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2022/04/30 17:52:22
Subject: Re:Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
H.B.M.C. wrote: Not only that, but certain gangs get extra credits to spend on the vehicles, whilst the other gangs have to just sit and spin.
Crimson wrote: And as answer to my question: no there are no profiles for other vehicles.
Of course not. They don't sell any other vehicles for Necromunda yet. We have to wait for Book of Bugs/Bikes/Buggies/Big Rigs/etc. to come out before we get our drip-fed piecemeal gang-specific vehicles, each with an update of that specific gang, giving us Orlocks/Van Saar/Cawdor V4, Escher and Goliath V5, and Not-Delaques V3. Oh joy!
Vain wrote: I read it more about if we can use GSC Ridge Runner and bikes modded with the appropriate gangers on them etc.
Of course not, because those are Genestealer Cult vehicles, so when we get Book of Ridgerunning Jackals we'll get their four units (leader bike, bike, quad and Ridgerunner).
Why is anyone acting at all surprised by any of this???
Maybe people are sick and tired of GW´s release schedule? Other companies would print a SINGLE book featuring all kinds of vehicles usable by all factions. Then after a few months they may release a new book releasing faction specific vehicles. That is a release policy I would love to support.
But it isn't guaranteed and precisely engineered and designed to bring you absolutely maximum profits possible for the least amount of effort possible, so they're obviously not going to do it.
Result: They lose me as a customer. Gee-Dubs, have fun fleecing compulsive buyers.
2022/04/30 17:58:04
Subject: Re:Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
H.B.M.C. wrote: Not only that, but certain gangs get extra credits to spend on the vehicles, whilst the other gangs have to just sit and spin.
Crimson wrote: And as answer to my question: no there are no profiles for other vehicles.
Of course not. They don't sell any other vehicles for Necromunda yet. We have to wait for Book of Bugs/Bikes/Buggies/Big Rigs/etc. to come out before we get our drip-fed piecemeal gang-specific vehicles, each with an update of that specific gang, giving us Orlocks/Van Saar/Cawdor V4, Escher and Goliath V5, and Not-Delaques V3. Oh joy!
Vain wrote: I read it more about if we can use GSC Ridge Runner and bikes modded with the appropriate gangers on them etc.
Of course not, because those are Genestealer Cult vehicles, so when we get Book of Ridgerunning Jackals we'll get their four units (leader bike, bike, quad and Ridgerunner).
Why is anyone acting at all surprised by any of this???
Maybe people are sick and tired of GW´s release schedule? Other companies would print a SINGLE book featuring all kinds of vehicles usable by all factions. Then after a few months they may release a new book releasing faction specific vehicles. That is a release policy I would love to support.
But it isn't guaranteed and precisely engineered and designed to bring you absolutely maximum profits possible for the least amount of effort possible, so they're obviously not going to do it.
Result: They lose me as a customer. Gee-Dubs, have fun fleecing compulsive buyers.
And? They keep recording record-high profits, so clearly, whoever is turned off by their policies doesn't matter on a large scale compared to their profits gained due to them.
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
2022/04/30 18:16:33
Subject: Re:Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
And? They keep recording record-high profits, so clearly, whoever is turned off by their policies doesn't matter on a large scale compared to their profits gained due to them.
I think they realized a while ago what the video game market is now realizing, that they make the most income off the same whales who will buy no matter the cost.
2022/04/30 18:54:20
Subject: Re:Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
And? They keep recording record-high profits, so clearly, whoever is turned off by their policies doesn't matter on a large scale compared to their profits gained due to them.
I think they realized a while ago what the video game market is now realizing, that they make the most income off the same whales who will buy no matter the cost.
A theory that has never made much sense, or had that much evidence supporting it, and makes even less sense and has less evidence for it in regards to Necromunda.
Because at least when you're imagining a 40K "whale" you can envision them saying "I want everything for this army" and then spending multiple thousands of dollars. Someone who wants everything for a Necromunda gang buys like 3 boxes and an expansion kit. Also, the whalists like to point to competitive players -- who are said to be willing to turn over their entire collection for a newly-powered up faction -- but Necromunda has no competitive scene or players.
2022/04/30 19:06:57
Subject: Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
On vehicles, I would bet good money there will be WD or online article on using some generic vehicles.
The GSC bikes, dune buggy and truck all come to mind. The humble Rhino was originally an exportation vehicle for hostile environments, I could even see rules for the Adeptus mech walker and hover craft, maybe the Chimera and Sentinel as well.
All of this will of course be to get you by until the House of Wheels/Tracks/Bikes/Servo Legs/hooves comes out.
2022/04/30 19:14:42
Subject: Re:Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: And? They keep recording record-high profits, so clearly, whoever is turned off by their policies doesn't matter on a large scale compared to their profits gained due to them.
Oh, for sure it hasn't, for the moment. But it's not like it hasn't happened before to GW, when they got too greedy, too out of touch, and suddenly everything was not well anymore.
It will eventually happen again. It's only a matter of when.
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2022/04/30 19:36:45
Subject: Re:Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
Right, could not stand the clown wannabe bitching about prices for more than 2 minutes... If there was content there I gave up.
