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Looked away from this 5read for a few days and it’s all name calling and more arguing about monopose. God this place is miserable as f@ck some times.

If old marines were “polypose” you can keep it, they were garbage.

The new mk 6 ones are not easy build according to warhammer community you have options of grenades, bayonets, sergeant weapons.

I'm personally stoked for these, they'll make fine additions to my XXth, likely as seekers and veteran squads. I imagine there will be some cool looking Legion-specific upgrade boxes or FW additions worth working into them.

Might pick up a couple of extra boxes and start on my intended IXth as I'm feeling in the mood to add a loyalist faction. Fascinated to see the amount of vitriol here, I'm personally stoked to see HH moving into the big leagues with these plastic releases and fully happy to splash my cash on it, sorry others aren't, you'll be missed at the gaming tables I guess.

Now to resume sending letters to Forge World demanding the Dark Mechanicum for the Martian Civil War! My sneaky hydra bois need an ally!

Im hoping the difference in size/proportion between these and my hordes of Mk3 and Mk4 marines won't be too noticeable. Pretty sweet kit, Im sure some are going to be annoyed that they don't come with special or heavy weapons so that they can be fielded in 40k as tactical marines, but I'm fine with it. Bolters with straps and bayonets just look *chefs kiss*

Andykp wrote:
Looked away from this 5read for a few days and it’s all name calling and more arguing about monopose. God this place is miserable as f@ck some times.

If old marines were “polypose” you can keep it, they were garbage.

The new mk 6 ones are not easy build according to warhammer community you have options of grenades, bayonets, sergeant weapons.

Careful with that opinion, Whamu might accuse you of blind corporate worship and Albertorious will put you on ignore.

What a bunch of entitled whiny millennials. RT-01 was monumental—ly bad! Technically multipose, yet everything looked the same unless you knew how to use an Xacto blade. They couldn’t even hold their guns. They weren’t very detailed and what there was was very soft. They were bad models when they came out—and they were the greatest thing to have ever come out at that point.

They models are best compared to the new Necromunda gangs since I’m sure that the model they’ll be trying to repeat: big box appeal with dollar store budget. And for that they are amazing because at least they can hold their guns.

Aren't the MkIII a bit larger as the MkIV?

Could remember that the on scale with the nearly at the same time released Deathwatch (late 2016) which means they fit more to the upcoming MkVI than to the one Year older MkIV (late 2015)?

No, the height differences between the GW plastics are the same. You might get some FW resin models that are different heights but it's not noticeable en mass.

I mean it's worth pointing out that scale has never been entirely precise. I've owned these models for bloody years and it was only after all this talk that I walked past my shelves a couple of nights ago and actually noticed this... It's never made a jot of difference to me or enjoying my figures or my army or my games.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/1137726-.html

Once the little lads are running about on the table getting smushed by volkites and C beams, it doesn't matter to me one bit.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I mean it's worth pointing out that scale has never been entirely precise. I've owned these models for bloody years and it was only after all this talk that I walked past my shelves a couple of nights ago and actually noticed this... It's never made a jot of difference to me or enjoying my figures or my army or my games.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/1137726-.html

Once the little lads are running about on the table getting smushed by volkites and C beams, it doesn't matter to me one bit.

There is no way I don't come off as an donkey-cave here...but do you have a picture larger than 200 X 200? That pic is so small I can barely see any detail in the image.

Ok, so finally we get a good look at these!

What I like
• Plenty of different helmet designs, some completely new
• Plastic bayonets & chain bayonets FTW (the current FW resin ones are a PITA to assemble and break to dam easy)
• Everybody seems to get pistol holsters and grenades, no more looting for bits from other kits
• Proportions are much improved, as suspected
• Sergeant model seems to have two options for the breastplate, one of them is a new design with a more angular plate

What I don't like
• Only five discreet torsos/poses! 10 would have been a vast inprovement, considering the HH launch box ships with 40 of these.. We'll be looking at 8 exact poses of every mini
• No running / crouched poses (KT Vet Guard Kit got this one right)

While I like what I see here, I'm not convinced anymore about splurging for the launch box. If the kit had 10 unique torsos I would have bought it for sure, now I might just ebay me 10-20 and wait until more kits are announced.

