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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And so having been proved wrong that Champions, Juves and Brutes were being removed, here we see the serial whiners shift target to continue their cacophony.

They just put up a pre-order for a new completely mono-pose optionless kit. This is the antithesis of Necromunda.

This is so right. Sure the OG goliath were converible plastic snd being a bit static could use some converting. And other gangs were metal. But options for weapons swaps snd bits were everywhere. We could mail order them direct ftom GerDubs!

The advantage with better plastics could be this these options were built in ... but GeeDubs went the other direction and now aims to make metal models out of plastic instead... progress.

 jeff white wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And so having been proved wrong that Champions, Juves and Brutes were being removed, here we see the serial whiners shift target to continue their cacophony.

They just put up a pre-order for a new completely mono-pose optionless kit. This is the antithesis of Necromunda.

This is so right. Sure the OG goliath were converible plastic snd being a bit static could use some converting. And other gangs were metal. But options for weapons swaps snd bits were everywhere. We could mail order them direct ftom GerDubs!

The advantage with better plastics could be this these options were built in ... but GeeDubs went the other direction and now aims to make metal models out of plastic instead... progress.

The weapon pack for Goliath were released about a year ago, you can order them from Forgeworld. They also have extra heads over there.

For the new fighter, it's clear they were designed for future weapon pack expansion, but you will have to wait, because the team(FW) is small and they're kinda slow.

Modern GW is doing away with multi-pose models and customizeability across their entire range, crying over some mythical heady days of old is fun, but ultimately fruitless.

Besides, at least modern monopose models are plastic instead of metal, so you don't have to break out the dremel and the cutting wheel out for every single little thing.

Honestly, I'm not even mad. The minis look cool after all. It's just that I see diminishing returns with every expansion, and added completixy for a game that t doesn't need it, at least not on the parts it is being added.

Rather than house codexes I would have preferred them to spend their time making a "big ol' book of campaigns", maybe with additional hired Guns and the like, because that's the part of Necromunda that interest me. Gang creation is already ok as it is, IMHO, and I feel we would have been better off if the options of these newfangled gangers were added to the regular juves and brutes. But here we are.

Of course, this is also a new era of "print your own stuff" and Patreon designers, so... It's not like it matters much, in the end.

Goliath ‘Zerker and Slaver Guild are up on Forge World now:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Forge-World-New?N=2187143053+3206404541&Nr=AND%28sku.siteId%3AGB_fw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_GB_fw%29&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1581760500000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1581760500000%5D

The Slavers are cheaper than I was expecting

He’s an ugly fella



Nice model though!

Wow.... It's basically Bane... Arkham Asylum games Bane specifically...

Someone will surely convert to include a lute libra mask.

Genuinely so good, the Slave guild guys are great also.


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Wait wait wait, is that a facemark hanging from his face also?

Fair play forge world, you knew what you wanted to do and you did it. I have high hopes for proper arbiters at some point now, it could be peak Judge Dredd.

That left shoulder looks nasty. Like the added muscle grafts have started to tear off but he’s so ‘roided out that he hasn’t noticed.

The House of Chains description mentions a d66 Goliath Tactics table - is it foolish of me to assume that I could refer to this rather than buying the pack of 2nd Edition Goliath Tactics cards?

What do you think of my theory?

Ogryn was a generic brute that all gangs can hire. It hasnt had a resin miniature and now has a gang of his own with plastic models.

Maybe this happens with other miniatures in the game that have rules and have not yet come out in resin even though they are used a lot? For example a gang of doctors or explorers (ratskins) with each new book ?

this would justify because they have not yet release in resin..

Oh Gork please give us D66 tactic tables. D100. D1000! Just not more flipping cardboard.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Modern GW is doing away with multi-pose models and customizeability across their entire range, crying over some mythical heady days of old is fun, but ultimately fruitless.

Besides, at least modern monopose models are plastic instead of metal, so you don't have to break out the dremel and the cutting wheel out for every single little thing.

