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Oh, they do exist on PC, but they are easier to stomach when the game runs somewhat reliably at 60 FPS despite those bugs. Loading times are also much faster on decent setups in comparison to consoles.
I have encountered several game breaking quest bugs that could only be resolved by reloading a previous save, sometimes sacrificing a good half hour of progress. If for some reason I didn't have any spare save files at those points, that would have resulted in a soft lock of my playthrough.
The console release is a disgrace and I'm glad Sony had the balls and responsibility to pull the game.
PC: 80+ (7+ user score)
Consoles: ~50 (3+ user score)
Most of the bugs and glitches people are complaining about don't exist on PC, or aren't as frequent and the play experience is consequently much much better. It's why I call the game fun but imperfect. I could bitch about the things I don't like for hours, but at the end of the day I still had a lot of fun running around and shooting heads through walls.
The actual gameplay (combat) is excellent. Every gig has multiple routes in...even if some seem blocked off by Body/Technical Ability requirements. There's a lot of places where you can shoot through glass to get inside, which includes windows on the roofs. Also, for the single target kill missions you can frequently KO the target and carry them out which leads to slightly different results.
My biggest pet peeve with the gameplay remains that it is built around your Cyberdeck to an extent and you can't unlock new ones quickly. The fastest one I know you can get is by level 7 (Reflex 6 to start, all points into Reflex) and than there is a Ripperdoc that sells an uncommon Sandevistan...the only one I've seen in game.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
Really? My experience is the opposite. You can buy what seems to be the best quickhacking deck fairly early in the game from the doc south of the big roundabout (where you get dropped off after the first talk with dex) for 50k and 10 street cred. I bought that deck and never replaced it.
The dirth of itemization is another thing that I think kind of weakens the game. You can basically have your entire cyberware set up loaded and running by level 10-12 and you'll likely never replace any of it for the rest of the game.
I think I screwed up Judy's quest with my new character..
Spoiler:
So the first time I went to clouds, after I talked to the doll, I messed something up and a bad guy attacked me so I ended up slaughtering everyone, including the boss of the club at the end. The quest ended like normal and Judy was happy, Evelyn is resting in her apt. And then that was it, I haven't heard from Judy since. I remember there being followup quests that lead me to killing that boss guy later on, and the girls taking over Clouds for themselves. I've done several game-days worth of quests since then, and when I tried calling Judy we just chatted about regular stuff. So I guess this means Evelyn will live? Maybe lead to a different story or some kind of happy bit at the end?
Judy's questline should trigger again after you've completed the main story mission Gimme Danger.
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"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Wow I hear refunds promised now from Xbox and Best Buy stores as well.
I know they said already that preorders had paid for the game development but I wonder how many will be returning it and how that will impact the company. I see some folks losing jobs - hopefully its more the management that put them in this situation vs. the devs and folks who have been forced to crunch just to get it to the current state (let alone to a good state on all platforms by Feb 2021)
I just hope they can turn the game around and improve it with content. If they properly support the game I could see myself playing it throughout next year quite a bit. If they abandon it then it'll be the last game I purchase from this company.
Eumerin wrote: If you pay Vic what you owe him, then he's got a couple of nice cyberdecks (purple and gold) for sale that don't appear to require any street cred.
Also, if you're a psycho completionist you can make well over 100k during Act 1 by doing everything. I bought Blue Mantis Blades...even though you can get Legendary for free after Act 1, the Legendary Sandevistan he sold, Double Jump legs, and a few other 5-7500k Cyberware items.
You can also get a free Legendary Monowire in Act 1 and it wrecks everyone...Strong Attack spam stun lock.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
I dunno, there are plenty of glitches but I really don't see why there's so much interweb hate, I've been having a blast playing the game so far. But then, I also loved Anthem.
Maybe it's just the last gen consoles? They probably should have said it's for next gen only, and maybe released a last gen version in a few months when it's more stable? I do remember getting PUBG on Xbox and that was a train wreck for me, I tried to get a refund and Microsoft was just like lolno.
Necros wrote: I dunno, there are plenty of glitches but I really don't see why there's so much interweb hate, I've been having a blast playing the game so far. But then, I also loved Anthem.
Maybe it's just the last gen consoles? They probably should have said it's for next gen only, and maybe released a last gen version in a few months when it's more stable? I do remember getting PUBG on Xbox and that was a train wreck for me, I tried to get a refund and Microsoft was just like lolno.
Everyone on a console is playing the Current gen version - the next gen version is not out yet.
Glitches is an understatement and half the story - content is another issue for many interms of the AI problems - like the teleporting police who can't chase you outside of missions etc
Played quite a bot of Anthem - its ok
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Eumerin wrote: If you pay Vic what you owe him, then he's got a couple of nice cyberdecks (purple and gold) for sale that don't appear to require any street cred.
Also, if you're a psycho completionist you can make well over 100k during Act 1 by doing everything. I bought Blue Mantis Blades...even though you can get Legendary for free after Act 1, the Legendary Sandevistan he sold, Double Jump legs, and a few other 5-7500k Cyberware items.
You can also get a free Legendary Monowire in Act 1 and it wrecks everyone...Strong Attack spam stun lock.