This kit does make me think about a possible Mk VI Assault squad kit - will one be coming at some point? I hope so..

I don't mind the HH style weapons on the sergeants, weapon swaps are pretty much a mandatory skill for any GW hobbyist.

Will be interesting to see just how well one can make the existing FW MK VI resins to match up with these scale-wise. I hope it'll be possible somehow, since I will not be content with having only 5 poses for my entire army. Will also bring more variety if I can mix the old resins with these, as the resin ones have different looking feet, umbra bolters & backpacks.

 Togusa wrote:


There is no way I don't come off as an donkey-cave here...but do you have a picture larger than 200 X 200? That pic is so small I can barely see any detail in the image.

Sorry, try this. This is a BaC MkIV and a FW apothecary side by side, same mark of armour. The good doctor is a head higher. I have owned these minis perhaps 3 or more years, just noticed it the other night after all this talk of scale creep.

https://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2022/4/7/1137727-.jpg

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Togusa wrote:


There is no way I don't come off as an donkey-cave here...but do you have a picture larger than 200 X 200? That pic is so small I can barely see any detail in the image.

Sorry, try this. This is a BaC MkIV and a FW apothecary side by side, same mark of armour. The good doctor is a head higher. I have owned these minis perhaps 3 or more years, just noticed it the other night after all this talk of scale creep.

https://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2022/4/7/1137727-.jpg

Thanks! I appreciate it. My eyes are horrendously broken right now and thanks to the state of healthcare in my country I can't afford to fix them at the current time! This helps me a lot!

They don't look terrible, but I am honestly thinking I might wait a year to jump back in and see what else gets updated beyond this box.

There are certain projects I had in the pipeline that these Mk6s are not going to work well for. For that purpose, I would have preferred the older parts breakdown with separate arms, shouldepads, torsos and legs.

I had been planning on picking up a few boxes, but with all of the limitations piled on by the "dynamic posing", I think I'll be okay with just getting a single sprue of 5. For the rest I might have to put out a bounty for the older resin versions and just deal with the scale difference on an as-it-comes sort of basis.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
There are certain projects I had in the pipeline that these Mk6s are not going to work well for. For that purpose, I would have preferred the older parts breakdown with separate arms, shouldepads, torsos and legs.

I had been planning on picking up a few boxes, but with all of the limitations piled on by the "dynamic posing", I think I'll be okay with just getting a single sprue of 5. For the rest I might have to put out a bounty for the older resin versions and just deal with the scale difference on an as-it-comes sort of basis.

If you want the old style ball joint torsos etc, I strongly recommend this kit. I have four of these kits myself, they are great (althoughh in the old scale). You can even twist the legs slightly with warm water to make the poses a bit more varied.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-FI/Legion-MkVI-Corvus-Armour-2016

They are "Last Chance To Buy" at FW so if you want to get them, you need to act fast.
FW also sells classic Umbra Bolters if you want the classic style bolters for em.
If you want a few more MkVI helmet variants, check the FW Raven Guard head upgrades kit

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im hoping the difference in size/proportion between these and my hordes of Mk3 and Mk4 marines won't be too noticeable. Pretty sweet kit, Im sure some are going to be annoyed that they don't come with special or heavy weapons so that they can be fielded in 40k as tactical marines, but I'm fine with it. Bolters with straps and bayonets just look *chefs kiss*

Andykp wrote:
Looked away from this 5read for a few days and it’s all name calling and more arguing about monopose. God this place is miserable as f@ck some times.

If old marines were “polypose” you can keep it, they were garbage.

