jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
That sword us quite neat with the openings in the blade.

 warboss wrote:
Since these are plastics, are they supposed to be available through the normal GW webstore? Or do you have to faff about (pun intended) with currency conversion/VAT/sorcery over on the FW site? It's been many years since my last FW order.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Am I misremembering something or didn’t the first incarnation of the Minotaurs chapter use back-to-back axes as their chapter symbol or something?

 warboss wrote:
It is cool. I just hope (unreasonably) that it's not to let the blood flow toward the hilt for easier sipping because all Blood Angels are space vampires now unfortunately.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Am I misremembering something or didn’t the first incarnation of the Minotaurs chapter use back-to-back axes as their chapter symbol or something?

 Nazrak wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Am I misremembering something or didn’t the first incarnation of the Minotaurs chapter use back-to-back axes as their chapter symbol or something?

You may be mixing them up with the Executioners, who are an IF successor with Rann as their founding Chapter Master.

 Binabik15 wrote:
Imperial Fists hero leading a ragtag band of Imperial and Crimaon Fists and Black Templars through the heart (or aftermath?) of some titanic conflict sounds nice. Is there a nice little blurb about a remarkable conflict involving all three chapters that wasn't Black Library'd into a trilogy waxing about the shoe size and breakfast preferences of each heroic hero SM doing hero things? Just enough to get the ideas flowing. Or I'll just go with "they came together for punitive action against the Ork empire of Waaagh-I-can't-remember-right-now - it went badly".

 Binabik15 wrote:
Ok, Fafnir looks like it'de be no a huge deal to saw through his tighs and get some lenght in there. The plates cover up enough in case it makes his thighs looks gangly. I thought it was a resin mini, heh. Painting IFs is really calling to me right now, so I guess I'll buy a GW character clampack for the first time since... I dunno, three years or so.


Imperial Fists hero leading a ragtag band of Imperial and Crimaon Fists and Black Templars through the heart (or aftermath?) of some titanic conflict sounds nice. Is there a nice little blurb about a remarkable conflict involving all three chapters that wasn't Black Library'd into a trilogy waxing about the shoe size and breakfast preferences of each heroic hero SM doing hero things? Just enough to get the ideas flowing. Or I'll just go with "they came together for punitive action against the Ork empire of Waaagh-I-can't-remember-right-now - it went badly".

Already got half a dozen shooty CF converted from when I had the urge to make my Primaris from multiple sets into character units for a ton of chapters.

IF could be breachers (CC and a melta and flamer guy maybe) and maybe a Termi. For the Templars I'm stumped, mostly scout dudes to contrast with the other chapters, maybe? I really love the massive bling of their Sword Brethren, but then they might outbling Fafnir and the Fists and draw all the attention.

Been sent a big chunk of stuff regarding rules, going to be reading it this week and hopefully will have something up by the end of this week, one thing that stands out straight away is basically another 'phase' has been added called, Reactions, seems very interesting.

 zedmeister wrote:
Valrak just posted this on B&C, so usual salt required:

Been sent a big chunk of stuff regarding rules, going to be reading it þis week and hopefully will have someþing up by þe end of þis week, one þing þat stands out straight away is basically anoþer 'phase' has been added called, Reactions, seems very interesting.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I'm very curious to see what GW does with the HH. There's a big chunk of the player base that will flip the table if they change things too much, but you've got to believe that GW is itching to disrupt the game to create more of a market for add-ons as they're doing with their other games.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I'm very curious to see what GW does with the HH. There's a big chunk of the player base that will flip the table if they change things too much, but you've got to believe that GW is itching to disrupt the game to create more of a market for add-ons as they're doing with their other games.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Valrak just posted this on B&C, so usual salt required:

Been sent a big chunk of stuff regarding rules, going to be reading it þis week and hopefully will have someþing up by þe end of þis week, one þing þat stands out straight away is basically anoþer 'phase' has been added called, Reactions, seems very interesting.

