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2022/05/20 15:30:25
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Blood Angels
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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Albertorius wrote:Leo_the_Rat wrote:@ Wha-mu - I'm sure it's me but I don't see anything wrong with the picture of the head. Could you point out what the problem with it is?
The layer lines all over it, when it's a FW model instead of a printed at home one?
Are those the small wave-like lines I see? I just thought they were supposed to represent some sort of energy eminating from the helmet.
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2022/05/20 15:37:15
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Terrifying Wraith
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I don't understand the argument against one piece studded shoulder pads, they've been making them since like the 80s and they've always been fine
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2022/05/20 16:01:46
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Terrifying Doombull
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Billicus wrote:I don't understand the argument against one piece studded shoulder pads, they've been making them since like the 80s and they've always been fine
They've 'always been' smooshed and stretched.
Find a good picture of both- the difference on the studs, particularly in the lower right and left, is pretty stark.
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2022/05/20 16:20:44
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Voss wrote:Billicus wrote:I don't understand the argument against one piece studded shoulder pads, they've been making them since like the 80s and they've always been fine
They've 'always been' smooshed and stretched.
Find a good picture of both- the difference on the studs, particularly in the lower right and left, is pretty stark.
I tend to think they're both a bad compromise. The old ones with the stretched studs didn't look particularly good, and these ones have the seam line in such a horrible place to try and clean up (between the studs). You can see in some of the GW videos where they haven't tried to fix the seam it's ugly, it can be made invisible with some work but it's not fun work especially when you are going to be doing it 40+ times. For a one off character model, sure, that's fine, I'll spend a few minutes fixing the seam, for 40+ infantry, urgh.
I would almost prefer they modify the design and put an actual panel line there, or come up with a better way of doing it.
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2022/05/20 17:45:29
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Well, well, well... it seems I have my 15mm beakie needs covered already:
Or some, at least...
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0010/03/13 17:47:51
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Terrifying Wraith
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Yeah, it's a horrible solution - nobody is going to want to sort out that join on 40 shoulder pads. Are we saying because the studs are a bit irregular on the old ones it was worth just ruining the model to have more uniform round studs? Madness.
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2022/05/20 18:08:45
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Dakka Veteran
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Billicus wrote:Yeah, it's a horrible solution - nobody is going to want to sort out that join on 40 shoulder pads. Are we saying because the studs are a bit irregular on the old ones it was worth just ruining the model to have more uniform round studs? Madness.
Unless you're remodelling the deformed bonding studs you don't have a leg to stand on. The seem is by far the less intrusive compromise. Imagine that, having to hide a seem when building a model kit. Madness.
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2022/05/20 18:11:09
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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JSG wrote:Billicus wrote:Yeah, it's a horrible solution - nobody is going to want to sort out that join on 40 shoulder pads. Are we saying because the studs are a bit irregular on the old ones it was worth just ruining the model to have more uniform round studs? Madness.
Unless you're remodelling the deformed bonding studs you don't have a leg to stand on. The seem is by far the less intrusive compromise. Imagine that, having to hide a seem when building a model kit. Madness.
Imagine people preferring malformed side studs instead and not insulting other peoples' preferences.
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2022/05/20 18:21:58
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Imagine that some prefer to spend bit more effort to have higher quality product in the end. Madness.
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2022/05/20 18:23:27
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Everyone that has bought space marines has several dozen spare shoulder pads, if these new ones aren't to their liking. Not that I'd ever expect that to stem the tide of dakka whimpering ofc.
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2022/05/20 18:25:32
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Dakka Veteran
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Albertorius wrote:JSG wrote:Billicus wrote:Yeah, it's a horrible solution - nobody is going to want to sort out that join on 40 shoulder pads. Are we saying because the studs are a bit irregular on the old ones it was worth just ruining the model to have more uniform round studs? Madness.
Unless you're remodelling the deformed bonding studs you don't have a leg to stand on. The seem is by far the less intrusive compromise. Imagine that, having to hide a seem when building a model kit. Madness.