Yeah, I appreciate that fact about plastic.

I am only pointing to what might be lost potential.
Multipart multipose customizable without cutting was cool, for rank and file if you feel like all the assembly work.
I still have unassemble IG in a baggie...

For a game wit heavy RPG elements like Necromunda,
it just seems like one way to go, to provide this sort of developmentability right out of the box(es)
without a knife at all.

The Forgeworld stuff is cool.

zamerion wrote:
What do you think of my theory?

Ogryn was a generic brute that all gangs can hire. It hasnt had a resin miniature and now has a gang of his own with plastic models.

Maybe this happens with other miniatures in the game that have rules and have not yet come out in resin even though they are used a lot? For example a gang of doctors or explores (ratskins) with each new book ?

this would justify because they have not yet release in resin..

I just wanna know when they’re doing Klovis and his Redemptionists.

changemod wrote:

zamerion wrote:
What do you think of my theory?

Ogryn was a generic brute that all gangs can hire. It hasnt had a resin miniature and now has a gang of his own with plastic models.

Maybe this happens with other miniatures in the game that have rules and have not yet come out in resin even though they are used a lot? For example a gang of doctors or explores (ratskins) with each new book ?

this would justify because they have not yet release in resin..

I just wanna know when they’re doing Klovis and his Redemptionists.

With the Cawdor book propably.

Redemptionists + Cawdor would make a lot of sense. Do Escher, Van Saar or Delaque have anyone they could thematically show up with, I wonder? Scalies and Ratskins wouldn't really make sense.

Oh, and Orlocks also exist don't they. I'd forgotten.

How can the new Goliath sprue be optionless?

The description says something like "Two dudes A, one with weapon 1 and one with weapon 2." But dude A is one to a sprue, you get two identical sprues, so you get two weapons 1 and two weapons 2. This is the case for every model in the box. Every single body in there has the option of two loadouts. And the picture also shows all 6 dudes with different heads.

Yeah, you can assemble them as "guy A" or as "guy B". Nothing else, though, no different weapons, no other options. I'm assuming they won't have any other options regardless.

So very 40k, but this was Necromunda.

Here are some of the new content:
- Hangers-on: Brute-handler, Chem Dealer, Pit Trainer
- Special Characters
- Weapons & Equipment
- Champion 'Stimmer' & Juve 'Prospect Forge-born' fighter classes (existing fighter classes will get similar titles)
- 'Muscle' Skill category (6 skills)
- Slave Ogryn gang
- Terrain rules
- Sub-plots
- House Favours
- Alliances

I'm suspecting this will be the 'blue-print' for the remaining 5 house books.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And so having been proved wrong that Champions, Juves and Brutes were being removed, here we see the serial whiners shift target to continue their cacophony.

I never said it was being replaced! Terminators are still a thing, even though you can get dual wielding power fist baby dreadnoughts with heavy-botlers mounted to each fist. It's layers in layers, rule bloat & power creep. Adding a new top killer doesn't add anything, because the previous top dog is now demoted. Nobody asked for this.


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 Albertorius wrote:
Yeah, you can assemble them as "guy A" or as "guy B". Nothing else, though, no different weapons, no other options. I'm assuming they won't have any other options regardless.

So very 40k, but this was Necromunda.

If you really want options, you can use the new stimmers as regular original champions. Then you can give them a kroot rifle and a cursed chaos knife if you so wish.

Every new content is a rule bloat, and probably power creep too.

What's left that is mildly acceptable is one an done new gang, and possibly 300+ credit bounty hunter, or bounty hunter that already exist in previous book. New bounty hunter /hanger on can also be power creep too. Some BH clearly are better than the other.

Even new gang can be power creep.

Not big on the Bane-zerker model. A bit lower quality than past FW Necro models. Looks more like something that you'd see them make for FW. Maybe with a different head and swapping out that weird left arm of his would help.

