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I just hope we don't lose any Xenos models. Losing things that don't have a model is one thing, but losing more models is a bad thing every time.



Also is there any good reason to pick any of the current books up for content other than rules?

What a great opportunity to pay them again in the hopes that they'll fix the last broken product they sold us.

 Overread wrote:
I just hope we don't lose any Xenos models. Losing things that don't have a model is one thing, but losing more models is a bad thing every time.



Also is there any good reason to pick any of the current books up for content other than rules?

Only content in the current Indexes is rules. No art, minimal fluff blurbs.

 Overread wrote:
I just hope we don't lose any Xenos models. Losing things that don't have a model is one thing, but losing more models is a bad thing every time.



Also is there any good reason to pick any of the current books up for content other than rules?

Negative. I had been using an internet copy, but I was about to buy the current book. I'm so glad I looked at the WarCon site last night. Saved me about 40$.

tneva82 wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
So does this mean no more complaining about fw models not having rules written by the main gw rules team? ...

I might have to retire my "It's great in 30k, but pretty crap in 40k" catchprase!

If it's done by GW main studio expect bad rules. They have vested interest in gamers not buying those models instead of more profitable plastic ones.

So what was forgeworld's excuse? Because newsflash, the FW indexes were the worst pile of garbage either studio has crapped out for a long time.

Most of the units are useless, some are outright non-functional and the ones that ARE good are almost universally hilariously OP (chaplain dreads, leviathan, super chicken back in the day.)

When you say stuff like this you should really acknowledge that the rules are gak NOW.

ERJAK wrote:
...So what was forgeworld's excuse? Because newsflash, the FW indexes were the worst pile of garbage either studio has crapped out for a long time...

...The transition got sprung on them around the same time the studio lead died?

ERJAK wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
So does this mean no more complaining about fw models not having rules written by the main gw rules team? ...

I might have to retire my "It's great in 30k, but pretty crap in 40k" catchprase!

If it's done by GW main studio expect bad rules. They have vested interest in gamers not buying those models instead of more profitable plastic ones.

So what was forgeworld's excuse? Because newsflash, the FW indexes were the worst pile of garbage either studio has crapped out for a long time.

Most of the units are useless, some are outright non-functional and the ones that ARE good are almost universally hilariously OP (chaplain dreads, leviathan, super chicken back in the day.)

When you say stuff like this you should really acknowledge that the rules are gak NOW.

Except those units aren't overpowered. So you're wrong.

My #1 wishlist for FW is that Corsairs get fixed.

Which requires a reversal of "No model no rules".

I'm not holding my breath.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
So does this mean no more complaining about fw models not having rules written by the main gw rules team? ...

I might have to retire my "It's great in 30k, but pretty crap in 40k" catchprase!

If it's done by GW main studio expect bad rules. They have vested interest in gamers not buying those models instead of more profitable plastic ones.

So what was forgeworld's excuse? Because newsflash, the FW indexes were the worst pile of garbage either studio has crapped out for a long time.

Most of the units are useless, some are outright non-functional and the ones that ARE good are almost universally hilariously OP (chaplain dreads, leviathan, super chicken back in the day.)

When you say stuff like this you should really acknowledge that the rules are gak NOW.

Except those units aren't overpowered. So you're wrong.

True. Leviathans and chaplain dreads aren't inherently op. It's the rules of certain marine chapters and duty eternal that make them op. That's what should be addressed. Not nerfing them for everyone. Hellforged leviathans definitely aren't op. They die plenty.

It should also be noted that the main studio has been responsible for FW's rules for years now, if not the entire edition (I dont recall if FW actually wrote the basic indexes or not, but GW absolutely did everything after that), and have took over some stuff even before 8E.

 Vaktathi wrote:
It should also be noted that the main studio has been responsible for FW's rules for years now, if not the entire edition (I dont recall if FW actually wrote the basic indexes or not, but GW absolutely did everything after that), and have took over some stuff even before 8E.

Yes but a lot of people can't get that through their heads. This puts their arguments to rest.

I don't think it matters too much who's responsible. Many of the FW rules are laughable. The same is true of many none FW models to be fair. Hopefully they use this as a platform to improve the balance of 8th edition before 9th rolls in the minute it becomes somewhat balanced again.

 Vaktathi wrote:
It should also be noted that the main studio has been responsible for FW's rules for years now, if not the entire edition (I dont recall if FW actually wrote the basic indexes or not, but GW absolutely did everything after that), and have took over some stuff even before 8E.

In short, nothing will change. Rules will still be horribly written, ambiguous, hilariously unbalanced.

 p5freak wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
It should also be noted that the main studio has been responsible for FW's rules for years now, if not the entire edition (I dont recall if FW actually wrote the basic indexes or not, but GW absolutely did everything after that), and have took over some stuff even before 8E.

In short, nothing will change. Rules will still be horribly written, ambiguous, hilariously unbalanced.

And Dakka will never be pleased

So all the ia books have gone up on last chance to buy. So how long does this mean until the new books are released? Hope it's not to long and what we get isn't disappointing.

Gadzilla666 wrote:
So all the ia books have gone up on last chance to buy. So how long does this mean until the new books are released? Hope it's not to long and what we get isn't disappointing.

Assume it will be disappointing. Then anything better than that will be a pleasant surprise!

I wouldn't be surprised if they release them one at a time every few months, so it'll really depend on which book you're waiting for.