Imagine people preferring malformed side studs instead and not insulting other peoples' preferences.
LMAO.
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2022/05/20 18:26:40
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Posts with Authority
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Albertorius wrote:Well, well, well... it seems I have my 15mm beakie needs covered already:
Or some, at least...
Gorgeous. GASing hard for an Epic remake from GW!
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2022/05/20 20:00:42
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Stretched studs could be fixed with a touch of filing and/or painting the offending section a darker color to fake it.
These new pads seem like they'll be a bit more work but offer superior results.
If that's a worthwhile tradeoff is up to each person, but if we're all very lucky mkV armor will come with stetched pads and the two camps can have a mutually beneficial trade. Plus it'd be a fun little giggle at mkV having shoddier construction in real life to match the fluff.
All assuming we get a mkV box, of course, and that people are patient enough to wait for it or find alternative solutions until then. Or I suppose a mkVI assault squad. Those might need to save on sprue space so I can imagine GW using stetched stud pads to make room for jump packs and chainswords.
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2022/05/21 01:58:07
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Billicus wrote:Yeah, it's a horrible solution - nobody is going to want to sort out that join on 40 shoulder pads. Are we saying because the studs are a bit irregular on the old ones it was worth just ruining the model to have more uniform round studs? Madness.
I think it depends how good you want your models to look and how much time you're willing to put into it.
The seam line is ugly, and will maybe take a few minutes to fix on each model, but once it's fixed the shoulder pad looks good. I think that's a good option for a character model where you'll likely be spending a few hours on them anyway and a bad option on a horde of rank and file dudes.
The stretched studs, they also don't look great and I think it's a coin toss which one I dislike more, but to fix them will be a pain in the arse, so if you're going for a display quality model they're going to be a pain in the arse.
The best option IMO is neither, there's a few options that get around the problem entirely. The four options that come to my mind, add an actual panel line to the shoulder pad, use resin instead of plastic for the shoulder pad, use slide moulds to allow undercuts, or do a 3 part shoulder pad where the studs are grouped on a separate piece that pushes through from the back with the join lines hidden around the base of the studs.
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2022/05/21 06:38:59
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Been Around the Block
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:The four options that come to my mind, add an actual panel line to the shoulder pad,
Maybe, but the line would go through some studs. use resin instead of plastic for the shoulder pad
Horribly expensive and logistically impractical. use slide moulds to allow undercuts
I'm not sure that actually works in this case, and if it did the mould lines would be complicated or do a 3 part shoulder pad where the studs are grouped on a separate piece that pushes through from the back with the join lines hidden around the base of the studs.
I'm not sure what you mean? It seems to me that the holes would have to be angled in a manner that is incompatible with two part steel moulds.
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2022/05/21 06:51:54
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Keel wrote:AllSeeingSkink wrote:The four options that come to my mind, add an actual panel line to the shoulder pad,
Maybe, but the line would go through some studs.
It could be made to go around the studs, maybe have it so one stud is on one panel and the stud above it is on the other panel, so it's like the studs are joining the panels.
I appreciate that changes the aesthetic and gives it a less "clean" look, but I think it'd be a good aesthetic compromise to the assembly compromises we currently have.
use resin instead of plastic for the shoulder pad
Horribly expensive and logistically impractical.
It's only expensive in GW land where resin = FW = poor quality = absurdly expensive.
use slide moulds to allow undercuts
I'm not sure that actually works in this case, and if it did the mould lines would be complicated
I think it works but it'd take some design work. GW have used slide moulds in the past, but rarely, so I don't know what their capability it in that regard.
Mould lines are a lot easier to clean up than seam lines, so even if there were more lines to clean up that'd be my preference.
or do a 3 part shoulder pad where the studs are grouped on a separate piece that pushes through from the back with the join lines hidden around the base of the studs.
I'm not sure what you mean? It seems to me that the holes would have to be angled in a manner that is incompatible with two part steel moulds.
