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Darsath wrote:
Hey guys, I'm betting on Ghaz and Ragnar facing each other and the end result is a draw. Anyone wanna bet against me?

No. But define "draw" for me anyway.

I think ultimately babyRagnar will get beat, get Primfanged up and come back and kick Ghazzy's ass, Ghaz will then be Deus Ex Orkina'd outta there before Primfang Ragnar can land the killing blow and the final shot is Primfang Ragnar howling into the wind as his hair tussles, anime style.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Hey guys, I'm betting on Ghaz and Ragnar facing each other and the end result is a draw. Anyone wanna bet against me?

No. But define "draw" for me anyway.

I think ultimately babyRagnar will get beat, get Primfanged up and come back and kick Ghazzy's ass, Ghaz will then be Deus Ex Orkina'd outta there before Primfang Ragnar can land the killing blow and the final shot is Primfang Ragnar howling into the wind as his hair tussles, anime style.

Ah yes, the mournful "awooo".

I don't think we should expect much at all out of this stories fluff. Having gone over the greater good fluff, it was abysmal bad. Felt like I read a pamphlet or travel document of historic significance.

I'm glad the books have more rules than fluff for what they are designed for but I doubt there will be more than a page or so of any Ragnar Ghaz fight, this could all be a bunch of gak and they might not even fight at all. They could end up with their forcing clashing and almost fighting then something pops them on out and that's it.

Insert mournful wolf howls into the blowing air as Ghaz escapes. I don't want to be so negative on the story prospects but I somehow think it'll end up even more of a let down then we are predicting here.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Hey guys, I'm betting on Ghaz and Ragnar facing each other and the end result is a draw. Anyone wanna bet against me?

No. But define "draw" for me anyway.

I think ultimately babyRagnar will get beat, get Primfanged up and come back and kick Ghazzy's ass, Ghaz will then be Deus Ex Orkina'd outta there before Primfang Ragnar can land the killing blow and the final shot is Primfang Ragnar howling into the wind as his hair tussles, anime style.

another option is Ghaz beats Ragnar but by drawing Ghaz into a fight Ragnar has dragged Ghaz away from an important objective allowing him to "win the war" by "losing the battle" and thus outfoxing (or is that out wolfing?) Ghaz. they did that with Calgar vs Abaddon, and over all I thought it was not a bad idea as it lets fans of both chars claim a "win"

Ragnar fights Ghaz and is defeated causing Ragnar to go primaris.

Now Ragnar is looking for Ghaz and only finding imposters claiming to be the beast, the hunt is on.

I want to see Ragnar with a Yarrick servoskull.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
I want to see Ragnar with a Yarrick servoskull.

Why? As far as we know he never even met Yarrick.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Except all those events were changing things

Not at a settings scale, no.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
it was a big ol' fustercluck to keep track of with stuff being retroactively being crammed into the past (Centurions, flyers, ect) like the original events were written with those things in mind.

Literally only for marines. And we all know how that problem should have been addressed.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Except all those events were changing things

Not at a settings scale, no.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
it was a big ol' fustercluck to keep track of with stuff being retroactively being crammed into the past (Centurions, flyers, ect) like the original events were written with those things in mind.

Literally only for marines. And we all know how that problem should have been addressed.

Using your own logic the complaint about the way the setting has changed is meaningless since Abbadon has had the only truly setting spanning event that effects everyone. Everyone else is running around on their own little tracks and occasionally butting heads.

And Primaris become little more than another equipment/unit upgrade.

EDIT: And how they "should" have handled those releases is how they're handling things now which means if someone wants to do a campaign set at a specific point it's easier to know what is or isn't actually available for every faction.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Hey guys, I'm betting on Ghaz and Ragnar facing each other and the end result is a draw. Anyone wanna bet against me?

No. But define "draw" for me anyway.

I think ultimately babyRagnar will get beat, get Primfanged up and come back and kick Ghazzy's ass, Ghaz will then be Deus Ex Orkina'd outta there before Primfang Ragnar can land the killing blow and the final shot is Primfang Ragnar howling into the wind as his hair tussles, anime style.

I’m a Space Wolves player, and I would be disappointed in GW (again) if the let Primaris Ragnar beat (or come close to beating) Beast Ghaz. According to all prior lore, even the Emperor would struggle to beat a Beast (or at least struggled to beat the one beast he came up against).

I’m hoping Ragnar does get beat. I’m hoping he survives. I’m kind of mixed on whether or not I want him Primarisized (I hate Primaris). But I also hope it ends with him searching for a rematch, but not finding it yet.

It cannot be overstated: Ragnar, Primarisized or not, should never be able to beat a Beast Ghaz.

Ghaz isn't anywhere near the beast from the beast arises (yet)

BrianDavion wrote:
Ghaz isn't anywhere near the beast from the beast arises (yet)

He's the Beast of Armagheddon, and the community team keeps calling him a Beast (with a capital B), so he's being ranked in the same ballpark as The Beast, even if he's not 1:1 the same level.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Ghaz isn't anywhere near the beast from the beast arises (yet)

He's the Beast of Armagheddon, and the community team keeps calling him a Beast (with a capital B), so he's being ranked in the same ballpark as The Beast, even if he's not 1:1 the same level.

It's kind of hard to take it seriously when the original beast was the size of a stompa....

Hellebore wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Ghaz isn't anywhere near the beast from the beast arises (yet)

He's the Beast of Armagheddon, and the community team keeps calling him a Beast (with a capital B), so he's being ranked in the same ballpark as The Beast, even if he's not 1:1 the same level.

