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Not really, proper kit do have detail for the belly, that flat belly problem for monsters/horses usually occur in snap fit kit.

New book is to no surprise full of errors (some was even visible in warcom article). Do not recommend.

Baxx wrote:
New book is to no surprise full of errors (some was even visible in warcom article). Do not recommend.

You have any details on the mistakes?

Errors:
Stun grenades cost 25. Comment: Is this increased price on purpose? Goliath book had 25 and 15 (depending on fighter). Delaque has 10, Enforcers 15 and Trading Post (Rare 8) 15.
Page 33, 35, 37, 39: Chem-syth. Comment: Chem-synth.
Page 41: Smoke gas grenades. Comment: Smoke grenades (no such thing as smoke gas grenades).
Page 79 & 82: 2 separate ways of adding Cold Traders to the crew, the old one (replaces a fighter) and the new one (in addition to full crew). Comment: One is probably copy-paste of old rules.
Page 92: Somersault (Finesse skill) action does not count as moving for purposes of effects and for firing of weapons with the unwieldy trait. Comment: How is this relevant to Unwieldy? Unwieldy isn't affected by movement but makes shooting a double action.
Page 115: Throwing Knives Str S. Comment: This is a Toxin weapon with Str -.
Page 117: Two-handed axe has Acc modifier '-'. Comment: Should have -1 hit modifier.
Page 117: Two-handed hammer has Acc modifier '-'. Comment: Should have -1 hit modifier.
Page 210: Ogryn (Hangers-on) have Augmetic Fists. Comment: The weapon profile is not listed in this book.
Page 112: Artwork of Escher specific Power Axe. Comment: Escher Equipment Lists no longer includes Power Axe. Yet the profile of Power Knife is actually the profile of a Power Axe.
Page 106 & 107: Back from the Dead scenario:
- Sneak Attack rules with the single Escher fighter as defender. Comment: Sneak Attack applies to defender. This makes no sense, the attacker and defender should be swapped, or an exception should state that the attackers are the Sentries in this scenario.
- Fighters can scavenge corpse tokens to gain temporary weapons. Comment: No mention of distance. Probably 1" or B2B.

Universal flaws applying to all "House of..." books:
House Agents: What happens when Petitioning for House Agent and the gang gets fined (2D6*10 credits), but can't pay? The fined result (16+) will never trigger because no gang with 10+ Reputation is going to roll for Petition. Since House Agents have a variable cost, what is their contribution to gang rating? Their Equipment rule state the free equipment you get for them should be accounted for when determining Gang Rating, but what is the base value of the House Agent? Generic has a rating of 40 or 80 credits? Special Character has rating of 100 or 200?
Bounty Hunter (Generic): Can equip items from the Trading Post, but does not specify any limitation in Rarity. The old (universal) generic Bounty Hunter could use items with rarity 10 or less.
Promotion: Specialist (Gangers) can be promoted to Champion, but refers to promotion old rules when only the single original Champion fighter type existed. It is unclear what types of Champions a Specialists can be promoted to now, since there are 2 types. Comparing promotion of prospects (new 'specialist' juve fighter), this varies depending on gang: Goliath: Prospect can be promoted to Champion or Stimmer. Escher: Prospect can be promoted to Champion only (not Death-maiden for obvious fluff reasons).

A few notes of exceptions:
Ulanti Noble Alliance: No Group Activations. The Courtier is originally labeled “Leader” but only have Leading By Example (6”) equivalent to a Champion (similar to Greim). The “Leader” does not have Overseer. Mirror Mask does not have a fighter type (does not have Bodyguard, Indentured Fighter etc.).

Changes and updates:
Water Guild: Now specifies how many fighters are part of the Nautican Syphoning Delegation: 1 Leader, 1 Champion and 1 Ganger. Comment: It was expected to have 1 ganger instead of 2 like most other alliances, since this fighter has very strong stats (similar to Ogryn).
Cold Traders: Xenos Artefacts changed from -2 Legality for Xenos items (Black Market) to fixed prices for Sling gun (55) and Armourweave (20) to any fighter with Leading By Example (12"/6"). Also the Leader no longer receives a free Xenos weapon.
Cool tests for fleeing the battlefield is moved to End phase (described in the same way in Goliath book).

FIXED ERRORS FROM ERRATA (2020-09-02):
Page 33, 35, 37 & 46: Phyrr Cat is 120 credits on the fighter page and 130 credits in the house weapon lists. Comment: Correct cost is 120 (not 130).
Page 115: Boltgun Am 4+. Comment: Correct Am is 6+.
Page 115: Wyld bow D '-'. Comment: Correct Damage is 1.
Page 117: Power knife has the profile of Power Axe. Comment: Corrected to use power knife profile.
Page 117: Venom Claw is missing Melee trait. Comment: Now includes Melee.

It is a real shame they don't seem to have got a grip on proofreading for this game still.

