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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Justyn wrote:

Ghaz is basically the Marneus Calgar of orks. If Calgar got jobbed by Vargard Oberyn don't you think that'd be a bit weird?

Sure, because nobody who doesn't play necrons knows a thing about that guy. Ragnar has been around since late Rogue Trader. Has an entire list of books about him. Go on, keep saying to yourself that he is just a nobody Captain.

I have absolutely no idea who Ragnar is, and I've been playing since 3rd edition, when the Witchhunter codex was released. Started following the fluff earlier, right during the big 3rd war for armaggedon campaign.
I mean, I know Ragnar is a space wolf, I know Ragner had a super-old miniature, and... that's about it?
I know more about the goddamn Doomrider than I know about this guy.
I mean, what's special about him?

Basically he's one of the most written about Space Marines in all of 40k, a Wolf Lord of renown leading one of the Space Wolf Great Companies and the likely successor to Logan Grimnar, Chapter Master of the Space Wolves.

He's been soloing Ork Warbosses and their entire retinues since the days he was a Blood Claw which is effectively the same rank as a Space Marine Scout. He has a long and storied history dating back to the early days of 40k and is recognised as one of the Space Wolves greatest warriors. He may be 'only' Captain level in rank but practically every iteration of him on the tabletop has him on par with a Chapter Master. In 2nd edition he would quite reliably have taken out Ghazghul and they were pitted against each other in one of, if not the very first battle report that involved the characters; a picture of which was posted earlier in the thread.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Justyn wrote:

Ghaz is basically the Marneus Calgar of orks. If Calgar got jobbed by Vargard Oberyn don't you think that'd be a bit weird?

Sure, because nobody who doesn't play necrons knows a thing about that guy. Ragnar has been around since late Rogue Trader. Has an entire list of books about him. Go on, keep saying to yourself that he is just a nobody Captain.

I have absolutely no idea who Ragnar is, and I've been playing since 3rd edition, when the Witchhunter codex was released. Started following the fluff earlier, right during the big 3rd war for armaggedon campaign.
I mean, I know Ragnar is a space wolf, I know Ragner had a super-old miniature, and... that's about it?
I know more about the goddamn Doomrider than I know about this guy.
I mean, what's special about him?

Ragnar is one of the oldest characters in the game, he also features in a 6 novel series by william King and Lee Lightner as well as a novella by ADB. he's widely considered to be the heir apparent to the space wolves he's not some no name character

He was still an absolute scrub compared to an Eversor assassin though. Eversors were 240pts whilst weaklings like Ragnar and Dante were a mere 140. Then again, last time I checked in on the rules for assassins they were closer to guardsmen than SM Chapter masters so I suppose Ragnar got the last laugh there.

 ProtoClone wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Justyn wrote:

Ghaz is basically the Marneus Calgar of orks. If Calgar got jobbed by Vargard Oberyn don't you think that'd be a bit weird?

Sure, because nobody who doesn't play necrons knows a thing about that guy. Ragnar has been around since late Rogue Trader. Has an entire list of books about him. Go on, keep saying to yourself that he is just a nobody Captain.

I have absolutely no idea who Ragnar is, and I've been playing since 3rd edition, when the Witchhunter codex was released. Started following the fluff earlier, right during the big 3rd war for armaggedon campaign.
I mean, I know Ragnar is a space wolf, I know Ragner had a super-old miniature, and... that's about it?
I know more about the goddamn Doomrider than I know about this guy.
I mean, what's special about him?


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Also Fabious Bile is going to be his own faction, in PA. He will get 6 different name generators, so you can roll on which name generator you will generate the name. And all the possible rolls all give the same result: Fabious Bile!

What makes Ragnar so special is that he rose through the ranks of his great company faster than any other wolf lord before him. He literally went from rookie to wolf lord skipping all other ranks inbetween.
He has achieved more in his short time as a space marine than most in their whole life.

Really, he has been a neglected character who has been long overdue for this time to shine.