GaroRobe wrote:
Not big on the Bane-zerker model. A bit lower quality than past FW Necro models. Looks more like something that you'd see them make for FW. Maybe with a different head and swapping out that weird left arm of his would help.

He look fine and terrifying in the original art, artist clearly want him to look like the Dante abomination from League of extraordinary gentlemen


But instead what we get is the Hunchback of Notre Dame

 ekwatts wrote:
Every single Necromunda plastic box so far has been one sprue replicated. Every single box.* It is cheaper to cut a single mold and cast it twice than it is to produce two molds and cast them once each. It's cheaper by such a hilarious margin that the idea they suddenly decided to drop the practice of producing a single sprue and casting it twice for the Ogryn gang is utterly ridiculous.

The economics dictate what we can expect to see.

Which will be two copies of a single sprue. That means an even number of Ogryns. Likely 4.

*Please note that "every single box" does not include Kal Jericho.

It's obviously going to be four, though.

Terrible paintjob on the Zerker, btw. Mini looks just fine, but Goliaths are the only gang I'm not buying into (did get the alligator for my long-term squat gang project, but nm).

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Redemptionists + Cawdor would make a lot of sense. Do Escher, Van Saar or Delaque have anyone they could thematically show up with, I wonder? Scalies and Ratskins wouldn't really make sense.

Oh, and Orlocks also exist don't they. I'd forgotten.

If they are going for the visual tie-in, Escher are going to be corpse guild, due to the amazon priestess style guild representative. Thematically the fire dudes would make sense, too.

Edit: Right, gang-wise. Brat gangs with Escher.

Chopstick wrote:
Every new content is a rule bloat, and probably power creep too.

What's left that is mildly acceptable is one an done new gang, and possibly 300+ credit bounty hunter, or bounty hunter that already exist in previous book. New bounty hunter /hanger on can also be power creep too. Some BH clearly are better than the other.

Even new gang can be power creep.

This is sarcastic?

This is what old and new Goliath Champion look like:

Is the new one bigger? More deadlier?

 Albertorius wrote:
Yeah, you can assemble them as "guy A" or as "guy B". Nothing else, though, no different weapons, no other options. I'm assuming they won't have any other options regardless.

So very 40k, but this was Necromunda.

What are you trying to say with this comment? Necromunda kits have never come with many options. The original metal gang models were single piece monopose figures with the only options being which weapons you glued onto their arms and the weapon options were very limited. Later when they released plastic kits they didn’t come with any greater variety. The plastic Orlocks, for example, were monopose single piece bodies with heads they had one model that was for rifles and you could choose either lasrifle, auto rifle or shotgun that was molded onto the right arm already with the left on the stock so the gun was literally the only difference in how the model looked. The other pose came with a knife already in the left hand with the only option being the right arms that had 3 versions with the only difference being holding a stub revolver, auto pistol or las pistol. The Newcromunda kits have just as much of not more variety and options as the Oldcrumunda kits.
The only comparison I can think of that would rate the Oldcrumunda kits better than 40k kits would be the metal gang boxes vs the metal IG boxes like Steel Legion. Even then it’s not very apt because the 6 IG troopers are always only going to have lasguns and Oldcrumunda heavies didn’t come with options and neither did metal IG heavy weapon teams. The only optionality that was better was that the IG specialist and sgt had no options.
I don’t understand the bitterness and negativity directed at Newcrumunda kits for not having more options. Sure GW could leverage their technology to make the kits even better but why compare the kits to the standard of using the utmost potential of the kits instead of comparing them to the standard of past kits for the game.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Yeah, you can assemble them as "guy A" or as "guy B". Nothing else, though, no different weapons, no other options. I'm assuming they won't have any other options regardless.

So very 40k, but this was Necromunda.