Props to Baxx, that is a very through list

Yes, that's very comprehensive - (one note, think you've mentioned Water Guild twice when you meant Cold Traders, but it's clear what you mean)

And "Chem-syth" makes me laugh. Darth Vader on drugs.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Props to Baxx, that is a very through list

Thanks, however I forgot to mention this list has been reported from many necromunda champions over at yaktribe. The goal is to identify and hopefully get an official errata, or at least make them visible so people who play with each other can agree on how to fix them.


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 Graphite wrote:
Yes, that's very comprehensive - (one note, think you've mentioned Water Guild twice when you meant Cold Traders, but it's clear what you mean)

And "Chem-syth" makes me laugh. Darth Vader on drugs.

Yeah it was originally formatted differently with bullet points from another forum.

Chem-syth is just thrown in there for fun, not a big deal (in my opinion), unlike other errors like having 2 different costs for Phyrr cat, which is annoying.

Baxx wrote:

Changes and updates:
Water Guild: Now specifies how many fighters are part of the Nautican Syphoning Delegation: 1 Leader, 1 Champion and 1 Ganger. Comment: It was expected to have 1 ganger instead of 2 like most other alliances, since this fighter has very strong stats (similar to Ogryn).
Water Guild: Xenos Artefacts changed from -2 Legality for Xenos items (Black Market) to fixed prices for Sling gun (55) and Armourweave (20) to any fighter with Leading By Example (12"/6"). Also the Leader no longer receives a free Xenos weapon.
Cool tests for fleeing the battlefield is moved to End phase (described in the same way in Goliath book).

Were both of these for the Water Guild or possible for the Cold Traders?

Goonhammer review is up and gives a decent rundown of the new book:

https://www.goonhammer.com/necromunday-house-of-blades-review/

Baxx wrote:
Thanks, however I forgot to mention this list has been reported from many necromunda champions over at yaktribe. The goal is to identify and hopefully get an official errata, or at least make them visible so people who play with each other can agree on how to fix them.

And I can keep sending the queries/issues directly to Andy if you want.

Go ahead, can't hurt, but I'm not holding my breath.

Several of the sold out tactics cards people are so crazy about have awful quality too, but I don't have enough energy to go through them all.


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 zedmeister wrote:
Goonhammer review is up and gives a decent rundown of the new book:

https://www.goonhammer.com/necromunday-house-of-blades-review/

Nice to see they mention some of the errors. It is a little bit shallow. Noticed they summarized how many combinations you could make with the new chems, but couldn't help thinking that not all chems can be combined freely (some are blasts only, others are template only).

Some discussions are leaning towards Escher being very weak after this update, partially because of the cost increase.


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 Vain wrote:

Were both of these for the Water Guild or possible for the Cold Traders?

Thanks, you are right, last one applies to Cold Traders. It is updated.

 The Phazer wrote:
It is a real shame they don't seem to have got a grip on proofreading for this game still.

No need to waste resources on additional proof reading.
Effectively, this is the third book to keep us up to date with Escher in three years.
People continue to buy (If I don’t buy this GW will stop making anything for Necromunda), so it would seem pointless to put in any more effort.

 privateer4hire wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
It is a real shame they don't seem to have got a grip on proofreading for this game still.

No need to waste resources on additional proof reading.
Effectively, this is the third book to keep us up to date with Escher in three years.
People continue to buy (If I don’t buy this GW will stop making anything for Necromunda), so it would seem pointless to put in any more effort.

You're describing capitalism.

Would be interesting to know how many people do, in fact, "continue to buy".

There have definitely been people who bought into the initial Gang Wars, maybe were convinced to get the compendium later, but have stopped purchasing since. And, on the other end of the spectrum, people who only started buying with the "House of..." books as these could conceivably actually be the final versions for some time to come. (Something obviously also believed with the Gang War books, and then the compendium, but surely, this time for real... surely..?)

Honestly its hard to conceive of GW changing the pattern again after individual gang books. Changing the core book and releasing expansion books sure; but I'd wager with core books out they'd settle the game into a similar pattern as their main franchise games.

It's just that Necromunda has rapidly evolved from what was basically a testing out starter set and a few more gangs to a full blown long term game

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Would be interesting to know how many people do, in fact, "continue to buy”

Most people, as most buyers probably aren’t playing Necromunda as much as reading and painting Necromunda.

Games Workshop were never good at the rules part and so long as the books and minis sell they will never be a priority.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Would be interesting to know how many people do, in fact, "continue to buy”

Most people, as most buyers probably aren’t playing Necromunda as much as reading and painting Necromunda.

Games Workshop were never good at the rules part and so long as the books and minis sell they will never be a priority.

Good point - not likely to get many games of anything this side of Christmas.

So reading stuff is main way to enjoy the Warhammer worlds

It seems likely to me that they will produce the remaining three gang books next year and introduce a new edition at the end of 2021 or early 22.

