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I wonder if we'll see some 'upgrade sprues' for the Goliath Truck & Atalan Jackals, or if they'll re-cut the sprues with gangers rather than GSC..
(but you can always kitbash/convert)

It's possible the land train could have a generic crew (just a servitor wired into the cab) and lots of flat space for whichever gang you want to put in it.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's possible the land train could have a generic crew (just a servitor wired into the cab) and lots of flat space for whichever gang you want to put in it.

If they'd have any sense, they'd leave the crew and weapons out and have them on a gang upgrade sprue alongside interior details for one of the containers (Escher with Chem vats, Delaque with Scanners, Goliath with dumbells and lifting benches)

 Overread wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

GW could make generic vehicles they can sell to anyone, with generic/mercenary crew if you will to complete them, and then make an upgrade sprue for each faction that has both crew and upgrade parts to let vehicles represent your faction.

Not sure if that's going to happen, though. Necromunda makes use of upgrade sprues, so the idea is already established in principle. But it really depends how much in love the designers are with their special snowflake freakshow. These days STC doesn't mean anything anymore and everything is custom for maximum faction identity. A generic vehicle doesn't really fit into that paradigm anymore, as much as I'd like it to.

The problem is that to try and make a single kit that can cover the chunky Goliaths, the light Escher, the Techno Delaque and others - you could do it but its going to be one huge single kit with a vast amount of options. Or you'll be selling a generic "hull" with a bunch of addon kits, each one specific to a house.

I just don't see it being possible really. Esp as these are likely going to feature a lot of open top vehicles and such. Even something as small as a bike would need different proportions for different riders and different legs and upper bodies and arms and head and all.


I think GW will go into this with a sensible approach to diversity and we'll see at least one unique kit per faction that will build at least one or more vehicle types.
What I do think we will see are new factions that appear only in this road-wars game.



Another thing to consider is transports, I'm sure we'll get a chance to put people on foot; heck GW might even go for mounted rules so that if your vehicle takes enough damage you can stop/crash and (on a dice roll with the latter) alight and continue the fight on foot.

Goliaths, sure, those guys may be a little on the wide side. The others are all more or less similar in bulk. An Escher or Delaquee not filling out a seat as much as an armored Van Saar really shouldn't be a problem. You'd have to get creative with Goliaths, but it's hardly impossible. Make the driver area roomy enough to accommodate a Goliath but have a default normal people seat in there for the gangs' upgrade sprue drivers to go. The Goliath sprue would have to include and alternate, swappable seat, possibly with integrated driver legs. Closed cab is another option.

True, everyone riding the same bikes wouldn't work, but bikes are hardly large. There's more something like the Orlock jetpacks or Van Saar skyboards that are on a gang specific sprue.

 zedmeister wrote:
I reckon the bigger land trains will be generic kits with gang add ons. Smaller buggies and bikes being gang specific.

Yeah, there's a good chance of that. There's no way GW is going to make half a dozen or more large land train kits.

Indeed, you also have to consider this is the Specialist Games department so they don't have as much access to plastic production. They're not going to hoover up their entire plastic allocation for 6 different large vehicle hulls leaving the rest of their games to resin production

I think it will be generic kit for train which is basically 3 containers with wheels and locomotive... then different faction transfers for that. And the rest will be clan sets and upgrades.

On the video the train stopped and they were sabotaged but IIRC there was no other vehicles right?

 zedmeister wrote:
Indeed, you also have to consider this is the Specialist Games department so they don't have as much access to plastic production. They're not going to hoover up their entire plastic allocation for 6 different large vehicle hulls leaving the rest of their games to resin production

I mean they hoovered it up for multiple different plastic kits for Necromunda and we've recently seen weapon packs shift from resin to plastic. GW is clearly investing more into giving specialist games more plastic access and chances are this goes hand in hand with them expanding operations and likely improving their workflow and warehousing as covid safe practice starts to come to an end and staff can likely return to working shoulder-to-shoulder and not having to walk only one way around the factory and such

