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 kodos wrote:
it is revealed that Ragnar was Leman Russ the whole time but lost is memory and the fight with the Beast brings it back

God-Emperor... no. That's Last Jedi levels of bad storytelling.

So if DW is not goint to be matched agains orks in Saga of the Beat then agains the Necron in War of the Spider?

Prepare for the new edition of Wulfhammer 40,0000

They did a good job with Mephiston model so interested to see if they can do it with Ragnar or just WULFWulf it upto the Max

Apparently someone sent Valrak Ragnars stats and he does have the primaris keyword (he wrote as much over on B&C). So no big surprise there but it pretty much confirms what everyone suspected, new & improved Ragnar will be tied into this release.

EDIT: Wildweasel over on B&C transcribed this from a Valrak stream
"W6, A7.
Sword is Str+2 AP-4 D2
Aura that gives a 6" pile-in or consolidate if not in 3" (hard to tell exactly)
Aura: Reroll non-VEHICLE charges
Stanadard Captain/Jarl buff
Berzerk Rage: Shoack Assault is +3A instead of 1
Belt of Russ 4++"

10 attacks huh? Seems reasonable for a S6 weapon with a fixed D2.

It turns him into an absolute blender, which is cool. That S6 (he was confirmed as S4/T4 btw) will hold him back from any serious AT duty but in a world where 2W models are becoming the norm it's still a pretty darn spicy statline to have..

Would Ragnar even be Primaris yet? If he was "missing", he probably would have to fight as a Firstborn marine, unless Ghaz wounds him so he then gets the treatment to "survive."

Odd that the Primaris version of Ragnar is going to be T4...

Why is it odd he's T4? He's not gravis.. In regards as to why he's primaris now when this technically takes place in the past works because time is real weird in 40k I guess

it might be possible he upgrades to primaris after his fight with Gaz, the SW might lose in PA.

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So 10 s6 ap-4 d2 attacks on the charge. Ghaz should be an absolute monster then, he'd have to be just to keep up.

Gadzilla666 wrote:
So 10 s6 ap-4 d2 attacks on the charge. Ghaz should be an absolute monster then, he'd have to be just to keep up.

A quick run of the math from the Codex shows Ghaz can still beat that statline. On average that's not enough to oneshot Ghaz, who can put out 6 wounds average in a turn.

As someone said before though that is an extremely impressive blender unit, esp against PEQs, and is likely to be significantly cheaper pointswise than a very expensive Ghaz at 235.

Against big targets I think you'd be better off with a net smash captain build from most supplements.

Where are the leaks for Ghazzy at?

PiñaColada wrote:
Apparently someone sent Valrak Ragnars stats and he does have the primaris keyword (he wrote as much over on B&C). So no big surprise there but it pretty much confirms what everyone suspected, new & improved Ragnar will be tied into this release.

EDIT: Wildweasel over on B&C transcribed this from a Valrak stream
"W6, A7.
Sword is Str+2 AP-4 D2
Aura that gives a 6" pile-in or consolidate if not in 3" (hard to tell exactly)
Aura: Reroll non-VEHICLE charges
Stanadard Captain/Jarl buff
Berzerk Rage: Shoack Assault is +3A instead of 1
Belt of Russ 4++"

Yikes.

Being non xenos he will cos under 130pts for all of that lol

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Where are the leaks for Ghazzy at?

Gw will probably be more tight lipped with Ghaz as he's more highly anticipated than primarisified sm character number 242.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Where are the leaks for Ghazzy at?

Gw will probably be more tight lipped with Ghaz as he's more highly anticipated than primarisified sm character number 242.

I'm guessing Gaz is going to be T8 judging from how big he's going to be, so new Ragnar is going to lose 1v1 on table top, story wise it might be a draw.

Jimbobbyish wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Where are the leaks for Ghazzy at?

Gw will probably be more tight lipped with Ghaz as he's more highly anticipated than primarisified sm character number 242.

I'm guessing Gaz is going to be T8 judging from how big he's going to be, so new Ragnar is going to lose 1v1 on table top, story wise it might be a draw.