I'm amazed you've been playing that long and didn't know who he was. I mean I could care less about the Blood Angels but I still know the characters.

JWBS wrote:
He was still an absolute scrub compared to an Eversor assassin though. Eversors were 240pts whilst weaklings like Ragnar and Dante were a mere 140. Then again, last time I checked in on the rules for assassins they were closer to guardsmen than SM Chapter masters so I suppose Ragnar got the last laugh there.

Everybody was a scrub compared to the 2nd edition Eversor...

 insaniak wrote:

JWBS wrote:
He was still an absolute scrub compared to an Eversor assassin though. Eversors were 240pts whilst weaklings like Ragnar and Dante were a mere 140. Then again, last time I checked in on the rules for assassins they were closer to guardsmen than SM Chapter masters so I suppose Ragnar got the last laugh there.

Everybody was a scrub compared to the 2nd edition Eversor...

As the God-Emperor intended.

As totes cool as Ragnar is he really shouldn't be fighting Ghaz' to a draw or on an equal footing at all.

Ghaz is as good as it gets for Orks and Ork players. There is no Ork as powerful or combat efficient.

Ragnar is not the top Marine. He's not even the top Space Wolf. He's no Russ. Hell, he ain't even a Grimnar.

It looks to be another classic GW Marine fanfic level story that's going to come out of this PA with no real winner but Ragnar will still make Ghaz' look like a joke.

It's a shame, we all knew that Ghaz' wouldn't kill Ragnar but he couldn't even beat him off screen. That says it all.

Logan Grimnar rides a BTTF-style hoverboard. He's a joke among the Space Wolves. They all laugh at him. The only reason he's still active is because Ragnar is fond of him and has chosen to let him stick around.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
As totes cool as Ragnar is he really shouldn't be fighting Ghaz' to a draw or on an equal footing at all.

Ghaz is as good as it gets for Orks and Ork players. There is no Ork as powerful or combat efficient.

Ragnar is not the top Marine. He's not even the top Space Wolf. He's no Russ. Hell, he ain't even a Grimnar.

It looks to be another classic GW Marine fanfic level story that's going to come out of this PA with no real winner but Ragnar will still make Ghaz' look like a joke.

It's a shame, we all knew that Ghaz' wouldn't kill Ragnar but he couldn't even beat him off screen. That says it all.

While not the highest ranking, he is one of their best fighters. Gamewise if you Heroically Intervene he gets up to 8 S5, -4Ap attacks that basically autohit (2+ to hit, rerolling 1s normally but with an additional 1+ to hit rolls in the first round of combat from being a Space Wolf).

Lorewise we're talking about a fairly fast and agile post human who has survived potentially two Daemon Primarch engagements (War for Armagheddon 1 and Magnus taking on Fenris for a second time) since those were both chapter level deployments, while Orks tend to fight more like bulldozers. Sure Ghaz hits on 2s, but that means he has a chance to miss, Ragnar doesn't meaning on technique Ragnar would be hitting Ghaz over and over again trying to break the Beast's defenses, possibly trading an arm in the process (since Ghaz took it off at some point) before going all in and trading mortal blows (a trick he did to be chosen to become a Space Wolf).

Badically, yes Ghaz is a powerhouse, but he's no Primeork and Ragnar isn't some nameless chump with no clout to back up this fight.

And I say that as someone who owns Orks but doesn't own Space Wolves.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
As totes cool as Ragnar is he really shouldn't be fighting Ghaz' to a draw or on an equal footing at all.

Ghaz is as good as it gets for Orks and Ork players. There is no Ork as powerful or combat efficient.

Ragnar is not the top Marine. He's not even the top Space Wolf. He's no Russ. Hell, he ain't even a Grimnar.

It looks to be another classic GW Marine fanfic level story that's going to come out of this PA with no real winner but Ragnar will still make Ghaz' look like a joke.

