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2020/01/16 15:31:44
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
Non of what is being implied in the article fits with the current lore. Is the shadowseer lying, or have GW simply lost their minds? My heart will break if the latter is the case..
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Tyranid fanboy.
Been around since 3rd edition.
2020/01/16 15:34:04
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
Yes it is. Hunger isnt solely a need to eat. The description of what biotransference did to the Necron psyche is entirely consistent with this description.
Harlequins, especially Shadowseers never, ever, use plain meaning.
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2020/01/16 16:06:14
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
Sterling191 wrote: The description of what biotransference did to the Necron psyche is entirely consistent with this description.
No.
"Yet it was in lifes light that his enmity truly blossomed (his hate for all life). Not content with driving life from his own kingdom (so at this point, biotransferrance had already taken place, and his kingdom/subjects were all dead/soulless), he sought to exercise life from the wider world (the rest of the galaxy). In secret, the moved beyond the horizons of the world (the galaxy) for an age, and there he bred horrors of infinite hunger."
Necron lore tells that the silent king left the galaxy after the war in heaven, so the last bit makes sense. The him breeding anything while out there in the void is new though.
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Tyranid fanboy.
Been around since 3rd edition.
2020/01/16 16:10:20
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
Necron lore tells that the silent king left the galaxy after the war in heaven, so the last bit makes sense. The him breeding anything while out there in the void is new.
You're taking things literally. Don't.
Necrons were designed and built, then finally animated ("bred") in realspace. The War in Heaven culminated in battles both in realspace, and the Webway. Separate kingdoms and worlds.
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2020/01/16 16:29:48
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
Necron lore tells that the silent king left the galaxy after the war in heaven, so the last bit makes sense. The him breeding anything while out there in the void is new.
You're taking things literally. Don't.
No, I am not.
And there is clearly a chronology to the shadowseers story.
1: " Not content with driving life from his own kingdom.." biotransferrance has taken place, and the necrons are dead/soulless. War in heaven.
2: "In secret, he moved beyond the horizons of the world for an age.." the silent king leaves the galaxy, the war is over. Just as it is stated in the current lore.
3: "..and there he bred horrors of infinite hunger."
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Tyranid fanboy.
Been around since 3rd edition.
2020/01/16 16:42:26
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
And there is clearly a chronology to the shadowseers story.
1: " Not content with driving life from his own kingdom.." biotransferrance has taken place, and the necrons are dead/soulless. War in heaven.
2: "In secret, he moved beyond the horizons of the world for an age.." the silent king leaves the galaxy, the war is over. Just as it is stated in the current lore.
3: "..and there he bred horrors of infinite hunger."
That is one possible chronologic interpretation to that series of statements. English is exceptionally fluid when it comes to tenses translating to time courses (all three of those statements are in the imperfect past tense). There are several others, including all of them occurring concurrently.
The War in Heaven was not remotely the only time the Necrontyr came into conflict with the Old Ones.
This is a very carefully written allegory, with word and language choices to border on near-meaninglessness. Hell, I can fit Cawl, Nurgle, the Dark Mechanicus, even the Emperor into this narrative. To attribute definitive proof of the Silent King being the origin of the Tyranids to this is the height of lunacy.
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2020/01/16 16:47:20
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
Necron lore tells that the silent king left the galaxy after the war in heaven, so the last bit makes sense. The him breeding anything while out there in the void is new.
You're taking things literally. Don't.
Necrons were designed and built, then finally animated ("bred") in realspace. The War in Heaven culminated in battles both in realspace, and the Webway. Separate kingdoms and worlds.
How exactly was it done in the Webway? There's no way for Necrons to effectively fight there.
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2020/01/16 17:24:42
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
Necron lore tells that the silent king left the galaxy after the war in heaven, so the last bit makes sense. The him breeding anything while out there in the void is new.
You're taking things literally. Don't.