It's kind of hard to take it seriously when the original beast was the size of a stompa....

It seems to be a category/title for extremely dangerous Orks regardless of exact size/strength.

Hellebore wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Ghaz isn't anywhere near the beast from the beast arises (yet)

He's the Beast of Armagheddon, and the community team keeps calling him a Beast (with a capital B), so he's being ranked in the same ballpark as The Beast, even if he's not 1:1 the same level.

It's kind of hard to take it seriously when the original beast was the size of a stompa....

wait for the new model.......

pm713 wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I feel like people are confusing "things I don't like" for "things that are objectively bad" again.

There is no such thing as "objectively bad".

There very much is.

Yeah, well that's just like, your opinion, man.

 kodos wrote:

Hellebore wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Ghaz isn't anywhere near the beast from the beast arises (yet)

He's the Beast of Armagheddon, and the community team keeps calling him a Beast (with a capital B), so he's being ranked in the same ballpark as The Beast, even if he's not 1:1 the same level.

It's kind of hard to take it seriously when the original beast was the size of a stompa....

wait for the new model.......

Hey may not be the size of a stompa, but his price might be that of a stompa, long live THE BEAST !

 kodos wrote:

Hellebore wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Ghaz isn't anywhere near the beast from the beast arises (yet)

He's the Beast of Armagheddon, and the community team keeps calling him a Beast (with a capital B), so he's being ranked in the same ballpark as The Beast, even if he's not 1:1 the same level.

It's kind of hard to take it seriously when the original beast was the size of a stompa....

wait for the new model.......

So even newer model compared to the the new model we get next month that's about size of bigger marine dreadnoughts?

since you seem to have such an insight of GW as to know replacement of model yet unreleased yet maybe tell us some more?

we've not seen the new ghaz yet have we? I suspect he's gonna be around gulliman/abaddon size but be a lot bulkier.Ya know... I don't even play orks and I'm kinda thinking I wanna build and paint this mini.

As far as I know there are basically two camps on the new Ghaz size. Either he's on a 60mm base or an 80mm base, which basically means either he's the size of an old dreadnought or a redemptor dread. I'm firmly in the 80mm/redemptor camp but it's all just somewhat educated guesswork based on his base size in comparison to Makari.

If I had to make a guess at a previous notable Ork warlord to compare where current Ghaz is probably going to land, it'd be Gharkul Blackfang. Not as ridiculusly huge or paradigm shifting as the Beast was, but intelligent and enough of a combat powerhouse that it took the likes of the Emperor to personally dispatch him. He would be safely in the realm of "not gonna get killed off anytime soon" while leaving room for something like a fight to a standstill with Roboute or a daemon Primarch.

honestly if he's in deamon primarch territory power level wise that'd kinda suck as chances are he won't be worth taking points wise

BrianDavion wrote:
honestly if he's in deamon primarch territory power level wise that'd kinda suck as chances are he won't be worth taking points wise

I'm strictly speaking from a fluff perspective, given people are talking about a potential scenario of Primaris Ragnar beating down Beast Ghaz.

Newest article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/27/valerian-and-aleya-on-the-battlefieldgw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-3/
Hints that Custodes and SoS may be folded together into Talons of the Emperor with their PA book

Ok, so considering this morning's news concerning space marines, think Saga of the Beast is getting a day one FAQ?

 ikeulhu wrote:
Newest article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/27/valerian-and-aleya-on-the-battlefieldgw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-3/
Hints that Custodes and SoS may be folded together into Talons of the Emperor with their PA book

About time. A PA book has plenty of room for the 3 units and 1 character SoS have.

 ikeulhu wrote:
Newest article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/27/valerian-and-aleya-on-the-battlefieldgw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-3/
Hints that Custodes and SoS may be folded together into Talons of the Emperor with their PA book

Ain't gw subtle?

Good. That's how they should have done it in the first place. Hope the new fw books give us rules for that crazy SOS vehicle too...

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Using your own logic the complaint about the way the setting has changed is meaningless since Abbadon has had the only truly setting spanning event that effects everyone.

Cawl.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
EDIT: And how they "should" have handled those releases is how they're handling things now

Uh? No, how they are handling those release now is about as bad.
They should have handled those release by not making new models for a complete army and doing models for uncomplete armies that require new models and/or newer versions of current models.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/27/valerian-and-aleya-on-the-battlefieldgw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-3/

If you’re up to speed with all the latest rules developments in Chapter Approved 2019, you’ll notice that, by only having the Imperium Faction Keyword on their combined datasheet, Valerian and Aleya cannot currently join an Adeptus Custodes Detachment without the latter losing their Battle-forged bonus. However, you need not worry, for it won’t be long before both factions will be able to fight as one once more, when the Talons of the Emperor join the epic battles of the Psychic Awakening…

Confirmation that Sisters of Silence will be joining Custodes in Psychic Awakening. As someone with a lot of both, this is great.

Curious if SoS will get another HQ choice besides Aleya.

Honestly I was surprised GW didn't put the 1 SoS kit into Custodes when they launched the Codex. I'm glad to see them sharing a book now and looking like they'll move forward to become a single combined army. Esp in the wake of Sisters of Battle getting a full re-launch.

Part of me wonders if GW kept Sisters of Silence out incase Sisters of Battle failed and were then going to make SoS into their own big army whilst letting SoB fall to the side.