I think it's tough to say. Necromunda has obviously been a good enough seller to get continued releases and more access to plastic production, so there's definitely more than one gang box every three months possible (Covid delays aside). But if you replace the single box of old with two boxes, say for a House core vehicle (heavy buggy, for instance) and escort vehicle (bikes and trikes) box to get the full Mad Max treatment to all factions, you just doubled the amount of kits per release slot. And you'd be looking at the same old problem of the six Houses taking a year and a half before we get to the last one. Then there's Outcasts, there is obvious need to slot in Ash Waste Nomads, you may want Enforcers to join the action (including that young hotshot called Max ) and that leaves out any Xenos, critters or cultists (although Genestealers happen to be in a good spot here, so they don't count). Also, terrain.

That is a lot of stuff, and potentially a years-long wait for the unlucky factions at the end of the queue. My suggestions for upgrade kits for generic vehicles is partially motivated by that. Once the actual vehicles are out, and provided GW could be bothered to release upgrades for more than one faction at once, you could cut down the wait by half and get everyone in on the action by summer next year (not true, because Covid, but you know).

Now of course you could say that's been Necromunda for the past five years, but hey, since GW has increased its production capacity (except for Covid, but you know) they may want to pick up the pace if Necromunda really is as good a seller as its continued plastic support suggests.

Judging from the current pace of releases production and/or distribution is still very much struggling and GW was already like 6 months behind with releases 6 months ago. I wouldn't put any money on them picking up the pace, if anything the vaguness of the announcements with no timelines implies they've resigned themselves to "it's ready when it's ready" rather than making solid plans.

It's also likely because the current situation keeps throwing random things into the mix that mess up forecasts. Even if the virus keeps at bay there's issues with shipping to consider. A container load of plastics or boxes that gets stuck in port somewhere or a sudden sharp rise in costs which makes them cut a side games releases to save money etc... All are things that can mess up the flow.

Also whilst the Omicron variant is proving to be less serious, it still can pass through a population super fast so suddenly you can end up with most of your work force off sick for a week.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Judging from the current pace of releases production and/or distribution is still very much struggling and GW was already like 6 months behind with releases 6 months ago. I wouldn't put any money on them picking up the pace, if anything the vaguness of the announcements with no timelines implies they've resigned themselves to "it's ready when it's ready" rather than making solid plans.

Well 6 months for some, on time for others. Fury & Deep box was released on the month it was planned by the time it was completed product wise.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's possible the land train could have a generic crew (just a servitor wired into the cab) and lots of flat space for whichever gang you want to put in it.

In the video, the drivers looked like they had enforcer type helmets. Definitely a different vibe to the gang security in the cargo cars. The attackers also approached with lots of foot step sounds, like attack of the Ninjas or something. No big VRRROOOOOOM! like what a passing buggy should have sounded like. The blurry pictures of the attackers could be some sort of buggy but it could also be some dark eldar type open sand skiff.


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Either way, I'm ready

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It would fit GW's MO to put two new gangs with a vehicle each in the starter box, then bring house gangs into the game one by one over the course of 18 months with a new codex and custom vehicle. That way they force everyone to buy a new gang while they wait for their old gang to be viable again.

However I still think it's going to be generic vehicles, one by one, and each book will be tied to a vehicle kit, like I said on the onset.

Book of Truck
Book of Buggy
Book of Bike

And I insist that all the books together will invalidate the get-you-by book in the giant box.

Outside the new vehicle mechanics, it would be pretty easy to guess what's coming. Another 7 cycle (3-1-3) campaign. No catch-up mechanics (winner takes all). More territories. More skills (broken and imbalanced). More weapons. More bounty hunters. More scenarios (run/drive across the board, into the enemy, pick up some boxes and run back to your side again). A chance to make random changes to core rules. Not looking forward to this at all.

But the kits man.......the kits! Plenty of old rules to use if you want.

I don’t think we will see a regurgitation of the house gangs plus vehicles. I think the logistics of the gangs have been laid out pretty well across the books, and outside the confines of Hive Primus, the Orlocks rule the highways. That said, they will have a house gang presence in what’s coming, but the others will only through possible new factions as proxies, or Their relationship to House Orlock. The article Yesterday tells us only some of what’s coming will be familiar. The rest are new factions. That doesn’t leave much room for the established houses, from my pov.