Necrons were designed and built, then finally animated ("bred") in realspace. The War in Heaven culminated in battles both in realspace, and the Webway. Separate kingdoms and worlds.
How exactly was it done in the Webway? There's no way for Necrons to effectively fight there.
Dolmen Gates and C’tan trickery.
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2020/01/16 17:36:59
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
Considering the current fluff says he encountered the Tyranids in the intergalactic void and returned to warn the rest of the Necrons of the threat that they pose, I think you're reading into it a bit too much. Keep in mind that the Silent King joined forced with the Blood Angels to fight *against* the Tyranids during the Gehenna Campaign.
chaos0xomega wrote: Considering the current fluff says he encountered the Tyranids in the intergalactic void and returned to warn the rest of the Necrons of the threat that they pose, I think you're reading into it a bit too much. Keep in mind that the Silent King joined forced with the Blood Angels to fight *against* the Tyranids during the Gehenna Campaign.
An in-character source is fallible and suspect. The Eldar Shadowseer could be deliberately lying and misleading. Alternatively the Shadowseer is mistaken. The Eldar are not infallible and their ancient stories and legends can be a mix of truth and mistaken conclusions/speculations.
2020/01/16 18:22:50
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
I do think that the story is very clearly saying that the necrons created the tyranids but I think it’s also a Aeldari lying to a imperial inquisitor to get the imperium to focus more on Necrons.
chaos0xomega wrote: Considering the current fluff says he encountered the Tyranids in the intergalactic void and returned to warn the rest of the Necrons of the threat that they pose, I think you're reading into it a bit too much. Keep in mind that the Silent King joined forced with the Blood Angels to fight *against* the Tyranids during the Gehenna Campaign.
Iracundus wrote: An in-character source is fallible and suspect. The Eldar Shadowseer could be deliberately lying and misleading. Alternatively the Shadowseer is mistaken. The Eldar are not infallible and their ancient stories and legends can be a mix of truth and mistaken conclusions/speculations.
That is also what I am leaning towards. Well, begging for to be honest..
Tyranid fanboy.
Been around since 3rd edition.
2020/01/16 19:31:34
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
masterofstuff1 wrote: I do think that the story is very clearly saying that the necrons created the tyranids but I think it’s also a Aeldari lying to a imperial inquisitor to get the imperium to focus more on Necrons.
I agree. Maybe its a story kick off for PA to get the necrons and imperium to go at it.
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2020/01/16 19:39:18
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
Necron lore tells that the silent king left the galaxy after the war in heaven, so the last bit makes sense. The him breeding anything while out there in the void is new.
You're taking things literally. Don't.
Necrons were designed and built, then finally animated ("bred") in realspace. The War in Heaven culminated in battles both in realspace, and the Webway. Separate kingdoms and worlds.
How exactly was it done in the Webway? There's no way for Necrons to effectively fight there.
Dolmen Gates and C’tan trickery.
Oh yes, I forgot that dumbassery.
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2020/01/16 20:39:10
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
OR just a way to explain the brand new Primecrons, wich will come to take the spot of current necrons ( and Primorks, Primenids and similar for some other races) as a way to keep us buying the new hotness for our armies.
2020/01/16 20:53:49
Subject: Re:Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
From an Eldar perspective, this makes total sense. You're an Eldar. You have strong negative feelings about the Necrons as a whole and the Silent King in particular. So, from the Eldar perspective...
1. The Silent King killed his entire race.
2. The Silent King left the galaxy.
3. The Silent King showed back up at the same time as the Tyranids.
If I hated the Silent King and I also hated the Tyranids, I could TOTALLY see being blinded by hatred and assuming that the Silent King bred the Tyranids to come back and clean house.
Literally nothing else in the lore points towards the Necrons having anything to do with the Tyranids. As has been pointed out, the only connection is that running into the Nids is what caused Szerakh to turn around and come back.
