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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Thanks to DaveC in the WarCry thread.



Too rich for my needs. Got loads already.

Yikes.

So is that 230€, same as Dark Uprising?

Dark Uprising
+ Stronghold
- two 150% sized gangs
- rules and dice

Just about a wash.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So is that 230€, same as Dark Uprising?

Dark Uprising
+ Stronghold
- two 150% sized gangs
- rules and dice

Just about a wash.

€224 $280 same as the Rohan Stronghold.

The hell kind of price band is 224€

Looks like 207 GBP / 270€ of content if we're generious valuing the OOP pipes, I don't recall if that's half a box or a quarter of a box. 15% ish discount is much worse than what we're used to in this size category.


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I guess I'm still getting one if retail discounts apply, I was going to get the walls and stairs anyway and a 3rd Stronghold half off is something I guess, and pipes and barricades instead of a second doors sprue is fine.

Yikes.244 euros is a price I am not comfortable with. Now I regret missing Hive Warzone even more.

£170?

Better off buying an Ender 3 printer for the same price and then infinite terrain, forever.

I'm currently printing a necromunda shanty town table using these freebie files: https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/shanty-houses

The zone sector is a good set, but you're probably looking at needing 3 of them to cover a table well and that's where it starts to sting, I think at £100-125 it would have been a huge hit.

scarletsquig wrote:
The zone sector is a good set, but you're probably looking at needing 3 of them to cover a table well and that's where it starts to sting, I think at £100-125 it would have been a huge hit.

This hobby is so absurd when you consider sentences like this. Three sets is like.. 690 USD and that's all unassembled product that you still need a ton of other things to actually use.

I think two of these would be sufficient for a 3x3.

I feel like releasing the individual kits would build more hype for the bundle, as we would all be guessing at how small the discount would be and folks that didn't want to break the bank could get the parts they really wanted. Instead we are all talking about an insane price for people starting out to pay for a hill of grey plastic. Their terrain is cool, but it's easy enough to make walls and stairs outa junk. Why are they inflating the price so much and selling in bundles so big they seem like restock orders for bits sellers.

The…the constituent parts are already available separately?

Value is relative but at the end of the day its just freaking miniature plastic walls and stairs. Doesn't matter how much in the box I would not pay more than £50 for that sort of product. Terrain is terrain after all and back to the old days where we had NONE there was still very nice tables around.

Today market has options so yeah.
Specially bad due to Necromunda verticality but I rather do it myself to be honest.

Well you can see plenty of plastic Zone Mortalis builds on the interwebs that cost mre than a car

This Zone mortalis plastic set is just amazing in both modularity and quality… However it really benefits most from the separate plastic tiles. A 3x3 board of this is just awesome to play on for any type of killteam of necromunda campaign.

Mdf may be cheaper but quality wise it’s also much cheaper… my only complaint on this set is how expensive it is and I was really hoping this box would be cheaper as said you really need 2 of these boxes as a base for a good size board.

I still may pick up this box from a 3rd party retailer with 15% off… and I already own 9 tiles, 4 wall boxes and 2 stair boxes, 1 old and 1 newer pipe, and a stronghold. All I need is this and a market place to fill out my perfect 3x3 board for kill team, necromunda or a crusade combat patrol size game.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well you can see plenty of plastic Zone Mortalis builds on the interwebs that cost mre than a car

And you don't need to assemble and glue together either

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well you can see plenty of plastic Zone Mortalis builds on the interwebs that cost mre than a car

I always want to know when I see those online whether the person who owns them is incredibly wealthy or just terrible with their money.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well you can see plenty of plastic Zone Mortalis builds on the interwebs that cost mre than a car

I always want to know when I see those online whether the person who owns them is incredibly wealthy or just terrible with their money.

Why not both?

gungo wrote:
This Zone mortalis plastic set is just amazing in both modularity and quality… However it really benefits most from the separate plastic tiles. A 3x3 board of this is just awesome to play on for any type of killteam of necromunda campaign.

I find the tiles limiting in terms of variety and aesthetic options.

They're fine if you're committed to using nothing but GW terrain, but the second you want to get creative and mix in non-GW stuff-- that isn't sized for the tile grid -- you may encounter problems slotting those dimensions in with everything else. Same problem if you want to do something like a board with streets/structures on a diagonal.

The tiles would be fine if any piece could go on any square but the pillar sub-grid is just asinine.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well you can see plenty of plastic Zone Mortalis builds on the interwebs that cost mre than a car

I always want to know when I see those online whether the person who owns them is incredibly wealthy or just terrible with their money.

There's also the gaming store angle, either paying wholesale prices and perhaps even getting some kind of tax incentive (this isn't a purchase of stock, it's a business expense). It could also be a commission for a gaming club so that price has been split between a bunch of people, or if the youtube channel is big enough then the channel pays for this (or they sell it off afterwards).

And some people are just crazy.

 Tastyfish wrote:
There's also the gaming store angle, either paying wholesale prices and perhaps even getting some kind of tax incentive (this isn't a purchase of stock, it's a business expense).