I tried, skipping around from point to point, and while I do agree with a few of the points, its a link that you wont regret missing out on. Easily avoidable and far to click baity to be taken remotely seriously.
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Didn’t click as there is no mention of who this even is.
But from replies, that was a good thing.
Discourse Miniatures. I had never had the misfortune of seeing their videos before. Seems all the videos they post are a series of “comedy” skits (with costumes) about how bad GW are (with occasional video about how bad another company is thrown in for “balance”).
2022/04/30 19:48:27
Subject: Re:Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: And? They keep recording record-high profits, so clearly, whoever is turned off by their policies doesn't matter on a large scale compared to their profits gained due to them.
Oh, for sure it hasn't, for the moment. But it's not like it hasn't happened before to GW, when they got too greedy, too out of touch, and suddenly everything was not well anymore.
It will eventually happen again. It's only a matter of when.
I suspect they know that this box is expensive, thats probably why they released the individual box sets for the units on the same day.
Big companies can do what they want since they are fat enough to absorb miscalculations.
The way I see it they are pushing prices higher and higher and reaching the psychological barrier of the £200 but the UK average guy still not comfortable with the £100 mark in the first place.
Totally out of touch I know but then again its just a silly box with plastic toys.
From a hobby perspective there are many hours of fun in this box on its own, question is would you have more or less fun with similar boxes from GW or competitors? The terrain is ridiculously overpriced on all GW products and the more they cram it in a box set the more the price will suffer.
In classic GW fasion the Ash wastes rulebook and campaign is not actually balanced from the Ashwastes box.
The three gangs (Van Sarr, Nomads, and Orlocks) get 400 additional credits to spend on vehicles. while everyone else gets to wait for their vehicle rulebook expansion. (They get zero because they don't have access to any vehicles.) So the 300$ you drop on Ashwastes to get the rulebook lets you hope in a few months or so that they'll release another rulebook (Which they'll probably charge 50$ for.) That actually lets you play the game... assuming they release the rulebook for all the gangs vehicles (Which they may just release 1 for each individual gang massively hiking up the total.)
What on earth could go wrong with this You effectively have to create house rules and third party vehicles with no official GW rule set to even play Ashwastes in a remotely balanced way out of 300$ box.
There are also vehicle upgrades that will exist, but they aren't in the Ashwastes rulebook.
Definately another rulebook that actually tells you how to play with vehicles "Actually" coming down the line.
Basicaly all the most cynical expectations from this thread combined have actualy happened.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
2022/04/30 20:27:42
Subject: Re:Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
In classic GW fasion the Ash wastes rulebook and campaign is not actually balanced from the Ashwastes box.
The three gangs (Van Sarr, Nomads, and Orlocks) get 400 additional credits to spend on vehicles. while everyone else gets to wait for their vehicle rulebook expansion. (They get zero because they don't have access to any vehicles.) So the 300$ you drop on Ashwastes to get the rulebook lets you hope in a few months or so that they'll release another rulebook (Which they'll probably charge 50$ for.) That actually lets you play the game... assuming they release the rulebook for all the gangs vehicles (Which they may just release 1 for each individual gang massively hiking up the total.)
What on earth could go wrong with this You effectively have to create house rules and third party vehicles with no official GW rule set to even play Ashwastes in a remotely balanced way out of 300$ box.
There are also vehicle upgrades that will exist, but they aren't in the Ashwastes rulebook.
Definately another rulebook that actually tells you how to play with vehicles "Actually" coming down the line.
Basicaly all the most cynical expectations from this thread combined have actualy happened.
Yeah, about what one should expect from GW
Watch this bring record profits
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
2022/04/30 20:29:15
Subject: Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
I'm not sure that this is even a sensible way to make money. A lot of people will pass on Ash Wastes, as they cannot play their preferred gang in it, and even if those who want to play one of the supported gangs might pass if their friends are not interested so they have no one to play with. If there were some generic vehicle profiles anyone could use they would sell a ton of Ridgerunners, Ork buggies etc, and people would actually invest in the expansion as they could play it.
Crimson wrote: I'm not sure that this is even a sensible way to make money. A lot of people will pass on Ash Wastes, as they cannot play their preferred gang in it, and even if those who want to play one of the supported gangs might pass if their friends are not interested so they have no one to play with. If there were some generic vehicle profiles anyone could use they would sell a ton of Ridgerunners, Ork buggies etc, and people would actually invest in the expansion as they could play it.
They know damn well the people who pass on this are gonna buy all the future DLC they actually need to play their prefered gang and thus probably making them more money in the long run.
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
2022/04/30 20:42:18
Subject: Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
And? They keep recording record-high profits, so clearly, whoever is turned off by their policies doesn't matter on a large scale compared to their profits gained due to them.
I think they realized a while ago what the video game market is now realizing, that they make the most income off the same whales who will buy no matter the cost.
A theory that has never made much sense, or had that much evidence supporting it, and makes even less sense and has less evidence for it in regards to Necromunda.
