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With this sinister aspect of the Escher, what guild do you think will be release with them?

Seeing that the book is finer than the goliath, it seems to be true that not all books will come with a new gang.. A pity because it would fit perfectly a gang of evil doctors

 ImAGeek wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
What was the Goliath box set up and Sprue set up compared?

The sprue made a Stimmer and 2 Forge-born, and you got 2 in the box.

I like the Escher models, but not too keen on the lizard cat things.

Ah ok so 3 per sprue, 6 per box either way.
So I’d assume that the cats wouldn’t be in it and Maybe just a separate set.

EDIT: But no it can’t be separate because of that scenery rubble on both sets.
So I suppose 10 models in the box then.
Fair enough

Deathmaidens are growing on me, and I think it’s the paint job that makes them look odd.

Wild Runners I’m loving.

Kittehs? Not so much. Heads look really weird.

The escher models are smaller and on 25 mm bases. The phyrr cats will likely be on 32 or 40mm. These new cats look smaller. It's definitely one sprue doubled.

Oh, nice. New Death Maidens like that bounty hunter Forgeworld did a while back. Wonder if they're "immune" to dying

New Wylds seem like game hunters rather than fighters. Would be interesting to see if they have skills or weapons geared towards taking out big game. Hopefully, we'll see a Khymerix model in preview later today.

paint jobs on those kittehs is awful but a little chopping and changing with a new paintjerb and I think they will be nice, I like all these new models to be fair especially the weird voodoo woman, a whole gang themed on that would be cool.

Plus the new book, yep I am a happy chappy

Chopstick wrote:
The Death maiden is an unholy abomination of ugliness.

Probably the only good thing about them is the spiked stiletto heels, which should've been a weapon, and have pose of them kicking with it.

It may be just the awful paint-jobs. I'll wait to see the actual models.

grahamdbailey wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
The Death maiden is an unholy abomination of ugliness.

Probably the only good thing about them is the spiked stiletto heels, which should've been a weapon, and have pose of them kicking with it.

It may be just the awful paint-jobs. I'll wait to see the actual models.

No paint job can save that model from ugly boobs plate, terrible face, and ugly head. And being stuck to 2 (boring) options just like the Goliath stimmer, because they threw the cats in to fill the sprue.

At least a full auto grenade launcher, although bad, is a million times more interesting than..... Needle pistol with a magazine.

Bit disappointed with these. Not nearly as good as the Goliaths and the cats look ludicrous. Harder to turn into the Juves they should be too.

Man, specialist games really know how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with the Juves.

Those cat-things are awful, a real throwback to the worst aspects of 90s creature model design. All three varieties of new Escher suffer from bungled and lazy execution of potentially decent concepts.

 jake wrote:

These girls are only a skull head or headdress trim away from being some kick ass female eversores.

Has someone else noticed these pictures?
I am in for a new Fabius Bile with some minions

40K thread -> Thataway

 zedmeister wrote:
40K thread -> Thataway

Thanks, was not aware of that.

Wow, I kind of love all of it. I am absolutely using those ladies in my 40k games as Eversor assassins as well.

Into the imperial weirdball list with you!

this thursday, twitch session.

I like GW sculptors in their quest to produce dumber and dumber looking high heels (because nothing says 'athletic' like being forced to make tiny, slow steps, am I rite?) actually made ones where the heel part can't even reach the ground, making it in effect hoof fetish boot. Like My Little Pony cosplay. Because first thing you want in your shambling, reanimated zombie is tripping and falling on the face with every other step, eh?

Though yeah, with some conversion it might actually make quite nice eversor.

 Albertorius wrote:
I'm... not a fan. The zombie ladies come from nowhere, and not in a good way, and the... Katniss Everdeen wannabes? Er, I don't quite dislike them, but the bows seem like a baffling choice.

Why? In the hive, you don't need full gun range 95% of the time, and quiet, poisoned weapon would be actually quite useful, I imagine. Especially seeing you don't need to worry about wind and stuff, compound bows would be almost as accurate as lasers with a little training.