The new mk 6 ones are not easy build according to warhammer community you have options of grenades, bayonets, sergeant weapons.

Careful with that opinion, Whamu might accuse you of blind corporate worship and Albertorious will put you on ignore.

Oh no!!!!!!!!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And you're the one who keeps bringing up the waist joint.

Mate, that's the hill the haters have chosen to die on. Because that is literally the only poseability difference between the old kits and the new ones that they label monopose.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im hoping the difference in size/proportion between these and my hordes of Mk3 and Mk4 marines won't be too noticeable. Pretty sweet kit, Im sure some are going to be annoyed that they don't come with special or heavy weapons so that they can be fielded in 40k as tactical marines, but I'm fine with it. Bolters with straps and bayonets just look *chefs kiss*

Andykp wrote:
Looked away from this 5read for a few days and it’s all name calling and more arguing about monopose. God this place is miserable as f@ck some times.

If old marines were “polypose” you can keep it, they were garbage.

The new mk 6 ones are not easy build according to warhammer community you have options of grenades, bayonets, sergeant weapons.

Careful with that opinion, Whamu might accuse you of blind corporate worship and Albertorious will put you on ignore.

This did make me chuckle

Loving the look of the new MKVIs, the proportions make them some of my favourite "Firstborn" marines so far. They will look amazing painted up in Raven Guard colours.

If I have to be picky (I have to make sure that I'm not accused of being a GW shill, after all) I'll mention that I'm not a big fan of the one wide pose set of legs, but that's a minor thing.

Excited for the release of the big box set!

 infinite_array wrote:
Shame that there doesn't seem to be any special or heavy weapons included like the Mk III or IV sets. And a lack of the basic bolt pistol and chainsword for the sergeant.

Someone suggested in a FB chat that we might get 5-man support/heavy support box set.

My thoughts as well. Really hoping they just didn't show them for one reason or another....though I suspect the reason is that they probably aren't included in the kit.

Nice looking kit however, I wouldn't mind having a squad or two in an army. Don't think I would want to field a hundred or so of them due to the repeated posing. Fortunately converting them to have a heavy/special with Mk III or IV bits will be pretty easy.

I expect the sprues simply don't some with any of those options, since HH marine organization doesn't use them. Instead, they might make 5-man heavy or special weapon squad sprues.

The possible lack of chainswords and bolt pistols in that Set is strange.

There was a rumor for an "auxillary set" with weapon options for Sergeants in plastic. Maybe is this true?

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I expect the sprues simply don't some with any of those options, since HH marine organization doesn't use them. Instead, they might make 5-man heavy or special weapon squad sprues.

One of the rumors said GW will sell smaller FW Sets in their own Stores as another test run and will offer special weapon packs for those Squads.

RazorEdge wrote:
The possible lack of chainswords and bolt pistols in that Set is strange.

There was a rumor for an "auxillary set" with weapon options for Sergeants. Maybe is this true?

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I expect the sprues simply don't some with any of those options, since HH marine organization doesn't use them. Instead, they might make 5-man heavy or special weapon squad sprues.

One of the rumors said GW is testing more FW sells in GW Stores and will offer special weapon packs for those Squads.

Honestly, if I end up having to use FW's gakky resin, I'd rather use my own.

Found the rumor on faeit:

It's a set with different weapon options (in the same fashion like for Necromunda and those close weapon sets from FW) which couldn't fit into the regulary Horus Heresy sprues.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2022/03/horus-heresy-rumors-space-marine.html

What do you think, credible with view on what we know about the MkVI Tactical Squad?

Given this boxed set is supposed to come with a contemptor, a spartan and so on, the box is going to be filled to the brim, I can tell you from experience that with the plastic Mk IVs and IIIs, we ended up with a slew of special and heavy weapons we didn't use. Also given the rumors/leaks, standard 30k era tacticals with bolters are back with a vengeance and the days of the endless ennui of 'Pride of the Legion' for cheap armies is over (as is plasma spamming).

