the intent of any profit driven organisation, they want to grow so more people play and buy. Weirdly since you need an opponent to play with, that is actually good for you.

The third parties are stakeholders without investment in the outcome of those who inhabit the community and through their daily microtransations make corporate profits possible, i.e. the tradtitional Friedmanian "shareholder".
Shareholders are not the primary stakeholders in a contemporary business ethic.

Cartoonish is more objective than you will allow, it seems. We used to have tanks that sacrificed troop carrying capacity for extra power packs for extra energy weapons. Now we have transports that only carry noobs that fly and pack more whallop at the same time and if such power resources are a concern, they are not on the same scale. Cartoonish.

There is a difference between healthy organ in a healthy ecosystem and imperial bubble blowers for capital gain.


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BrianDavion wrote:


I think his disney comparison is proof that he's not firing on all cylinders myself. Disney's had a pheonminal last few years. and that doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

Have they? Really?

in 2019 they've cracked the billion dollar mark 6 times. (frozen II, Toy Story 4, Aladin, Captain Marvel, The Lioon King, and Avegers endgame, which set a world record) Rise of Skywalker will almost certainly likewise pass the billion dollar mark.

But in relation to Star Wars which was, I believe, the original point of reference, they're floundering. Disney paid 4bn dollars for Star Wars, and even if you make generous assumptions when estimating stuff(marketing budget and reshoot numbers on the conservative end of what's possible, merchandising sales of any significance, and a 50% take of the global box office for each movie) they've made at best 2-2.5bn from the IP, prior to TRoS & The Mandalorian. In other words, after eight years and five movies, in the best case scenario, and assuming the presently released products do very well, they've broken even. With what was one of if not the biggest movie franchises ever to exist, prior to the MCU being a thing.

Nobody sane can believe that's a success story, either by Disney's standards or just in general.

and no, shareholders have a vested intreast in the sucess of the product, the idea that the people who invest money into the game somehow have less of an intreast then a rabid fan, is... rediculas.

This comment is just funny IMO. Shareholders have a vested interest in exactly two things; the share price of the company, and the size & frequency of the dividends. Many shareholders are funds, not people, and a company like GW is a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the total money they're handling. GW could go broke and collapse into a black hole tomorrow, and most of the groups who hold shares outwith the company's own employees would barely even notice. And we know for a certainty that shareholders don't give a gak how their actual interests are maintained, because they didn't make a fething peep in all the years Kirby was cutting the company to the bone and then trying for the marrow for good measure, relying on an ever-shrinking population of whales to keep things afloat while their market share radically declined, and why would they, for a long time what he was doing kept the share price up and the dividends flowing, which is all they care about.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
GW's share price / sales / profits suggest a healthy community. Unless someone wants to argue an angry " community" - a word which used in a hobby context usually means " my small world view" - Is somehow still throwing money at GW. Repeatedly.

Putting aside the specifics(GW actually do seem to be in a reasonably good place at the moment, community wise, though I'm not sure how solid that position is given how much of it seems to be based on canny marketing/community management) - see above. For years, the community was, broadly, angry(really, in the end, depressed), but the company managed to keep its share price and profits mostly steady or growing a bit, because they changed their strategy from targeting a broad base of gamer customers and long-term veterans/grogs(with the goal of turning the former into the latter), to a small base of HHHobbyists who'd pay any price for their plastic crack providing it had a GW logo on the box and rolling new customers for as much as they could in their initial couple of purchases(after which they gave no gaks whether they stuck around or not).

Voss wrote:

 Segersgia wrote:


Third: Games Workshop is currently doing extremely well in profits, so they are currently in a position of taking risks with what they sell.

Too bad they're not taking risks, though.

Instead their rehashing the codex cycle at triple speed (plus extra rules revisions), and not pushing new products without limited time only boxed sets that seem to far underestimate demand (intentionally, so they're guaranteed to sell out). Even Sisters required the community survey to do the heavy lifting of taking a 'risk.' And they still hedged their bets with a monopose box 3 months before the actual release to gauge interest and demand. (Which is good business, but not taking risks)

With the current setting state, half the imperium in the dark for a century plus timey-whimey warp nonsense, this would be the perfect time to take a risk and push a new* faction or xenos army, either something brand new, or howling in from the halo stars or enslaver resurgence or literally whatever.

But instead they're sticking hard to rehashing, and not taking any risks at all. Maybe that will stop with the new production facilities, but we'll see.
AoS seems to take more risks than 40k (which seems ironic), but goes for very tiny faction releases to mitigate it.

Whoops. That one slipped up. Didn’t want to imply they’re taking risks. Wanted to actually say that they are in a position where they could take risks, but aren’t.

 Sentineil wrote:
I can't wait for Xenos to get a release, just so I can go into the thread and endlessly complain about it not being Primaris and why Xenos are bad.