Counter intuitively, the monowire scales with Street Brawler perks, not blade perks.
Just for anyone who picks it up XD
One of my more minor pet peeves is the largely unhelpful/uninformative tool tips. The game could use some more clarity on what perks effect what gear.
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
I preordered this game long ago, and have not downloaded it yet. I am in no hurry as I have other games to play and my SSD is currently full.
Maybe by the time I get around to installing it it will be more stable.
The controversy has been useful as it has drowned out spoilers and means I still have little idea on the meta-plot and can blind play it.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Orlanth wrote: I preordered this game long ago, and have not downloaded it yet. I am in no hurry as I have other games to play and my SSD is currently full.
Maybe by the time I get around to installing it it will be more stable.
I have a policy of just not buying big name games at least until I see reviews and usually not for several months after that. Gives time for bugfixes, patches and for DLC-included versions to come out. Anybody who buys such a game on day one (or even worse, pre-orders it) cannot reasonably act surprised when this sort of thing happens.
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
I just remembered that Grimes was a VA for this game...and found out that she is Lizzy Wizzy. I've played that questline twice and had no idea that it was her. Freaking wild that some indie artist I've been listening to for a decade blew up like this.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Short Guide to Unlock All Endings
Spoiler:
Default are deal with Arasaka or suicide. You always get these two options.
Rogue assault with Johnny in control requires finishing the Rogue questline. The quest where you go to the drive in with her is the last one needed. The Kerry/Samurai gig is just a bonus.
Nomad assault requires the Panam questline and nothing else.
The solo assault questline requires you to follow this guide for a Chippin In dialogue section. That's it. I unlocked it at 40% approval with Johnny.
A warning...even on normal you want to be max level for this. I think I was 33 and I got killed in the first section, but I wasn't close to being optimized.
The only thing that Johnny's approval seems to impact is his dialogue with you after meeting with Hanako.
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The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
I have a policy of just not buying big name games at least until I see reviews and usually not for several months after that. Gives time for bugfixes, patches and for DLC-included versions to come out. Anybody who buys such a game on day one (or even worse, pre-orders it) cannot reasonably act surprised when this sort of thing happens.
Agreed. . . But, at least for us PC players, and insofar as I've experienced, all of the bugs that *I've* had are not game breaking, and are of the usual sort of early game bugs where you can laugh at them. Only time I had a playthrough session broken, was when I lept past my NPC companion down a ladder, that companion was programmed to be in front of me, so as they followed their pathing and got in front of me, they punted me through the wall and into the eternal fall of doom.
And if past CDR games are any thing to go by, I'd suspect we'll get DLCs and updates for a few years at least. . . IIRC, Witcher 3 got its 2nd DLC what, 2 or 3 years after launch? something like that? and I keep seeing it getting updates on my Steam queue so there's some kind of support for it out there.
I have a policy of just not buying big name games at least until I see reviews and usually not for several months after that. Gives time for bugfixes, patches and for DLC-included versions to come out. Anybody who buys such a game on day one (or even worse, pre-orders it) cannot reasonably act surprised when this sort of thing happens.
Agreed. . . But, at least for us PC players, and insofar as I've experienced, all of the bugs that *I've* had are not game breaking, and are of the usual sort of early game bugs where you can laugh at them. Only time I had a playthrough session broken, was when I lept past my NPC companion down a ladder, that companion was programmed to be in front of me, so as they followed their pathing and got in front of me, they punted me through the wall and into the eternal fall of doom.
And if past CDR games are any thing to go by, I'd suspect we'll get DLCs and updates for a few years at least. . . IIRC, Witcher 3 got its 2nd DLC what, 2 or 3 years after launch? something like that? and I keep seeing it getting updates on my Steam queue so there's some kind of support for it out there.
I did run into a "Game breaking bug" but CDPR gave a work around that I managed to use. so not a biig deal
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Well, I just beat the game, with about 56 hours of playtime according to my savefile. Still actually have lots of side missions to do.
Spoiler:
I chose the ending path where Johnny assaults Arasaka with Rogue's help, and then I had Johnny go into cyberspace, leaving V to her body. Crappy ending, really. V only has a few months left to live due to her organic brain now rejecting her. Judy leaves her. And V goes on one last big job to steal from the Crystal City orbital casino to be a legend forever. Given how much that casino was mentioned throughout the game, I assumed it would be an eventual DLC, and I'd say this kinda confirms it.
I'll do another playthrough sometime next year after the game has had some DLC added into it.
Stardew Valley just got a major update, so I'll play that again next.
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"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Crappy ending, really. V only has a few months left to live due to her organic brain now rejecting her.
Spoiler:
This bit here is literally every ending that isn't one where V dies/disappears into cyberspace. I don't care what DLC is added necessarily, but I honestly feel like demanding one where V has some chance to save themselves from their life being cut short by author fiat. The entire 'you gonna die no matter what you do' thing is so hamfisted, especially when there's an ending where Johnny walks off with your body and lives a full fething life.