It's a shame, we all knew that Ghaz' wouldn't kill Ragnar but he couldn't even beat him off screen. That says it all.

While not the highest ranking, he is one of their best fighters. Gamewise if you Heroically Intervene he gets up to 8 S5, -4Ap attacks that basically autohit (2+ to hit, rerolling 1s normally but with an additional 1+ to hit rolls in the first round of combat from being a Space Wolf).

Lorewise we're talking about a fairly fast and agile post human who has survived potentially two Daemon Primarch engagements (War for Armagheddon 1 and Magnus taking on Fenris for a second time) since those were both chapter level deployments, while Orks tend to fight more like bulldozers. Sure Ghaz hits on 2s, but that means he has a chance to miss, Ragnar doesn't meaning on technique Ragnar would be hitting Ghaz over and over again trying to break the Beast's defenses, possibly trading an arm in the process (since Ghaz took it off at some point) before going all in and trading mortal blows (a trick he did to be chosen to become a Space Wolf).

Badically, yes Ghaz is a powerhouse, but he's no Primeork and Ragnar isn't some nameless chump with no clout to back up this fight.

And I say that as someone who owns Orks but doesn't own Space Wolves.

Everyone gets lucky at some point, or has to have a major win to become famous. Ghaz isn't unkillable, he can be a better fighter 100% but doesn't stop him falling over, getting blinded by a flash bang or whatever and getting his head lopped off in an opportunistic strike.

JWBS wrote:
Logan Grimnar rides a BTTF-style hoverboard. He's a joke among the Space Wolves. They all laugh at him. The only reason he's still active is because Ragnar is fond of him and has chosen to let him stick around.

For some reason, this quote makes me think of Ragnar as the “Chuck Norris of Space Wolves”.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Logan Grimnar rides a BTTF-style hoverboard. He's a joke among the Space Wolves. They all laugh at him. The only reason he's still active is because Ragnar is fond of him and has chosen to let him stick around.

For some reason, this quote makes me think of Ragnar as the “Chuck Norris of Space Wolves”.

That would be an apt reference for some of the lower quality GW Space Wolf fluff as well as an accurate portrayal of the power level of their rules at various points of 40k!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
This is pure speculation on my part, so don't get excited certain members of the community who I know want this bad (like real bad) but couldn't Fabulous Bill be a prelude for a true R&H faction? He's all about making humanity fit to fight Astartes right? Sounds like it'd be an ideal match to have this Homunculous Frankenstein type dude that leads the Renegades and Heretics?

Or is it just me?


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So...has anyone else noticed that we were told basically nothing about the War of the Beast? No new rules, doctrines or the like. Isn't the pre-order this weekend?

Probably next weekend but yes I've noticed and yes I'm sad. Feels like GW have really strung out this release again. As good as Ghaz is, I don't know why we've waited basically 3 weeks longer than others for the reveal.

In other news - there were rumours that PA would introduce Ghaz and after PA Orks would be getting a bit of a model line revamp. I would wet my Orky britches if it's true.

He certainly is a character who has existed since I started playing 15 years ago who I have...never, ever, ever once seen in a game or in person, and I could not even tell you what subfaction he's supposedly a part of.

Dude could use a bit of the ol' raisin dee ettruh if you pardon my fran-say.

 warboss wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Logan Grimnar rides a BTTF-style hoverboard. He's a joke among the Space Wolves. They all laugh at him. The only reason he's still active is because Ragnar is fond of him and has chosen to let him stick around.

For some reason, this quote makes me think of Ragnar as the “Chuck Norris of Space Wolves”.

That would be an apt reference for some of the lower quality GW Space Wolf fluff as well as an accurate portrayal of the power level of their rules at various points of 40k!

Still better then magic wand ALPHA LEGION OF DOOM, to absolutely feth gak up for when the loyalists need a nock down after too much bolterporn.

