Were the tyranids created? New WD article..

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**phillv85**

I hope this isn't the Silent King making 'nids. It was bad enough that Alien Covenant completely ruined the Alien franchise, I don't need it doing to 40k as well.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Don’t worry. Article makes it clear that Szarekh encountered the Nids on his sojourn, saw the threat they posed and hightailed it back to start organising the Dynasties so they could repulse the Nids.

**pm713**

Voss wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Andersp90 wrote:

Necron lore tells that the silent king left the galaxy after the war in heaven, so the last bit makes sense. The him breeding anything while out there in the void is new.

You're taking things literally. Don't.

Necrons were designed and built, then finally animated ("bred") in realspace. The War in Heaven culminated in battles both in realspace, and the Webway. Separate kingdoms and worlds.

How exactly was it done in the Webway? There's no way for Necrons to effectively fight there.

Sure there is. In recent novels (well, from the Path of the Eldar novels onwards, at least, if that counts as recent), people can wander around and just stand in the webway. Its a physical place where you can hack at the walls and the floors, and walk from gate to gate.

If they can rip a gate open, they can fight there.

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Personally, I like the idea of Silent Bob making the Tyranids and siccing them on the galaxy. In drops the ridiculous extra galactic travel nonsense, and tidies up some very screwy timelines, with _extremely_ ancient hive fleets (millions of years, like the one buried the Ice world in the Cain novels, but with standard tyranid critters) and various proto-tyranid or tyranid related critters on assorted deathworlds.

Until it seals them in somewhere. And there's the fact that Necrons can't do so much as open a door into it. They're so easy to contain it's ridiculous to even consider they could wage war there.

**Andersp90**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Don’t worry. Article makes it clear that Szarekh encountered the Nids on his sojourn, saw the threat they posed and hightailed it back to start organising the Dynasties so they could repulse the Nids.

Thank god.

**Gareth40K**

Never trust an Eldar.

**Sim-Life**

Andersp90 wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Don’t worry. Article makes it clear that Szarekh encountered the Nids on his sojourn, saw the threat they posed and hightailed it back to start organising the Dynasties so they could repulse the Nids.

Thank god.

That's what you get for watching clickbait.

**Gareth40K**

Never trust a YouTuber.

**nareik**

The White Dwarf article explicitly states from a narrator’s perspective that Sarah came across the Tyranids among the intergalactic void and turned back to save life in his galaxy from total annihilation. Sarah aspires to one day harness galactic life to create new living forms for his people, so they can again live with a soul.

The article itself debunks the interpretation in the op.

**pm713**

Wait if he just wants to create a new living form for his people and that leads to souls then why is it so hard?
Use their star maths magic to find a DE raid with a Haemonculus, grab them, tell them they can make bodies or live in a dimension without stimulus and watch the bodies grow.

**BrianDavion**

pm713 wrote:
Wait if he just wants to create a new living form for his people and that leads to souls then why is it so hard?
Use their star maths magic to find a DE raid with a Haemonculus, grab them, tell them they can make bodies or live in a dimension without stimulus and watch the bodies grow.

presumably because they don't have souls, it's not exactly easy to just say "yo dude, make me a soul"

**BobtheInquisitor**

Cronch wrote:
Andersp90 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Considering the current fluff says he encountered the Tyranids in the intergalactic void and returned to warn the rest of the Necrons of the threat that they pose, I think you're reading into it a bit too much. Keep in mind that the Silent King joined forced with the Blood Angels to fight *against* the Tyranids during the Gehenna Campaign.

EDIT: Also forgot about the Pharos - https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Pharos

Which is why I opened my post with "Non of what is being implied in the article fits with the current lore...".

What is more likely- GW making up lore that randomly doesn't fit anything previously or you being wrong about interpretation?

I remember 5th edition, so it’s definitely GW making terrible lore.

**Gareth40K**

Here's what the new White Dwarf article says about the Silent King and the Tyranids:

Millions of years passed and the galaxy spun on. In the cold and tomb-dark void, Szarekh encountered the Tyranids and saw the potential of their hunger. Szarekh had harboured a hope that the Necrons could return to bodies of flesh and blood, but if the Tyranids consumed the galaxy's biomass, that apotheosis might never happen. His duty was clear. Szarekh had no interest in preserving other civilisations. Their armies and cultures he would happily see swept aside, but he would protect their biological integrity and do everything he could to ensure the Necrons harvested it for their own ascension. They deserved no less from their king.