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I think there being "no happy ending" is intended, as Cyberpunk as a genre often tends to be pretty bleak. That said, the ending I got was.. actually reasonably happy. I choose to hit Arasaka with Panam, and... I think over all I got the happiest ending possiable. I road off into the sunset with Judy with my new family in the Nomads. there's a promise of maybe finding some contacts who might be able to help things (as it is the whole "your body is rejecting your mind" was pretty absurd pseudo science) so yeah, over all I feel that ending was a decent one, my V left night city behind her, with a feeling of something that I suspect she'd not had in a looooong time, real genuine hope
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
The Space Casino...obviously.
2/5 endings are already headed there.
1 is suicide so...yeah, you don't count.
Nomad ending can easily be contacted for the same mission.
Araska ending might actually be going there for the opposite reason...
This of course assumes that you take your body back, but I could see them having another option where you are downloaded into a new body for the mission.
Side note...having played entirely too much I've decided the biggest issue in the game is that way too many quests are locked deep into Act 2. There's an entire chain that's only accessible once you've unlocked the final quest and I think players will skip over it because of it's late accessibility. As of this post less than 1% of players had finished the chain according to Steam. Also, the act 2 side missions (specifically missions) are probably the best part of the game story wise. Hint: If it's a side mission, it likely has a follow up quest in 1-2 days, but their trigger system needs to be fixed.
Spoiler:
I probably skipped 2 weeks in game to get all of Kerry's quests and then the Blue Moon one to trigger.
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The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
The cyberpunk genre is cynical. That doesn't require it to be nihilistic, and with how little anything you do seems to impact you or the world around you it feels very nihilistic.
having just started a second playthrough I've some thoughts on the endings etc.
Spoiler:
MHO the nomad ending actually is, thematicly the most sense Because it show cases V's evolution as a character, you start off working alongside Jackie, and He's very upbeat on night city, becoming a legend etc. but by the end of the campaign, you're leaving night city behind, you've realized the city is a liar, a trap, you got sucked in by it's false promises, but no more" hell. I'll go one further. I think the best V is proably a female V that romances Judy and joins the Nomads. the ability to chart the growing feeling of delusionment with the city is easy to see,
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Well lets be real. Male V has a bad voice actor. I'm not sure why. It was like that in Mass Effect too imo. The male VA just delivers their lines so flatly and without any flair, and in Cyberpunk with a bizarre Phillie/Jersey accent that sounds really fake.
I have 30 hours played, part of the way in to act 2.
Game is good on PC. I see some issues I would like fixed, but I see that coming in the future. Missions are fun. Side Quests are fun. Gigs are fun sometimes and sometimes frustrating. I hate any time an NPC drives. The rail system kills me. Melee is super fun, I love it. I am about to respec and go for a Fist build, Body/Cool/Int. Focus heavy on Cold Blood.
Very excited to see how things shake out.
PS: Johnny has grown on me, I hate him less than I initially did. Also, I am not fond of the voice actor for V.
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I'm playing through this currently (on Xbone even…).
I don't like how hectic the mission system is. While I'm about to go towards a mission Place, I'm getting like three phone calls about new missions… Just let me get on with the current one please.
I have a cop waiting for me in a diner and I've changed the current missions twice already (when Judy or the Nomad chick call, I'm not gonna say no to them over some stupid breakfast with a po-po). I don't know how many days the cop has waited for me in the diner now…
And the Yakuza guy… Don't keep me waiting… How many days ago was that?
I get it. Time is really not the essence, but it kind of breaks the immersion how long the NPCs are willing to wait for me to return to them.
I wish I would get to do the missions at my own pace.
Spoiler:
Also, what is the point of doing all of these side missions when I know I'm gonna eat my gun in the end? This is a bit of a downer for me...
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I have the results of the last chamber: You are a horrible person. That's what it says: A horrible person... We weren't even testing for that.
I recently got a glitch where, when driving around, all the other vehicles on the road lacked collision. Made getting through traffic much easier when I can just drive through everything.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
I'm playing Xbone and so far the game has been perfectly playable. Haven't run into freezes that lasted more than a few seconds and while have met a few glitches here and there, nothing game ending.
Mostly a bit annoying stuff like when I'm sitting on a couch and a conversation starts that gives me the option to stand up, V will get up from the couch, but remain crouching. I cannot trigger the standing upright mode.
So during the whole conversation it feels like I'm a child, looking up at the adults talking… Lol.
The Graphics on the Xbone are fuzzy, but as long as the gameplay runs smoothly I can live with that.
I don't even care about the idiot NPC pedestrians and drivers. I don't really pay attention to that. It was kind of funny when I parked my bike on the sidewalk, the pedestrians started panicking and ran away in terror.
Yeah, that's right, don't touch my bike!
Spoiler:
I'm having pretty fun with the game, but the looming death at the end of the story kind of robs some of my enthuasism to play this game… But not enough to stop playing. I guess I just have to try to enjoy the jorney and forget about the upcoming end.
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I have the results of the last chamber: You are a horrible person. That's what it says: A horrible person... We weren't even testing for that.
Also, what is the point of doing all of these side missions when I know
Spoiler:
I'm gonna eat my gun in the end? This is a bit of a downer for me...
You heard of fething spoiler tabs right?
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001