The holes through the shoulder pad would have to be in line with the mould parting direction (so cutting through at an angle), but the studs would be case separately (as a tree of 3 or 5 studs depending on how you do it, so you don't have to glue in 12 studs individually but rather glue in an assembly of multiple studs). The studs down the middle of the pad could be included in the main pad rather than a separate piece because they're in the direction of the mould parting anyway.
I think it'd work, but I'd have to CAD it up to check.
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2022/05/21 09:06:12
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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GMG just posted an unboxing of the models and the rules
Models:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRg7m-Xu1kI
Rules:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn18EFRbYt0
So we may be looking at a preorder next week?
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20200/05/21 20:37:02
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Emboldened Warlock
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Here is my unboxing of the Age of Darkness launch box.
High-res sprue pics? Check.
Covering all assembly & weapon options? Check.
First look at the contents of the new rulebook? Check.
Have a look here: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/05/first-look-the-horus-heresy-age-of-darkness-launch-set-unboxing/
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2022/05/21 09:12:28
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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So, the Mark VIs are a single sprue plus a small options one instead of the triple ones used for the Mark IIIs and IVs.
I'm sure that for them it will be very good, what with a third of the price for the same retail value, but for me it's very disappointing to see they're going the Necromunda way.
Good to see you can plop in whatever arms and heads you want, at least.
Also confirmed the splitted shoulder pads and how much real space they take in the sprue...
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2022/05/21 09:17:11
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Albertorius wrote:So, the Mark VIs are a single sprue plus a small options one instead of the triple ones used for the Mark IIs and IIIs.
I'm sure that for them it will be very good, what with a third of the price for the same retail value, but for me it's very disappointing to see they're going the Necromunda way.
Good to see you can plop in whatever arms and heads you want, at least.
Also confirmed the splitteds shoulder pad and how much real space they take in the sprue...
Yeah I don’t like that. Could have easily gone with 10 unique poses for the same sprues as the other Mks. (Although I don’t agree about the space the split shoulder pads take up, it’s barely more than the normal ones and the space you’d save wouldn’t offer anything meaningful).
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2022/05/21 09:24:19
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Crafty Bray Shaman
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It's very disappointing that there are effectively only 5 different poses for the MKVI. They should have used two sprues so that there could have been at least ten poses.
Very disappointing indeed.
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2022/05/21 09:27:30
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Albertorius wrote:So, the Mark VIs are a single sprue plus a small options one instead of the triple ones used for the Mark IIIs and IVs.
I'm sure that for them it will be very good, what with a third of the price for the same retail value, but for me it's very disappointing to see they're going the Necromunda way.
It's a bit disappointing, but if any kit can get away with only 5 poses it's probably rank and file HH marines. They're not unique distinctive designs like most Necromunda models, they don't have robes/coats that stand out when there's duplicates, it's literally just the pose. We've already seen pictures of the finished models and I didn't even notice there were only 5 poses.
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2022/05/21 09:27:31
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Albertorius wrote:Well, well, well... it seems I have my 15mm beakie needs covered already:
Or some, at least...
Terrific! When GW drops the ball 3D-printers go BRRRRRRRRRRT!
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2022/05/21 09:34:11
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Strg Alt wrote: Albertorius wrote:Well, well, well... it seems I have my 15mm beakie needs covered already:
Or some, at least...
Terrific! When GW drops the ball 3D-printers go BRRRRRRRRRRT!
By this point it really should be "3D printers go Zzzzzzzzzzz".
So with GMG, Stahly and the like showing the Heresy stuff off are we assuming it is sooner rather than later for the June release?
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2022/05/21 09:42:36
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Strg Alt wrote: Albertorius wrote:Well, well, well... it seems I have my 15mm beakie needs covered already:
Or some, at least...
Terrific! When GW drops the ball 3D-printers go BRRRRRRRRRRT!
By this point it really should be "3D printers go Zzzzzzzzzzz".