Yeah, I'm hoping instead of enforcer patrols, we'll see the Spiders on patrol...

 zedmeister wrote:
Yeah, I'm hoping instead of enforcer patrols, we'll see the Spiders on patrol...

The PDF or the 8 legged kind?



Either way I'm in.

Probably both

Eight legged ones riding the PDF.

 zedmeister wrote:
Yeah, I'm hoping instead of enforcer patrols, we'll see the Spiders on patrol...

Spiders are Guard, not PDF.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
But the kits man.......the kits! Plenty of old rules to use if you want.

Couldn't care less about new kits to be honest. There are so many new kits every day, week and months. If I wanted to create mad max vehicles, I would have done so with everything that's already available. Don't need a new boxed game to do so.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Spiders are Guard, not PDF.

So? Can't I wishlist?

Sure, but that's like wishing for calzones and talking about pizza.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Yeah, I'm hoping instead of enforcer patrols, we'll see the Spiders on patrol...

Spiders are Guard, not PDF.

Well technically Spider is (at least in the older lore) a house and a high up one, above the usual six we know...
They ran both the PDF and raising regiments for the guard.
Don't know if that would still be the case in modern lore...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Eight legged ones riding the PDF.

Araknaroks? PDF on massive spiders with a heavy stubber in the howda? Or is that more a Nomad look?

Either way...


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And yes, I did notice you meant the spiders were riding the humans. I'm sure that was in Doctor Who....

 Guardling wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Yeah, I'm hoping instead of enforcer patrols, we'll see the Spiders on patrol...

Spiders are Guard, not PDF.

Well technically Spider is (at least in the older lore) a house and a high up one, above the usual six we know...
They ran both the PDF and raising regiments for the guard.
Don't know if that would still be the case in modern lore...

So, I can't find anything about it currently...but from what I can spot?

It says they were a "clan" and "gang", not a House. That dates back to C: Imperialis though.

Since that timeframe, PDF has been distinguished from Guard. PDFs are "local", ranging from instances like the Spiders where it is a ruling House controlled+outfitted gang while the Guard are controlled by the Imperium proper.

The Spiders were a house gang that got so large and successful that they were recruited wholesale as the Necromundan 8th Regiment. No-one knows what House they were originally from but then Houses rise and fall and change over time. The current big six are neither the only ones currently on Necromunda, nor the only ones to ever exist.

That said, the Van Saar do use the spider as their logo…

Dread Master wrote:
I don’t think we will see a regurgitation of the house gangs plus vehicles. I think the logistics of the gangs have been laid out pretty well across the books, and outside the confines of Hive Primus, the Orlocks rule the highways. That said, they will have a house gang presence in what’s coming, but the others will only through possible new factions as proxies, or Their relationship to House Orlock. The article Yesterday tells us only some of what’s coming will be familiar. The rest are new factions. That doesn’t leave much room for the established houses, from my pov.

Agreed, I think SG will design 4+ new factions, they'll be more-or-less standalone, but may have favourable relationships with a specific gang and rules to integrate that gang into this setting expansion.

 zedmeister wrote:
Indeed, you also have to consider this is the Specialist Games department so they don't have as much access to plastic production. They're not going to hoover up their entire plastic allocation for 6 different large vehicle hulls leaving the rest of their games to resin production

It isn't like there are Titanicus or Aeronautica releases getting in the way. If the Norse team is plastic and not resin, that is likely the only thing jamming up their schedule.

All I can think of Ash Wastes, is that Dark Future was a thing once*, drawing on (sorry, 'inspired by') Car Wars, and is now running headlong into Gorkamorka and getting mashed up in Necromunda so it can get totally branded as 'this was totally our thing all along' IP protection and spill back into the world with a new look.

So I look forward to seeing what kind of vehicles and gangers are going to be zooming around the post apocalyptic future, regardless of what name is on the box. Hopefully the gangs will be a little more intersting than the 2017 redux.

*Plus all the one-off racing games they did in WD along the way.