What are you trying to say with this comment? Necromunda kits have never come with many options. The original metal gang models were single piece monopose figures with the only options being which weapons you glued onto their arms and the weapon options were very limited. Later when they released plastic kits they didn’t come with any greater variety. The plastic Orlocks, for example, were monopose single piece bodies with heads they had one model that was for rifles and you could choose either lasrifle, auto rifle or shotgun that was molded onto the right arm already with the left on the stock so the gun was literally the only difference in how the model looked. The other pose came with a knife already in the left hand with the only option being the right arms that had 3 versions with the only difference being holding a stub revolver, auto pistol or las pistol. The Newcromunda kits have just as much of not more variety and options as the Oldcrumunda kits.
The only comparison I can think of that would rate the Oldcrumunda kits better than 40k kits would be the metal gang boxes vs the metal IG boxes like Steel Legion. Even then it’s not very apt because the 6 IG troopers are always only going to have lasguns and Oldcrumunda heavies didn’t come with options and neither did metal IG heavy weapon teams. The only optionality that was better was that the IG specialist and sgt had no options.
I don’t understand the bitterness and negativity directed at Newcrumunda kits for not having more options. Sure GW could leverage their technology to make the kits even better but why compare the kits to the standard of using the utmost potential of the kits instead of comparing them to the standard of past kits for the game.

Honestly, the current boxes are also disappointing, and I've said as much repeatedly here and elsewhere. This is not a new issue, but it is doubling down on the bad we already had on Necromunda by... giving even less for the same.

The current boxes at least have a high amount of additional weapons that you can use (For example, the Escher sprue has 19 weapons), some right as is, some fiddling about a bit, some with hand changes. This one? Well, it has two weapons for the one big guy and two weapons for the two little guys, so... yeah, that's a whooping total of 6 options.



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Baxx wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Yeah, you can assemble them as "guy A" or as "guy B". Nothing else, though, no different weapons, no other options. I'm assuming they won't have any other options regardless.

So very 40k, but this was Necromunda.

If you really want options, you can use the new stimmers as regular original champions. Then you can give them a kroot rifle and a cursed chaos knife if you so wish.

I'm not too fond of their look, and eve if I was... aren't they like twice as big? A head taller and double as thick? I know Golios are kinda the orks of Necromunda, but I'd rather it not be quite that literal.

All in all, I still think it's funny that the best gang box is still (IMHO) the Neophyte hybrids box.

Baxx wrote:

This is sarcastic?

This is what old and new Goliath Champion look like:

Is the new one bigger? More deadlier?

So? You suggest they made the new one weaker and more expensive? We didn't even get to know if this new kind of fighter value/stat ratio is, Will this be a value early buy, or a very expensive one for mid-late campaign when everyone is stuffed and big.

As I said, every new content will add more to the rule, thus bloating it, and some will be better than and make old one obsolete, thus power creep.

I think your problem is that thing you like = pass, and things you don't like = lame/bloat/power creep... etc What exactly new stuff that they can add that isn't consider bloat or power creep? and how long can they keep doing this same thing?

I'm surprised how quick those FW guys are showing up. Thought it'd be a bit later than this.

Plus there's always the Artel W's option if you don't like the FW zerker...



What irritates me is I just made an order with them last week and if I'd known they were releasing these so soon I could've saved a bit on shipping!

The new Necromunda boxes are not disappointing.

They have options, they're plastic/easily converted, they're decent value for money (when compared to similar companies' skirmish games, for example), they're stylish, theyre readily available.

These things are all subjective. But I just feel like rejecting the majority of these aspects means that you don't... really... like Necromunda very much?

 ekwatts wrote:
The new Necromunda boxes are not disappointing.

They obviously aren't. For you. Funny, people having different opinions... Blows the mind.

 ekwatts wrote:
These things are all subjective. But I just feel like rejecting the majority of these aspects means that you don't... really... like Necromunda very much?

Of course! It stands to reason, if you don't like anything and everything of something, you obviously don't like that something very much. It is the only single reasonable explanation, after all, amirite?