Not even that. Depending on your level of store account, you could get $200ish worth of product a month for in-store terrain or event prizes.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

I always want to know when I see those online whether the person who owns them is incredibly wealthy or just terrible with their money.

I plead guilty on both charges
… and still thinks this is expensive.

 Altruizine wrote:

gungo wrote:
This Zone mortalis plastic set is just amazing in both modularity and quality… However it really benefits most from the separate plastic tiles. A 3x3 board of this is just awesome to play on for any type of killteam of necromunda campaign.

I find the tiles limiting in terms of variety and aesthetic options.

They're fine if you're committed to using nothing but GW terrain, but the second you want to get creative and mix in non-GW stuff-- that isn't sized for the tile grid -- you may encounter problems slotting those dimensions in with everything else. Same problem if you want to do something like a board with streets/structures on a diagonal.

You can add non-gw terrain to the tiles but you lose the ability to transport this stuff and modularity. For the most part the zone mortal is tiles provide a sturdy base where you don’t need to glue everything together instead you get a Lego like appeal where you can constantly take apart and rebuild into varying setups. The new zone mortalis market terrain doesn’t slot into the tiles and works. There may be some issues with certain pieces not lining up exactly where you want because of the asinine sub-grid layout and the tiles don’t work in diagonals but for the most part you can add anything to these boards.

Rihgu wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well you can see plenty of plastic Zone Mortalis builds on the interwebs that cost mre than a car

I always want to know when I see those online whether the person who owns them is incredibly wealthy or just terrible with their money.

Why not both?

Or perhaps they’re a full grown adult with their own income who once their monthly obligations are paid are free to do precisely as they want with their own money, and certainly aren’t answerable to random chumps on the internet?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Rihgu wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well you can see plenty of plastic Zone Mortalis builds on the interwebs that cost mre than a car

I always want to know when I see those online whether the person who owns them is incredibly wealthy or just terrible with their money.

Why not both?

Or perhaps they’re a full grown adult with their own income who once their monthly obligations are paid are free to do precisely as they want with their own money, and certainly aren’t answerable to random chumps on the internet?

Do you know, I stumbled upon a very intereting video the other day. Can't remember the name or who the host was, but she was talking specifically about GW and their high priced bundles. She made an interesting point about how some people with autism and other disorders struggle with money. This, coupled with FOMO, makes them very suseptible to GW's current limited box set shenanigans. So, back to your point, yes it's none of our business what people spend their cash on. But, mentioning that the limited bundles or these terrain boxes are very highly priced and you'd be better off getting them piecemeal or using alternatives, may get someone currently wound up with hype and FOMO to think again and not overextend themselves financially.

You would not be better off getting them separately though, would you?

Honestly as a community we really need to step away from the continual judging of other peoples perception of value within the hobby.



It's fine to consider something as overpriced; or to consider that the value on offer isn't worth it to ourselves. But we really need to stop imposing that viewpoint upon everyone else within the hobby in general. Our own person assessment of if something is worth the cost isn't the same as another persons. I also think its being rude/spoilsport/downer/etc... to always load that kind of attitude toward things that other people take great joy in buying, building, painting and owning.


There's no problem in saying "I don't like X" or "I think X is overpriced" in moderation or "hey that looks neat but Y from another firm looks better/is cheaper/is easier to work with".

Vorian wrote:
You would not be better off getting them separately though, would you?

Depends on so many things. What's a persons budget? Can they afford to splurge £170 on this considering that there's a load of more GW bundle boxes coming that they could end up wanting (Ash Wastes, the next 40k or the next AoS box)? When are they likely to paint said terrain? Will it just get stuck in storage for 3-5 years? Longer? Would a £30 box be a better investment as their hobby priorities could change or they may hate the experience of painting and they end up with regreting their £170 purchase. I'd say that if you can afford it and are currently building up a Necromunda or 40k board using this terrain and then it'll probably be worth it as you're planning on buying the parts anyway and the box will save you a bit. if you're just going to dump it into storage, then I'd say don't bother as your paying to GW to store the terrain and there's a chance it'll just end up getting sold off for a loss.

Indeed.

Some GW bundles offer no saving. At all. But then, they don’t exactly tend to include exclusive models the way a paired battle set does (at least early access to said models).

But these sets do offer a saving.

And I hate to sound callous, because I’m normally a dirty lefty, but if a given customer has poor impulse control, I’m not really sure what GW can be expected to do about that?

As someone who gets all the GW shinies and dumps them into storage I have to say, I never made a loss getting rid of them. It's not as good as MTG but it's a pretty safe money storage.

Heck if you want to talk about FOMO, MTG is far worse than GW. Sure the price per unit is cheaper, but at the same time top decks for their standard format cycle every few month and the "top cards" can sell for way more than some GW kits all for a single sheet of card with some ink on it. At least with a GW kit a higher price normally means a larger model, with card games a higher value on a card typically just means they randomly printed less of them than other cards (eg the rare cards instead of commons).