Maybe then I'll understand why everyone incessantly does it, and I too will become Woke to GeeDubya (this takes so much more effort than GW, but I guess it's edgy!).

God damn those businesses observing sales data and year on year growth trends when the real customers know best! Everyone knows that the best way to generate profit and growth isn't to target your largest demographic, it's to re-release Finecast Xenos in plastic! Because everyone totally won't complain that they have to re-buy their existing minis...

You mean like the endless complaining by SM players prior to supplements?? Because you know they didn't get to have their cake their cake and eat it too.

 Argive wrote:

You mean like the endless complaining by SM players prior to supplements?? Because you know they didn't get to have their cake their cake and eat it too.

You mean the "endless complaining" that was centered primarily around them dragging it out in a ridiculous manner when they could have been releasing other stuff?

It feels more likely that we'll see the new stuff on the open day, than have to wait till june/july.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Argive wrote:

You mean like the endless complaining by SM players prior to supplements?? Because you know they didn't get to have their cake their cake and eat it too.

You mean the "endless complaining" that was centered primarily around them dragging it out in a ridiculous manner when they could have been releasing other stuff?

You'd be ignoring the constant invasion of threads by certain persons to rail about how "bad" marines are or to whine about IG Infantry Squad.
It's funny when people say GW doesn't listens to the forums. Judging by how much they overshot with the Marine rules, it seems like they were listening too well!

 Sentineil wrote:
Maybe then I'll understand why everyone incessantly does it

You'll need a WHOLE LOT more neglect than this to even begin to understand pal, lol.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sentineil wrote:
Maybe then I'll understand why everyone incessantly does it

You'll need a WHOLE LOT more neglect than this to even begin to understand pal, lol.

Good grief, you should go to a support group and tell them of the tremendous neglect gw has caused upon you and all the unsuspecting players.

This is getting ridiculous.

Mchagen wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sentineil wrote:
Maybe then I'll understand why everyone incessantly does it

You'll need a WHOLE LOT more neglect than this to even begin to understand pal, lol.

Good grief, you should go to a support group and tell them of the tremendous neglect gw has caused upon you and all the unsuspecting players.

This is getting ridiculous.

it's even more absurd when you realize Hybrid is a sisters of battle player. you know that army that's getting a MASSIVE release coming up sometime this month?

BrianDavion wrote:
it's even more absurd when you realize Hybrid is a sisters of battle player. you know that army that's getting a MASSIVE release coming up sometime this month?

I think you've missed the point, it shouldn't be about the 'most neglected' tripe--the same off topic downward spiral that drives these threads to irrelevancy.

I'd like to comment more about this new 'landspeeder,' but one blurry leak attempt by gw isn't sufficient. I keep checking back in to see any updates and all I'm left with is the same group of people spam-posting this site to oblivion.

Mchagen wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
it's even more absurd when you realize Hybrid is a sisters of battle player. you know that army that's getting a MASSIVE release coming up sometime this month?

I think you've missed the point, it shouldn't be about the 'most neglected' tripe--the same off topic downward spiral that drives these threads to irrelevancy.

I'd like to comment more about this new 'landspeeder,' but one blurry leak attempt by gw isn't sufficient. I keep checking back in to see any updates and all I'm left with is the same group of people spam-posting this site to oblivion.

ohh I agree. you get these threads buried with people complaining about marines, and it's the same handful of people. It got so bad on the Psykic awakening thread the mods started issuing bans.

I wish Dakka would impose a thread tax policy like other forum boards.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Seems pretty odd that they didn't include these in the 4 month old Space Marine Codex. There's no way these weren't finished models even before the codex released. One reason I stopped playing 40k was the constant invalidation of books even months after release. I guess in this case the Codex isnt invalid, but when I used to buy a codex, I expected that for at least a year I wouldn't need any other rules documents and models. If Primaris are released at this rate, how long till SM codex 3.0 and 6 more supplements to buy?

Amen. Entire year without more marine models would be nice. Oee can hope

Almost as though the game should have rules through a loving PDF and we should stop giving GW money for their printed material overall!

Well the ebook saves you 7e if you go for less convenient epub that's pain in the ass to look up mid game or 0.5e if you go for more usable enchanced edition but then you need to buy ipad with the apple tax just for that. The 320e or so for cheapest apple in local store means I need to just buy 640 codexes to break even


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BrianDavion wrote:

Mchagen wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sentineil wrote:
Maybe then I'll understand why everyone incessantly does it

You'll need a WHOLE LOT more neglect than this to even begin to understand pal, lol.

Good grief, you should go to a support group and tell them of the tremendous neglect gw has caused upon you and all the unsuspecting players.

This is getting ridiculous.

it's even more absurd when you realize Hybrid is a sisters of battle player. you know that army that's getting a MASSIVE release coming up sometime this month?

Which have been neglected for about 2 decades and will be sitting with xenos on trible updates for the next couple decades again.