I'm very curious to see what GW does with the HH. There's a big chunk of the player base that will flip the table if they change things too much, but you've got to believe that GW is itching to disrupt the game to create more of a market for add-ons as they're doing with their other games.

zedmeister wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I'm very curious to see what GW does with the HH. There's a big chunk of the player base that will flip the table if they change things too much, but you've got to believe that GW is itching to disrupt the game to create more of a market for add-ons as they're doing with their other games.

Hoping it's an evolution of the existing system, incorporating improvements. I think some of the fear is around having 30k join the relentless 40k treadmill...

Racerguy180 wrote:
It's not like the fear is unfounded.

So I think the big answer is given to us on a monthly basis, namely Andy Hoare. Now he manages six games (AT, AI, Necromunda, Blood Bowl, The Old World and Heresy). Given that Andy Hoare runs heresy, I think it's pretty clear its his team of rules writers who will also be working on Heresy (especially given that they work on one heresy game, already!). That's:

- Barnes (whose career includes as mentioned above a lot of FFG work with Hoare and Bligh, and since joining SG, Necromunda, AI, AT, under Hoare).
- Jonathan Taylor-Yorke (very prominent in SG media about 2017-19 for AT and Necromunda, but also one of the leads on AI and BB 2nd edition last year; his facebook currently shows a lot of Old World love too)
- Tom Clarke (who joined SG in March 2018, after leaving his Phd - check out his Twitter, this great Voxcast interview. You can also read his Grandmaster series on AT.)

Barnes, JTY and Clarke have consistently worked together on the other SG games - AI, AT, Necromunda and Blood Bowl - under Andy Hoare. So it makes sense - after Hoare took over Heresy in the year prior to the pandemic (after the 2019 weekender when he isn't in the Heresy seminars, or at the latest after Anuj Malhotra had his final day in November 2020) - they also moved "over" to work on HH, as they also seem to be doing for TOW.

TBH, I am not sure if Wyllie are still with FW, though, but Anuj's message does suggest that he still was at the end of 2020. However it is clear now that his former co-writer, Hoare, is his boss, if he is still in the studio. And Hoare doesn't seem like the person to leave Neil alone on the project, especially as he has the aforementioned "team" of reliable collaborators who were (and potentially still are) seemingly in the same room (if Hewitt's description of FW from 2017 is correct - "Forge World, everyone is all in one room.")

But more seriously, I play - and rewrite for my group - Necromunda, I love the old (sometimes spotty) FFG books, and am very familiar with their (often flawed, yet still brilliant) work.

But for me thats ok. What matters always is the world building and imagination of the games - and that’s something SG have in spades. You see what this has done with Necromunda - where the FFG supplement approach hasn't yielded a strong game, per se, but such a strong world-building that emulates a RPG model. Despite the former, and perhaps because of the latter, people build and play, irrespective of the game's shaky state, and it's become a huge success. AI and AT and BB don't have a patch on how messy Necromunda is, but overall each are strong games - if not "competitive" or "perfect" games, as such. But as we know, neither quite was heresy itself.

I guess heresy has the issue of somehow being both a fluff-driven, primarily campaign-playtested, non-competitve game - and a competitive game where people extensively mathshammer everything about it so as to create the most monster lists possible.

In Necromunda the game breaks I think when the latter occurs - when gangs with too many credits buy things with too many flawed or ott rules and make too easy monsters. However, the errant rules can just be "for he arbitrator" to smooth over, but that becomes harder the larger the game, the more reticent the playing group to such changes or the more competitive the environment.

It will be cool to see where the game goes, and what the studio's inclination is - and if those rumoured three ways to play really come into the game.

 Dysartes wrote:
OK, I give, what's with the weird characters in that quoted post?

 Jack Flask wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
OK, I give, what's with the weird characters in that quoted post?

It's the letter/linguistic symbol for the English 'th' sound.

Why it's there I don't know...

 Gert wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I'm very curious to see what GW does with the HH. There's a big chunk of the player base that will flip the table if they change things too much, but you've got to believe that GW is itching to disrupt the game to create more of a market for add-ons as they're doing with their other games.

What do you mean by add-ons? Like supplements and campaign books?

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
As others have stated, book churn. Just look at what the state of necromunda is. I was also thinking of things like the endless release of add-on cards as well.