Szarekh returned to the galaxy to find the Tyranid threat was just one amongst many facing the awakening tomb worlds. Alien races swarmed over the Necrons' former empire as the dynasties awakened in fitful stutters, or else had already fallen to instability. Worse, the warp seeped into the galaxy in a hundred places, the bonds that had resolutely kept it at bay for so long being loosened. In secret, the Silent King made pilgrimage from tomb world to tomb world, shielding his identity, working through unknown Overlords and Crypteks to cultivate a new belief in their ascendancy. The Triarch Praetorians responded to his return, ready and willing to spread his influence even further. With the legions of his own dynasty at his call, Szarekh had the means to conduct large-scale campaigns, though he only fought where absolutely necessary and where complete annihilation of the foe assured his continued concealment. Perceiving the destabilisation of the galactic theatre and the manifold perils of his scattered people, Szarekh applied himself to cyclopean schemes beyond the younger races' comprehension, intended to crush the threat they posed and allow his race to unite against the Tyranids as one.

The Eldar in that bit of fluff was bullshitting to the Inquisitor. Gullible mon-keigh.

**Tiennos**

BrianDavion wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Wait if he just wants to create a new living form for his people and that leads to souls then why is it so hard?
Use their star maths magic to find a DE raid with a Haemonculus, grab them, tell them they can make bodies or live in a dimension without stimulus and watch the bodies grow.

presumably because they don't have souls, it's not exactly easy to just say "yo dude, make me a soul"

Yeah, haemonculi resurrect people by regenerating their body and shoving their soul back into it. If they've been dead for more than a day or two, their soul is too far gone for the procedure to work (and if you try anyway, you're likely to end up with a daemon sneaking into that empty body). Also, they need at the very least some dna to work with. Without it, the best they can do is play Dr Frankenstein and slap spare bodyparts together...

Not to say it's 100% impossible for a haemonculus to recreate a Necrontyr, but it would certainly be a very long and complicated project.

**locarno24**

Andykp wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
Am I the only one who dislikes the idea of so many of the key races being 'created?' First, there's the Old Ones cooking up humans, eldar, orks and who knows what else? Now there's this. Evolution is quite fascinating and could be used quite well in this setting, given how much extreme environmental stimuli is going on. But instead, we get crazy flying frogs and salty robot skelly boys as the origin to almost everything.

I think you are investing too much in the term created, the ORKS were definitely an engineered bioweapon but humans were created in that our history doesn’t change it’s just that the old ones were a god like guiding hand. We still evolved from apes etc but the old ones watched and manipulated and “made” humanity what it was. I imagine it was similar with the eldar but a bit more hands on, favourite child and all. And the old ones have been gone a long time. So evolution plays a part. See abhumans for example. And purging mutants kind of acts as a bit of a break on evolution.

And likely the Necrons too (in the persona of the judicators, I guess).

Humanity is almost unique in one respect: we're the only species so far mentioned in 40k lore which produces BOTH psykers AND pariahs.

**Andersp90**

Gareth40K wrote:

The Eldar in that bit of fluff was bullshitting to the Inquisitor. Gullible mon-keigh.

It kinda annoys me that valrak would upload 10mins of BS..

**pm713**

BrianDavion wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Wait if he just wants to create a new living form for his people and that leads to souls then why is it so hard?
Use their star maths magic to find a DE raid with a Haemonculus, grab them, tell them they can make bodies or live in a dimension without stimulus and watch the bodies grow.

presumably because they don't have souls, it's not exactly easy to just say "yo dude, make me a soul"

But why? The notion of a soul is so vague in 40k that there's nothing proving you don't automatically get one for having a biological body. For some reason when they ruined/redid the oldcrons they kept the confusion about what a soul was.

**Charistoph**

Just a question, why does it have to be the 'Nids? Could it not be the Eldar misinterpreting/misrepresenting their lore regarding the release of the Enslavers?