Ragnar is relevant for marine players but on the great scheme of things hes like a less charismatic Felix. It this was fantasy and he was a Empire Captain it would be more popular, but in GW ,as much relevance as he has, hes just drowned in many more "super important" space marine characters.


At the same time I can't see Ghazkull as being extremely good at fighting toe to toe with things like Primarchs, etc... I mean. We all know orks are beast on fighting, but they aren't really that good of figthers. But Ghazkull is not the best ork for being the more brute. Hes the best ork because hes the more cunning, intelligent and has VISION, something most orks lack. (Of course hes also the biggest and badder , but I havealways seen him as the 40k version of Grim'gor Ironhide if Grim'gor was a little less famous for his combat and more for his intelligence. Ghazkull oustmarted a ton of great imperial tacticians. Grim'gor was a simple ork, he was just the best at breaking heads)

I believe hes the kind of "evil leader" as the Swarmlord. Not the "Everybody punchs me to death" Swarmlord, but the "An Avatar of Khaine has challenged me to a single duel. Lets sent him 20 carnifex to destroy him". I can't see Ghazkul fighting 1vs1 with a "famous" and plot-protected Chapter Master and winning. But I doubt Ghazkull would do that. He would probably have some ork flyers ready to make the kamikaze on their position if he sees thats hes losing or something like that.

I feel like they handled the Ghaz/Ragnar matchup rather poorly no matter who you are rooting for. It should have been a Thanos style matchup. The first time the audience sees Thanos in action he beats down the freaking HULK without breaking a sweat. That sets him up as a truly monstrous bad guy. We know he's going to be defeated eventually and the good guys will win, but that sets the level of threat he poses right from the start. It takes a concerted, coordinated effort and planning to take him down and ultimately he's beat by a clever move by a human in a metal suit.

They could have mimicked that. Ghaz should have shown up unexpectedly and attacked Ragnar. Unaware of how strong he is, Ragnar charges in and is handily beat. Ragnar gets the Primaris treatment, comes up with a plan, ambushes Ghaz and takes his head off. (Maybe even with a Thor style "I aimed for the head"). Then Ghaz gets his head sewed back on and sets his sights on revenge. Here's the box set with armies on both sides squaring off for the revenge fight that you get to reenact on your table. Both sides feel like their guy is strong, both defeats seem logical, and both characters enter the box set with a 1-1 record looking for revenge instead of "no one's left alive so it's a draw?".

Ragnar was one of the first special characters in the game. Trying to diminish that because, what, your ego is bruised over Ghaz getting temporarily killed (before the return of the hallowed Citadel™ Status™ Quo™) doesn't make any sense.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
This is pure speculation on my part, so don't get excited certain members of the community who I know want this bad (like real bad) but couldn't Fabulous Bill be a prelude for a true R&H faction? He's all about making humanity fit to fight Astartes right? Sounds like it'd be an ideal match to have this Homunculous Frankenstein type dude that leads the Renegades and Heretics?

Or is it just me?

Ah, gak. Now you're getting my hopes up.

Greater Good FAQ is up: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/588e817f.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0zOHtiHtC0nEDHq5vHkN2ouHOcBAWOluaS6adSFWdUaCAPxQjadxF9o1w

No surprises - but has the expected clarification for Stormtrooper doctrines and Prototype weapons systems.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
As totes cool as Ragnar is he really shouldn't be fighting Ghaz' to a draw or on an equal footing at all.

Ghaz is as good as it gets for Orks and Ork players. There is no Ork as powerful or combat efficient.

Ragnar is not the top Marine. He's not even the top Space Wolf. He's no Russ. Hell, he ain't even a Grimnar.

It looks to be another classic GW Marine fanfic level story that's going to come out of this PA with no real winner but Ragnar will still make Ghaz' look like a joke.

It's a shame, we all knew that Ghaz' wouldn't kill Ragnar but he couldn't even beat him off screen. That says it all.

Sometimes you just roll a lot of 1s on your saves.