NEED that Escher book and the models of the girls but the beasts - really awful

 Irbis wrote:
Why? In the hive, you don't need full gun range 95% of the time, and quiet, poisoned weapon would be actually quite useful, I imagine. Especially seeing you don't need to worry about wind and stuff, compound bows would be almost as accurate as lasers with a little training.

Wel, for starters bows need to be drawn, which should probably be kind of an issue in many parts of a hive, and in many more parts of the underhive. Plus, you need to be straight, which makes you noticeable (at least with that kind of bigass, compund bow). Plus, bigass ammunition, that will fall down whenever you do... many things.

Also, as you say you don't need full gun range 95% of the time, so... why not blowguns, if poison is the point of the thing?

And honestly, given the kind of life hivers live and the kind of tech they have and the stuff they know, I'm not exactly sure that a bow shouldn't be archeotech ^^.

 Albertorius wrote:
I'm... not a fan. The zombie ladies come from nowhere, and not in a good way, and the... Katniss Everdeen wannabes? Er, I don't quite dislike them, but the bows seem like a baffling choice.

The catrats are alright, better than the resin ones we saw.

Now, to be fair, the "zombie ladies" have been a thing since they released Kria.

zamerion wrote:
With this sinister aspect of the Escher, what guild do you think will be release with them?

Seeing that the book is finer than the goliath, it seems to be true that not all books will come with a new gang.. A pity because it would fit perfectly a gang of evil doctors

I'd expect them to be allied with the Corpse Guild, although that's based entirely on the above-mentioned zombie ladies, because without that I don't see the Escher having much overlap with any of the Guilds. Maybe the Water Guild, in a "the Government is putting Black Helicopters in our water!"-conspiracy kind of way, although that feels like a stretch...

More goodies!

 The Phazer wrote:
Bit disappointed with these. Not nearly as good as the Goliaths and the cats look ludicrous. Harder to turn into the Juves they should be too.

Those will be extremely easy to turn into Juves. There are multiple single arm bits that point in different directions.

The Forgeborn are a chore because they're gripping two-handed weapons.

New plastic gang weapons inbound? That article seems to indicate it...

Agreed Altruizine, I think the Escher Prospects are much better than the Goliath ones in either use-case; used as they are, they do a better job drawing attention away from the bodies being repeat sculpts, and yeah they'll be an easier job to convert for Juves because they're not hefting big two-handed things & also regular Escher arms will probably fit them fairly easily in terms of size & proportions.

The Death Maidens suffer from their paintjob I think(seriously what is going on with FW's painting, it's been consistently wonky for at least a couple of years now), I expect they'll look a lot better in hand.

That new Enforcer lady though, noice. I don't tend to use named characters much, but she'll probably end up converted into a normal Champion.

 Albertorius wrote:
Wel, for starters bows need to be drawn, which should probably be kind of an issue in many parts of a hive, and in many more parts of the underhive.

To be fair, there's a lot of places where guns would have an issue in the hive as well. Tight corridors, locations surrounded by explosive materials, dust clouds where a single spark could ignite the air, and so on. But I think the Rule of Cool is what Necromunda lives by - otherwise, the idea of swinging a giant circular saw around on a chain would seem more out of place than bows.

Plus, you need to be straight, which makes you noticeable (at least with that kind of bigass, compund bow). Plus, bigass ammunition, that will fall down whenever you do... many things.

If you are primarily hunting animals, none of that matters. Also, bows have several advantages - they can be cheaply acquired and maintained (unlike guns), ammo can be reused, they are silent, arrow flight paths can lead to shots guns can't pull off and can be used to hide the location of the archer, arrows can pierce Kevlar body armor, you can attach bombs/ropes/tracking devices to arrows or light them on fire, a wound from an arrow would slow down its target more than a bullet wound (and do more damage being removed haphazardly), and so on.