Well, I know for sure that I am one that stopped buying Necromunda books altogether. And boy are there reasons to do it.

The amount of errors in that book is pitiful. Absolutely pitiful that something like that was even printed.

 The Phazer wrote:
It is a real shame they don't seem to have got a grip on proofreading for this game still.

This game? Try GW products in general. But people keep lapping them up, so it's not like they've a reason to pay for proof readers.

 The Phazer wrote:
It is a real shame they don't seem to have got a grip on proofreading for this game still.

A surprise they haven't hired Baxx to do it tbh. I have a feeling we'd get a decent book if they did.

Maybe they will for N21.

It would take minimal effort to clean up the majority of these issues. Many are repeat offenders going on for years. I interpret it as a lack of respect from GW, both to the game and to the players.

The book may be fun and good in many aspects and can be enjoyed by most people. At the same time it is flawed and could have been a lot better.

Given that this is the same new and improved GW who let an entire edition of 40K pass with broken Assault weapon rules which were identified as a problem before the game even officially launched, I don't know why anybody would expect anything else from them...

They blatantly don't give a poop, and unless people stop buying what they're squeezing out, nothing will change.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Given that this is the same new and improved GW who let an entire edition of 40K pass with broken Assault weapon rules which were identified as a problem before the game even officially launched

The assault weapon thing was only a "problem" for a small group of trolls who fixated on one sentence and refused to look at the rest of the page. It was nowhere near as bad as examples on this page, because it was plainly obvious what the rule was (even to said trolls, only one of two of them pretended otherwise) with zero guesswork involved.

That said, I am last person who excuses GW writers (having stated tons of times some of them are plainly incompetent) but that's what happens when small company with initial crew grows organically. What you'd rather do? Fire the early members and replace them with mechanically competent people who might not have any 'feel' of the setting resulting in what many would term 'soulless' game? Or accept nobody is perfect and play with rules as intended, with GW FAQs ruling on said intent in ambiguous cases (ignoring dumb trolls who try to bait people insisting only RAW exists and a single typo means game is LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE)? Said FAQs have gotten much better in last two years, BTW, sure, they could be even better but hey, baby steps, I will take it over Kelly leaving Eldar completely broken for two editions with no GW changes.

Also, funnily enough, GW had a competent writer who could deliver one of the most balanced editions in 40K history, with little FAQs and changes needed, tight ruleset, the works. I seem to recall loud, extremely vocal yet tiny minority of whiners hounded him out of company because while the guy certainly 'got' the setting and put many nice details from Rogue Trader back in, they didn't liked literally a single sentence he wrote. When you have clowns who don't care about rules, only to make their own pet sub-faction look good, and are ready to ruin the game because they can't stand SM chapters liking one primarch, maybe, just maybe, it's not really GW's fault we're in this mess, you know.

 Irbis wrote:
That said, I am last person who excuses GW writers (having stated tons of times some of them are plainly incompetent) but that's what happens when small company with initial crew grows organically. What you'd rather do? Fire the early members and replace them with mechanically competent people who might not have any 'feel' of the setting resulting in what many would term 'soulless' game? Or accept nobody is perfect and play with rules as intended, with GW FAQs ruling on said intent in ambiguous cases (ignoring dumb trolls who try to bait people insisting only RAW exists and a single typo means game is LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE)? Said FAQs have gotten much better in last two years, BTW, sure, they could be even better but hey, baby steps, I will take it over Kelly leaving Eldar completely broken for two editions with no GW changes.

That reasoning simply doesn't fly for GW, particularly for the Specialist Games. Andy Hoare, the Specialist Games Manager, started working at GW a full 25 years after it was formed, and that's the most veteran member of the whole team. James Hewitt, the actual designer of the game, only worked at GW for two years and wasn't even "raised" on it. Also, as far as I know, he wasn't even alive in 1975.

Plus, I've worked at GW, and there's nothing "small company" in it, except for them being really, really stingy. Not even at the level I worked.

I think it’s actually the opposite problem, a lot of their employees are just doing a job. They’re not game obsessed, OCD, nerds who’ve committed the entire game to memory like hardcore fans, therefore they don’t spot this stuff.

 Jadenim wrote:
I think it’s actually the opposite problem, a lot of their employees are just doing a job. They’re not game obsessed, OCD, nerds who’ve committed the entire game to memory like hardcore fans, therefore they don’t spot this stuff.

Not good enough.

This isn't people not having the same interpretation as other players who spend more time thinking about it. These are actual errors in the text.

Take the very first example from this book: The power blade has the power axe's profile, and Escher cannot purchase the power axe anymore as it's not on their list. This was noticed immediately upon people getting the book. Such a mistake shouldn't be made.

Now if it was just that mistake, then fine, no one is perfect. Things will slip through; it's inevitable. But look at Baxx's list. It's HUGE.

You don't have to be an "obsessed OCD nerd" to see these things, but hey, way to rag on everyone who finds mistakes. Real classy!