 Vaktathi wrote:
It should also be noted that the main studio has been responsible for FW's rules for years now, if not the entire edition (I dont recall if FW actually wrote the basic indexes or not, but GW absolutely did everything after that), and have took over some stuff even before 8E.

Not that many years, and as far as I can tell the indexes were handled by FW themselves, with the cancelled Grey Knights/Sisters of Silence/Custodes book the last attempt at doing 40K before throwing their hands up and saying enough. I would assume the Custodes rules and the Moirax rules were handled by GW but have no idea on which side the Seraptic construct would fall.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if they release them one at a time every few months, so it'll really depend on which book you're waiting for.

Like they did the marine supplements? That'd be infuriating, but typical. I don't understand why they couldn't have released new points in ca before any rules changes like they did for the armies who hadn't gotten their pa's yet.

Well I do. $$$

Gadzilla666 wrote:
So all the ia books have gone up on last chance to buy. So how long does this mean until the new books are released? Hope it's not to long and what we get isn't disappointing.

"Keep an eye out for the first in the new range of books from the Warhammer 40,000 Studio later in 2020."

First book before the end of the year.

Rest to follow - but maybe not in 2020.

The first one will definitely be Marines probably late summer, early fall kind of timeframe. I'd expect Guard / Navy / Titans as the second one, then Chaos and Xenos later on.

I expect no rules, not even Legends, for FW kits no longer in production. Rest in piece, Leman Russ Conqueror.

So back to the eternal waiting game. The bane of the 40k player's existence.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if they release them one at a time every few months, so it'll really depend on which book you're waiting for.

Like they did the marine supplements? That'd be infuriating, but typical. I don't understand why they couldn't have released new points in ca before any rules changes like they did for the armies who hadn't gotten their pa's yet.

Well I do. $$$

Why would PA have anything to do with it? For the most part that hasn't changed the rules of units but just added a few things for factions as a whole. In fact, the new Banshees, Incubi and Drazhar had to wait for CA to get any points drops.

 Imateria wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if they release them one at a time every few months, so it'll really depend on which book you're waiting for.

Like they did the marine supplements? That'd be infuriating, but typical. I don't understand why they couldn't have released new points in ca before any rules changes like they did for the armies who hadn't gotten their pa's yet.

Well I do. $$$

Why would PA have anything to do with it? For the most part that hasn't changed the rules of units but just added a few things for factions as a whole. In fact, the new Banshees, Incubi and Drazhar had to wait for CA to get any points drops.

Well yes, but their pa came out before ca. Other armies units got points changes in ca before their respective pa's were released. Don't see why they couldn't have included whatever points adjustments they're doing for fw units in ca instead of doing them in the upcoming books.

Things I expect...

1) Large number of older models removed, or put a "Legends" section...vague chance there is an actual Legends FW book, but I doubt it. No model no rules will likely be in full effect.
2) They'll be hardback for some reason and obnoxiously expensive as usual for GW.
3) They will still feature errors and will have a large errata/FAQ.
4) A very reasonable chance they simply reprint stuff and don't fix a number of units.

Things I'd like...

1) Go over all the units included and actually make them cohesive or relevant. I scratch built a Typhon because I like the look of the model and I've used it once in two years. It's a 750+ point paperweight in an ultra-violent, points-drop meta.
2) I'd love to see them actually include a small Chapter set of rules for stuff like Carcharadons/Minotaurs/Red Scorpions, etc. At the very least, release this stuff in a White Dwarf in combination with the timeline.
3) I'd love to see these books in a cheaper soft-back option...but the preview picture doesn't make that likely.

It does beg the question; what is the future of Forgeworld and 40K? Nothing new for 40K has come out in years. No books, no new models, etc. The only models available are 30K cross-over models. Is there any future to Forgeworld as a "premium" (laughing...) version of GW? Will there ever be actual campaign books from Forgeworld? Plastic technology has more or less finally surpassed resin with very few exceptions. GW prices have also skyrocketed to almost match Forgeworld. With GW taking over the rules, is Forgeworld more or less done with 40K?

Gadzilla666 wrote:
So back to the eternal waiting game. The bane of the 40k player's existence.

We wouldn't have to wait if GW would joint he 21st century and create digital rules releases.

 Elbows wrote:
Things I expect...

1) Large number of older models removed, or put a "Legends" section...vague chance there is an actual Legends FW book, but I doubt it. No model no rules will likely be in full effect.

Here we go again.

Tomorrow on Warhammer Rags:

GW planning to remove units from FW Indexes? Read our ambiguous article to clear nothing up!

Next week on News and Rumor: GW is going to squat FW units says rumor monger! And no Legends!

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Things I expect...

1) Large number of older models removed, or put a "Legends" section...vague chance there is an actual Legends FW book, but I doubt it. No model no rules will likely be in full effect.

Here we go again.

Tomorrow on Warhammer Rags:

GW planning to remove units from FW Indexes? Read our ambiguous article to clear nothing up!

Next week on News and Rumor: GW is going to squat FW units says rumor monger! And no Legends!

I know a guy who knows a guy who knows an employee that said so.

I mean... yeah, theres a history of Dakka claiming the sky is falling every tiem an acorn drops.

BUT, it's not unreasonable to assume that out of production units will not be in the book. We dont know for sure, but given everything we've seen from GW recently it very much seems like they are pretty averse to publishing books with rules for models you cant buy.

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