So with GMG, Stahly and the like showing the Heresy stuff off are we assuming it is sooner rather than later for the June release?
If I remember correctly we had June 11th rumored which would fit perfectly with a preorder next week and a two week preorder window
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2022/05/21 09:47:19
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Second Story Man
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the one thing that bothers me and I still find kind of strange is how wide spread the MkVI legs are
older models were made to fit 25mm base and standing with the legs spread for more stability
with the change to 32mm bases this looked less stupid as the feet were not overlapping the edge of the base
and now the MkVI are just scaled up so that the feet are on the edge of the base again
just like someone used the old sculpts and typed "print at 130%"
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2022/05/21 09:55:33
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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June 11th with a 2 week preorder window makes sense as GW tend to put these big ticket releases at the end/start of the month period when most people are getting paid.
Ash from GMG points out a couple of useful tidbits like:
Plastic Contemptor pictured with assault cannon...so points to a probable future assault cannon and close combat sprue.
The weapon sprue for the Spartan being separate with unused bits probably for a future Land Raider/ Proteus release.
Personally I see that all of the sprues have 2021 printed on them, so more fuel to the fire that this is delayed from last year?
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2022/05/21 09:56:22
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: Albertorius wrote:So, the Mark VIs are a single sprue plus a small options one instead of the triple ones used for the Mark IIIs and IVs.
I'm sure that for them it will be very good, what with a third of the price for the same retail value, but for me it's very disappointing to see they're going the Necromunda way.
It's a bit disappointing, but if any kit can get away with only 5 poses it's probably rank and file HH marines. They're not unique distinctive designs like most Necromunda models, they don't have robes/coats that stand out when there's duplicates, it's literally just the pose. We've already seen pictures of the finished models and I didn't even notice there were only 5 poses.
Dunno, it would be better to have ten poses, maybe a couple of running ones, bending the knee... you know, variation.
We got five poses, and two of those are basically identical to other two.
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2022/05/21 10:07:44
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Albertorius wrote:AllSeeingSkink wrote: Albertorius wrote:So, the Mark VIs are a single sprue plus a small options one instead of the triple ones used for the Mark IIIs and IVs.
I'm sure that for them it will be very good, what with a third of the price for the same retail value, but for me it's very disappointing to see they're going the Necromunda way.
It's a bit disappointing, but if any kit can get away with only 5 poses it's probably rank and file HH marines. They're not unique distinctive designs like most Necromunda models, they don't have robes/coats that stand out when there's duplicates, it's literally just the pose. We've already seen pictures of the finished models and I didn't even notice there were only 5 poses.
Dunno, it would be better to have ten poses, maybe a couple of running ones, bending the knee... you know, variation.
We got five poses, and two of those are basically identical to other two.
Running poses and knee poses are very identifiable with duplicate poses though, so if they start mixing those sorts of poses in then even with 10 poses the duplicates would be obvious.
As an example, look at DKoK, there's 2 kneeling poses and 2 running poses per 10 models. They look good in a squad of 10, but once you start having multiple squads those models stick out like sore thumbs as duplicates.
I don't really mind the "slowly advancing" vibe, leave the running poses for another kit of melee focused models, and the kneeling poses to some specialist models.
That said I'd rather have 10 poses than 5 of course, but I'm also not too annoyed given that I've seen the models and didn't even notice until Stahly posted the sprue pics (unlike the Ork Boyz where the duplicate poses were blatantly obvious well before seeing the sprues). Maybe now that I know it'll be something that draws my attention, dunno.
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2022/05/21 10:08:02
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Imperial Fist Upgrades + Legion Focus: Iron Hands
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ListenToMeWarriors wrote:Personally I see that all of the sprues have 2021 printed on them, so more fuel to the fire that this is delayed from last year?
Possible, but not definitive - from memory, the dates on the sprues are the year that they finished being designed, so a 2021 sprue being released in 2022 isn't necessarily delayed, they just finished designing it that year. There have been kits designed and held for release for years - I think Crowe is a recent example.
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Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
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