Ogdred wrote:
I feel like they handled the Ghaz/Ragnar matchup rather poorly no matter who you are rooting for. It should have been a Thanos style matchup. The first time the audience sees Thanos in action he beats down the freaking HULK without breaking a sweat. That sets him up as a truly monstrous bad guy. We know he's going to be defeated eventually and the good guys will win, but that sets the level of threat he poses right from the start. It takes a concerted, coordinated effort and planning to take him down and ultimately he's beat by a clever move by a human in a metal suit.

They could have mimicked that. Ghaz should have shown up unexpectedly and attacked Ragnar. Unaware of how strong he is, Ragnar charges in and is handily beat. Ragnar gets the Primaris treatment, comes up with a plan, ambushes Ghaz and takes his head off. (Maybe even with a Thor style "I aimed for the head"). Then Ghaz gets his head sewed back on and sets his sights on revenge. Here's the box set with armies on both sides squaring off for the revenge fight that you get to reenact on your table. Both sides feel like their guy is strong, both defeats seem logical, and both characters enter the box set with a 1-1 record looking for revenge instead of "no one's left alive so it's a draw?".

Bravo. *applauds* And now, go and apply for a job as a writer at GW

I think people are reading too much into this encounter. The sculptor wanted you to be able to build Ghaz facing either way (this probably goes further than jsut his head too) so put a scar around his neck to make a convenient join. The background guys then just ran with it. Given how Ghaz came into being I think it's very fitting and a nice bit of trivia. Ghaz has already beaten up plenty of Imperial heroes and Ragnar had to practically kill himself in order to end Ghaz and he still failed.

tbh I'm more surprised there aren't DA players salty over the now confirmed Ragnar>Belial situation.

 Jidmah wrote:

Ogdred wrote:
I feel like they handled the Ghaz/Ragnar matchup rather poorly no matter who you are rooting for. It should have been a Thanos style matchup. The first time the audience sees Thanos in action he beats down the freaking HULK without breaking a sweat. That sets him up as a truly monstrous bad guy. We know he's going to be defeated eventually and the good guys will win, but that sets the level of threat he poses right from the start. It takes a concerted, coordinated effort and planning to take him down and ultimately he's beat by a clever move by a human in a metal suit.

They could have mimicked that. Ghaz should have shown up unexpectedly and attacked Ragnar. Unaware of how strong he is, Ragnar charges in and is handily beat. Ragnar gets the Primaris treatment, comes up with a plan, ambushes Ghaz and takes his head off. (Maybe even with a Thor style "I aimed for the head"). Then Ghaz gets his head sewed back on and sets his sights on revenge. Here's the box set with armies on both sides squaring off for the revenge fight that you get to reenact on your table. Both sides feel like their guy is strong, both defeats seem logical, and both characters enter the box set with a 1-1 record looking for revenge instead of "no one's left alive so it's a draw?".

Bravo. *applauds* And now, go and apply for a job as a writer at GW

It does sound alot better than the crap we have read so far......but then Marvel films writing is actually very good.

On Ragnar/Ghaz - I guess since Commisar Cain has been in so many novels of his own he should be able to wipe the floor with them both.

Ah well I guess we shall just have to see how Wulfly Awesome the Wulfs are this time.....

JSG wrote:
I think people are reading too much into this encounter. The sculptor wanted you to be able to build Ghaz facing either way (this probably goes further than jsut his head too) so put a scar around his neck to make a convenient join. The background guys then just ran with it. Given how Ghaz came into being I think it's very fitting and a nice bit of trivia. Ghaz has already beaten up plenty of Imperial heroes and Ragnar had to practically kill himself in order to end Ghaz and he still failed.

tbh I'm more surprised there aren't DA players salty over the now confirmed Ragnar>Belial situation.

I only remember Belial and now Ragnar that Gghaz has fought 1v1. What are the other Imperial Commanders he has been in a duel with? Ghaz to me seems more likely to fight dirty or not at all by simply leaving it to his underlings. Hes not their to prove hes the best, hes trying to get all the Boyz fighting to bring about his Gods. He isnt Mukkin' About, he has a job to do, and hes doing very well at completing it.