Because at least when you're imagining a 40K "whale" you can envision them saying "I want everything for this army" and then spending multiple thousands of dollars. Someone who wants everything for a Necromunda gang buys like 3 boxes and an expansion kit. Also, the whalists like to point to competitive players -- who are said to be willing to turn over their entire collection for a newly-powered up faction -- but Necromunda has no competitive scene or players.
There are people who want to buy everything for a skirmish system since, as each faction is small, the total doesn't seem so much when bought in chunks. That way they can play any variety of gang as they wish. The same thought process behind those who go for getting full sets of CCGs and such.
2022/04/30 21:34:52
Subject: Re:Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
And? They keep recording record-high profits, so clearly, whoever is turned off by their policies doesn't matter on a large scale compared to their profits gained due to them.
I think they realized a while ago what the video game market is now realizing, that they make the most income off the same whales who will buy no matter the cost.
A theory that has never made much sense, or had that much evidence supporting it, and makes even less sense and has less evidence for it in regards to Necromunda.
Because at least when you're imagining a 40K "whale" you can envision them saying "I want everything for this army" and then spending multiple thousands of dollars. Someone who wants everything for a Necromunda gang buys like 3 boxes and an expansion kit. Also, the whalists like to point to competitive players -- who are said to be willing to turn over their entire collection for a newly-powered up faction -- but Necromunda has no competitive scene or players.
I think the GW equivalent is someone with impulse control issues and who, for whatever reason (good or bad), is largely price insensitive. The kind of person who looks at a new boxed game release and buys the whole set, the books, and a gang, without thinking about how many players there are around them. So they buy everything, maybe try a game once and then it goes on their shelf. Then the next exciting new age of sigmar army comes out and they buy 3 sets from that release, and it also goes no where. Maybe they have one functional army that they stick to. Maybe they buy a whole army and then realize they don't really like playing it that much.
The end result is that they are easily swept up in exciting new releases and may not actually end up getting much value out of what they buy. Incidentally, there is a meme for this in the hobby being "the pile of shame." That's the kind of person I'm talking about. Not the kind of person who "plays dark angels" and slowly purchases a unit at a time, incrementally assembling and painting them.
2022/04/30 22:16:24
Subject: Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
Squinting at them real hard, I'd say they're either very neat hackjobs, custom 3d prints, or an expansion kit. The existing sprues do not combine in that way without major work.
Yeah, the wall panels are half a hexagon. They've combined them by slicing off one of the sections at the corner.
2022/04/30 22:29:22
Subject: Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
Orlock Ash Wastes upgrade from forgeworlds (fairly disappointing to my eyes, i certainly won't be holding my breath for the Delaque release) Pre-order product that will be delivered from 07/05/2022.
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2022/04/30 22:56:13
Subject: Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
Right, could not stand the clown wannabe bitching about prices for more than 2 minutes... If there was content there I gave up.
I tried, skipping around from point to point, and while I do agree with a few of the points, its a link that you wont regret missing out on. Easily avoidable and far to click baity to be taken remotely seriously.
.
Didn’t click as there is no mention of who this even is.
But from replies, that was a good thing.
Discourse Miniatures. I had never had the misfortune of seeing their videos before. Seems all the videos they post are a series of “comedy” skits (with costumes) about how bad GW are (with occasional video about how bad another company is thrown in for “balance”).
Glad I didn’t click.
Their videos jar with me. Seen a couple.
The titles and icons are really click bait annoying anyway, but then the style and over the top presentation itself is not for me.
2022/04/30 23:53:16
Subject: Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
GW in the 90s had such a great way of making things fun and narrative. I don't get why everything has to have so many complications in the way now.
In truth, I don't think GW relies on whales, I think there's just a big ocean of gamers who spend $500, $1000, $1500 a year on games. And their ideal customer looks a lot like most people on this forum, except they don't judge the company so much or so harshly, and spend most of their budget on GW products instead of spreading it around.
Indeed, that's why specialist games have started coming out all the time now, they know there's barely anybody out there will be willing to buy ten 40K armies, but there are lots of people who will buy a cool new hot game that reminds them of other game they liked.
2022/05/01 01:33:21
Subject: Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
Vertrucio wrote: So reviews are coming in and apparently the ash wastes book has a lot of duplicate info, and very little info about vehicles.
Not liking how this is being handled.
To me it's sounding like the book is almost for more of a boxed game approach. Correct me if i'm wrong but I didn't even see the Orlock arms masters or jump jet prospects on their list in that book. Feeling like I might've dodged a bullet sitting this one out.
2022/05/01 02:30:33
Subject: Necromunda news & rumours - Ash Wastes up for preorder next week
H.B.M.C. wrote: Maybe the first release won't be an Ash Wastes Nomad book, but instead a "Gangs of the Ash Wastes" book that covers all the gangs.
That way they can get us to buy that as they slowly invalidate each chapter over the next two years of individual gang book releases.
A single book updating all the existing gangs to the AW rules could be useful if the rest of the upcoming books focused on new material and gangs, but that isn't likely to happen is it? Personally, I hope they just skip the "Gangs of..." part and go directly to releasing new gang books.