It makes absolute sense to cram useful items into the box and keep special/heavy weapons to their own boxes or separate sprues for later addition. The vast desire for those boxed set marines will be as bolter carrying tacticals. Veteran Squads and despoilers are dramatically more limited in their scope, appeal and number needed.

RazorEdge wrote:
Found the rumor on faeit:

It's a set with different weapon options (in the same fashion like for Necromunda and those close weapon sets from FW) which couldn't fit into the regulary Horus Heresy sprues.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2022/03/horus-heresy-rumors-space-marine.html

What do you think, credible with view on what we know about the MkVI Tactical Squad?

Unless the NuBeakies release turns out to be a flop, I'd say this is going to be very likely.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Given this boxed set is supposed to come with a contemptor, a spartan and so on, the box is going to be filled to the brim, I can tell you from experience that with the plastic Mk IVs and IIIs, we ended up with a slew of special and heavy weapons we didn't use. Also given the rumors/leaks, standard 30k era tacticals with bolters are back with a vengeance and the days of the endless ennui of 'Pride of the Legion' for cheap armies is over (as is plasma spamming).

It makes absolute sense to cram useful items into the box and keep special/heavy weapons to their own boxes or separate sprues for later addition. The vast desire for those boxed set marines will be as bolter carrying tacticals. Veteran Squads and despoilers are dramatically more limited in their scope, appeal and number needed.

Oh, I very much used them all, and eventually bough bits of more! Just not to make tactical squads with them.

Honestly these models look excellent and make me sad to realize we’re unlikely to see any properly proportioned mkiii any time soon.

The paint jobs on these look great, too. Tons of shading work done on these. I know a lot of people are sad that they no longer do the “sponge on chips everywhere” weathered look, but I kinda like the cleaner look. It adds nice contrast to the range for legions that are known for getting grimy like DG and WE.

I’m curious to see the new studio rendition of iron hands and if they’ll still do the “oil slick” look.

The only real difference I see with the SoH specifically is the green. The earlier stuff (SoH Command Squad, Loken) have more of a blue tinge whereas more recent models (SoH Praetor, MkVI Marines) are more green since they use the SoH Green paint.

I love how these look, really awesome. I might grab some for my 40k marines and add to my Indomitus stuff.

cowboy marine stan lol
also, big skull

Quasistellar wrote:
Honestly these models look excellent and make me sad to realize we’re unlikely to see any properly proportioned mkiii any time soon.

True, I imagine the two existing plastics would be the last two to be upgraded. But I do think this means we are close to plastic MkII and plastic MkV, which I love. Also, can you imagine the raging from people who've paid for MkIIIs if they released a reproportioned MkIII this soon?

Maybe in 5 or 6 years I'll be ok with trading out my current tactical squads of MkIV, but I'd be a bit miffed if they were 'upgraded' now.


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 Gert wrote:
The only real difference I see with the SoH specifically is the green. The earlier stuff (SoH Command Squad, Loken) have more of a blue tinge whereas more recent models (SoH Praetor, MkVI Marines) are more green since they use the SoH Green paint.

I like this green a lot better, the previous looked too much like nonmetallic Alpha Legion to me. This has more identity to it.




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 Togusa wrote:

They don't look terrible, but I am honestly thinking I might wait a year to jump back in and see what else gets updated beyond this box.

I think that's a good idea, it's a big fiscal commitment. For me, I left 40k behind some years ago and went all in to Heresy so it's a continuation rather than an initial dive into a new game. As I understand it, almost everything currently in resin is going plastic, with the exceptions (currently) of the legion specific units and characters. I hope you'll make the jump when you feel ready, I've been amazed at the positive differences I've found in the 30k community and it really lifted my gaming experiences which had dwindled over time from my heyday of 5th.

What this kit really makes me want to do is build a lovely 1st/2nd edition army with all the modern (retro) kits.