Also, as you say you don't need full gun range 95% of the time, so... why not blowguns, if poison is the point of the thing?

Because blowguns are a sneaky, weasely low tech weapon that would more belong to ratskins or Cawdor than the strong, take no crap Escher aesthetic. They are thematically linked to the Amazon tribes of old. Warrior women, not sneak theives.

Cyber mastiffs- shut-up and take my money!

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Wel, for starters bows need to be drawn, which should probably be kind of an issue in many parts of a hive, and in many more parts of the underhive.

To be fair, there's a lot of places where guns would have an issue in the hive as well. Tight corridors, locations surrounded by explosive materials, dust clouds where a single spark could ignite the air, and so on. But I think the Rule of Cool is what Necromunda lives by - otherwise, the idea of swinging a giant circular saw around on a chain would seem more out of place than bows.

I can understand rule of cool, of course. It's just maybe that I don't think it's that cool. And everywhere guns are an issue, well, bows are the same issue, but bigger.

If you are primarily hunting animals, none of that matters. Also, bows have several advantages - they can be cheaply acquired and maintained (unlike guns), ammo can be reused, they are silent, arrow flight paths can lead to shots guns can't pull off and can be used to hide the location of the archer, arrows can pierce Kevlar body armor, you can attach bombs/ropes/tracking devices to arrows or light them on fire, a wound from an arrow would slow down its target more than a bullet wound (and do more damage being removed haphazardly), and so on.

Nothing you say above even needs bows... and for starters, that kind of bows can't really be made that cheaply, in comparison with a lasgun, which might be the dirtiest of the dirt cheap ^^. Or a hand cannon.

Lasers should be quieter than arrows, and can be on an invisible to human eye wavelenght. If you go solid shot gun, you can change the flightpath altering the propeller amount, both lasers and bullets also pierce kevlar, anything you can shot at with an arrow you can shot at with either a laser or a bullet... other than the arrow dangling around more, I don't see an arrow wound slowing down more than a gunshot or a las shot, etc.

We don't really know if they're supposed to be game hunters, only that they are "Wyld Runners, bold explorers who hunt the Underhive", but of course they won't be doing that in a gang anyway ^^.

All that said, being more similar to a regular gun I could see crossbows being used.

OTOH, this has led me to wonder... how would a hiver even know what a bow is? I mean, it's whatever deep into the future, many ages detached from anything outside of the hive, and they don't really spend too much time lecturing them anyways... it's kind of funny, in a way ^^.

But at the end of the day it's obviously a rule of cool thing, and to some people they will be cool and to some it won't. They are certainly much more appealing than the Goliath prospects just because they'll be easier to tweak.

Because blowguns are a sneaky, weasely low tech weapon that would more belong to ratskins or Cawdor than the strong, take no crap Escher aesthetic. They are thematically linked to the Amazon tribes of old. Warrior women, not sneak theives.

Poisons are also usually sneaky and weasely, and yet, here we are

Also, that lady enforcer and the dog are so, so cool

Does Forgeworld occasionally include head variants with models, or is that a tip-off that Servalen is plastic?

She's a really cool model. I still hate that Enforcers are stuck to stub guns, though.

 Altruizine wrote:
Does Forgeworld occasionally include head variants with models, or is that a tip-off that Servalen is plastic?

She's a really cool model. I still hate that Enforcers are stuck to stub guns, though.

Yes, they do with certain character models. Their 30k Praetor models do come with alternative heads for example

 Mangod wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I'm... not a fan. The zombie ladies come from nowhere, and not in a good way, and the... Katniss Everdeen wannabes? Er, I don't quite dislike them, but the bows seem like a baffling choice.

The catrats are alright, better than the resin ones we saw.

Now, to be fair, the "zombie ladies" have been a thing since they released Kria.

...huh. I obviously didn't pay enough attention (it's... something alright). Still, those minis look horrid IMHO ^^, and from what I see of her, she was "just" supposed to get resurrected? The vibe she gives me is nothing like these new ones.