**TwilightSparkles**

Hmmm seems to be a lot of confusion distinguishing between how the fluff usually works.

The article states he turned back after finding the tyranids, hoping to unite the necron against the tyranids, reasoning if the tyranids destroy all life then the necrontyr can never regain flesh bodies.

The fluff piece which would reflect an actual event suggests differently , that he engineered or changed them and set them on the galaxy to kill all life.

The difference is stark but both are likely correct. In the same way that some fluff reflects what the Imperium promotes as being the truth whilst the Heresy series/boxboard books show the real truth.

From a lore perspective, say the Eldar is lying. Why? Is the Imperium likely to have otherwise allied with the Necron? Nope. As it stands the new lore pieces suggest the Inquisition has no awareness of the silent king beyond vague hints they don't know they have....

IMO He engineered them , kept them waiting in the void ready for when mankind experienced a psychic awakening, but the events at Sotha during the Heresy triggered an early invasion and he's underestimated mankinds numbers and eventual technology. The Mechanicus can effectively engineer around an environment ; necrontyr sacrifuced their souls to survive their climate and now you have a tech priest able to ignite lethal radiation, space vacuum etc

There's also the possibility the silent king created them from what he found , unleashed them then realised his error. But it's too late.

**pm713**

Why on earth would tyranids prevent necrons from regaining flesh bodies? Between their technology, lack of biomass and immortality there's nothing that Tyranids can do to prevent them getting bodies within existing lore.

**Gadzilla666**

pm713 wrote:
Why on earth would tyranids prevent necrons from regaining flesh bodies? Between their technology, lack of biomass and immortality there's nothing that Tyranids can do to prevent them getting bodies within existing lore.

They can't get new flesh bodies if the tyranids have consumed all the biomass in the galaxy.

**pm713**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Why on earth would tyranids prevent necrons from regaining flesh bodies? Between their technology, lack of biomass and immortality there's nothing that Tyranids can do to prevent them getting bodies within existing lore.

They can't get new flesh bodies if the tyranids have consumed all the biomass in the galaxy.

It's called a freezer. Grab some grass, stick it in the freezer and wait for the bugs to go away. Even without that they have time travel so literally cannot lose.

**Charistoph**

TwilightSparkles wrote:
From a lore perspective, say the Eldar is lying. Why? Is the Imperium likely to have otherwise allied with the Necron? Nope. As it stands the new lore pieces suggest the Inquisition has no awareness of the silent king beyond vague hints they don't know they have....late.

Who said the Eldar lied? The knowledge could be wrong. It's been a few generations between Necron fights and their whole empire collapsed around them relatively recently in between.

Going on from there,Eldar rarely ever speak directly to anyone. What you think they are saying is not always what they mean, and there are so many examples of this throughout the fluff that it's a wonder anyone takes anything they say seriously.

Heck, part of me wonders if it is even talking about the Tyranids. There are many different types of infinite hunger in 40K, including the C'tan. And from an outsider's perspective, bringing the C'tan's attention to anything but a star was bad enough, but then the results of the Shattering would make it seem like they made it a thousand times worse as there were far more C'tan then ever before.

**MannyMcCoconut**

Maybe its the lead up for a new necron unit for PA.

**DontEatRawHagis**

There is definitely a short story where the Silent King and other Necrons had to ally with the Blood Angels to take on Tyranids. (A lot more detail than the bro-fist assumption by 1d4chan would say). Basically the Silent King and Necrons let the Blood Angels take all the casualties and piece out once they realize the Blood Angels will defeat the hive fleet.

**MannyMcCoconut**

In re-reading the necron section from WD 450, I noticed an interesting line in a separate article on page 32.

Draxus, from the main article in question, says "Frustratingly, my recent Aeldari contact vacillates between aiding and hindering my efforts..."

Maybe the possible tyranid reference is a skeins of fate thing where the Aeldari are trying to drive the Imperium down a particular path through misinformation.

**craggy**

Andersp90 wrote:
Gareth40K wrote:

The Eldar in that bit of fluff was bullshitting to the Inquisitor. Gullible mon-keigh.

It kinda annoys me that valrak would upload 10mins of BS..

Why? Are you new to his channel?