I'd guess no more than t7, t8 would put him past both Guilliman and the daemon primarchs.

Ghaz beats ragnar into the ground. As he bends down to take the marine's head, Ragnar werewolf's into Leman Russ.

And thus returns the primarch of the Space Wulfs.

 Stormonu wrote:
Ghaz beats ragnar into the ground. As he bends down to take the marine's head, Ragnar werewolf's into Leman Russ.

And thus returns the primarch of the Space Wulfs.

Ghaz then proceeds to take Leman Russ' head instead.


Awoooooooooo.

Jimbobbyish wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Where are the leaks for Ghazzy at?

Gw will probably be more tight lipped with Ghaz as he's more highly anticipated than primarisified sm character number 242.

I'm guessing Gaz is going to be T8 judging from how big he's going to be, so new Ragnar is going to lose 1v1 on table top, story wise it might be a draw.

Size shows up in wounds so more like 12 or 14 wounds.

And anyway odds are even old ghaz would win vs that in tabletop. Combined with more wounds for ghaz(pretty much sure thing) and other buffs it's not going to be even close.

I really really want the story to run into a scene, where ragnar whispers rough into the beasts ear: " I wulf you"

and then, the both of them mate furiously to seal the truce between one beast and the other...
Afterwards we might get a netflix movie, about jealousy and murder.

Yeah, hits on 2+, wounds on 4+, 4++ save means that roughly two of those attacks connect, leaving Thrakka at four wounds, who then will kill Ragnar with 6 damage in return, assuming he is neither in a Goff detachment nor in the warlord.

Sure, PriRagnar would not even beat old Ghaz reliably but other than the fact that they're pitted against each other in the lore here that shouldn't even be a discussion. I doubt GW expects us to believe that Ragnar is a true challenge for prime Ghaz.

Add to the fact that Ghaz is likely to be almost double the points and Ragnars battlefield role seems to squarely be anti-chaff/anti medium infantry and the results are not really all that shocking.

He's not meant to be a Ghaz killer on the board (there are several other new SM characters that would be far better suited at that) but considering he'll likely be 130/140 points that's still a really nice profile IMO.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Ghaz beats ragnar into the ground. As he bends down to take the marine's head, Ragnar werewolf's into Leman Russ.

And thus returns the primarch of the Space Wulfs.

Ghaz then proceeds to take Leman Russ' head instead.


Awoooooooooo.

ahh but that's ok because Lemen russ has TWO heads, and they regrow! he then rips off Ghaz's head who also regrows his head! ONE DAY THEY'LL HAVE A REMATCH! DIAL IT TO 11!

..... the sad thing is, I could see GW writing that

So wheres all the sorry for shouting down the wants of new ragnar ? Seems he'll be there after all. Praise the sun.

For comparison, Helbrecht is 150 with a similar offense (6 attacks vs. 7, 1+d3 attacks on the charge vs. 3, Dd3 vs. Flat 2, AP-3 vs. -4) but brings a +1S aura and Chapter Master rerolls, probably better than Ragnar's auras from what we know right now.

My guess for Ghaz is

Ws2+ S7 T7 A7 2+ 4++ Klaw D3 No minus 6" area +1A OR +1 to hit

A Q that comes to my mind is, will Ghaz get the MONSTER key word?

Major consensus it's probably yes. We shall see...

Awww, all the marine players were so adorable, afraid that one subfaction might not get a new model in PA.

Don't worry, you'll get your dude capable of effortlessly blenderizing every other faction's "Fast duelist" characters.

For a laugh, pit new Ragnar against "new" """"""improved"""""" jain zar.

Sure glad we gave up that disarm ability! Now she can attack so many times, it's....oh, Ragnar just attacks 10 times for charging....oh.

Seriously, how can you decide "Hmmm, a speedy fast duelist type character should probably have an attack stat of aboooout 4." And then immediately turn around and go "A speedy fast SPACE MARINE duelist? SEVEN, baby! and give him +3 on the charge or when he gets charged! WOOOOOOOOOO!"