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Am I the only one who dislikes the idea of so many of the key races being 'created?' First, there's the Old Ones cooking up humans, eldar, orks and who knows what else? Now there's this. Evolution is quite fascinating and could be used quite well in this setting, given how much extreme environmental stimuli is going on. But instead, we get crazy flying frogs and salty robot skelly boys as the origin to almost everything.
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2022/05/17 00:09:34
Subject: Re:Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
ArcaneHorror wrote: Am I the only one who dislikes the idea of so many of the key races being 'created?' First, there's the Old Ones cooking up humans, eldar, orks and who knows what else? Now there's this. Evolution is quite fascinating and could be used quite well in this setting, given how much extreme environmental stimuli is going on. But instead, we get crazy flying frogs and salty robot skelly boys as the origin to almost everything.
I think you are investing too much in the term created, the ORKS were definitely an engineered bioweapon but humans were created in that our history doesn’t change it’s just that the old ones were a god like guiding hand. We still evolved from apes etc but the old ones watched and manipulated and “made” humanity what it was. I imagine it was similar with the eldar but a bit more hands on, favourite child and all. And the old ones have been gone a long time. So evolution plays a part. See abhumans for example. And purging mutants kind of acts as a bit of a break on evolution.
2020/01/17 00:24:54
Subject: Re:Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
ArcaneHorror wrote: Am I the only one who dislikes the idea of so many of the key races being 'created?' First, there's the Old Ones cooking up humans, eldar, orks and who knows what else? Now there's this. Evolution is quite fascinating and could be used quite well in this setting, given how much extreme environmental stimuli is going on. But instead, we get crazy flying frogs and salty robot skelly boys as the origin to almost everything.
I think you are investing too much in the term created, the ORKS were definitely an engineered bioweapon but humans were created in that our history doesn’t change it’s just that the old ones were a god like guiding hand. We still evolved from apes etc but the old ones watched and manipulated and “made” humanity what it was. I imagine it was similar with the eldar but a bit more hands on, favourite child and all. And the old ones have been gone a long time. So evolution plays a part. See abhumans for example. And purging mutants kind of acts as a bit of a break on evolution.
Damn right were the favourite child. Get back in the trees you humie apes
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Necron lore tells that the silent king left the galaxy after the war in heaven, so the last bit makes sense. The him breeding anything while out there in the void is new.
You're taking things literally. Don't.
Necrons were designed and built, then finally animated ("bred") in realspace. The War in Heaven culminated in battles both in realspace, and the Webway. Separate kingdoms and worlds.
How exactly was it done in the Webway? There's no way for Necrons to effectively fight there.
Sure there is. In recent novels (well, from the Path of the Eldar novels onwards, at least, if that counts as recent), people can wander around and just stand in the webway. Its a physical place where you can hack at the walls and the floors, and walk from gate to gate.
If they can rip a gate open, they can fight there.
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Personally, I like the idea of Silent Bob making the Tyranids and siccing them on the galaxy. In drops the ridiculous extra galactic travel nonsense, and tidies up some very screwy timelines, with _extremely_ ancient hive fleets (millions of years, like the one buried the Ice world in the Cain novels, but with standard tyranid critters) and various proto-tyranid or tyranid related critters on assorted deathworlds.
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2020/01/17 00:55:04
Subject: Were the tyranids created? New WD article..
Necron lore tells that the silent king left the galaxy after the war in heaven, so the last bit makes sense. The him breeding anything while out there in the void is new.
You're taking things literally. Don't.
Necrons were designed and built, then finally animated ("bred") in realspace. The War in Heaven culminated in battles both in realspace, and the Webway. Separate kingdoms and worlds.
How exactly was it done in the Webway? There's no way for Necrons to effectively fight there.
umm yes there is. there are NUMEROUS referances to fighting in the webway.
Gathering Storm 3 had fighting in the webway (Gulliman and co vs the 1k sons)
The Horus Heresy explictly notes that the Custodes where fighting in the webway after Magnus screwed up the empror's grand experiment.
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