I kind of envision him like Gorgutz from DoW, hes too kunnin' to risk his own life and will wait for you to have already lost the fight to then claim your head.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Ragnar has been around since 2nd edition and has his own series of books

And he has never done anything meaningful enough for me to even get an idea of who he was beside a space wolf. Gazhkull did the whole 2nd and 3rd war for Armageddon, you may have heard of them. I mean, again, I know more about Doomrider than I know about Ragnar. And Doomrider hasn't been focused on in the fluff or tabletop for a VERY long time.

yellowfever wrote:
I'm amazed you've been playing that long and didn't know who he was. I mean I could care less about the Blood Angels but I still know the characters.

If you did this on purpose then I applaud the joke .

 ClockworkZion wrote:
While not the highest ranking, he is one of their best fighters. Gamewise if you Heroically Intervene he gets up to 8 S5, -4Ap attacks that basically autohit (2+ to hit, rerolling 1s normally but with an additional 1+ to hit rolls in the first round of combat from being a Space Wolf).

I can get almost as good with a mere noname Canoness and a single support piece.
8 attacks on first turn of combat (even if charging or being charged), s5, -3AP attacks that basically autohit (2+ to hit, rerolling 1s).
Sure, I'm missing one point of AP and I don't get +1 to hit... but then I don't need to do heroic intervention, and I reroll to wound too on first round of combat.
Noname canoness, one relic one warlord trait. Hit about as hard, has access to cool support pieces, and a 1CP stratagem to get +1 to wound too.
Maybe noname canonesses are clearly superior to most space marines captains now?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Sure Ghaz hits on 2s, but that means he has a chance to miss, Ragnar doesn't

Ragnar still misses on snake eyes .

 ClockworkZion wrote:
And I say that as someone who owns Orks but doesn't own Space Wolves.

And I say this as someone who doesn't own either.

Ogdred wrote:
I feel like they handled the Ghaz/Ragnar matchup rather poorly no matter who you are rooting for. It should have been a Thanos style matchup. The first time the audience sees Thanos in action he beats down the freaking HULK without breaking a sweat. That sets him up as a truly monstrous bad guy. We know he's going to be defeated eventually and the good guys will win, but that sets the level of threat he poses right from the start. It takes a concerted, coordinated effort and planning to take him down and ultimately he's beat by a clever move by a human in a metal suit.

They could have mimicked that. Ghaz should have shown up unexpectedly and attacked Ragnar. Unaware of how strong he is, Ragnar charges in and is handily beat. Ragnar gets the Primaris treatment, comes up with a plan, ambushes Ghaz and takes his head off. (Maybe even with a Thor style "I aimed for the head"). Then Ghaz gets his head sewed back on and sets his sights on revenge. Here's the box set with armies on both sides squaring off for the revenge fight that you get to reenact on your table. Both sides feel like their guy is strong, both defeats seem logical, and both characters enter the box set with a 1-1 record looking for revenge instead of "no one's left alive so it's a draw?".

Oh my god this.


For context gents, this is the equivalent of Kharn going toe to toe with Guilliman', or Calgar going toe to toe with Magnus, or Mephiston going toe to toe with Mortarion.

I suppose the most tragic thing is that now Ghazzy has been brought back from death he joins all those other 'immortal' characters that exist only to build up others such as Celestine, Swarmlord, the Avatar of Khaine and Skarbrand. Sad times.

Meh, Ghaz could be fighting the Emperor himself and some folks would whine because he's just a human. Ghaz can't lose to any puny human. In fact Ghaz can't lose at all to anything. He should dominate the fluff from here on out. The fact that he won't is just GW hating on xenos players.

Aounds lile goal posts are being shifted just because people haven't read books and refuse to aknowledge that Raganar traded mortal wounds to kill Ghaz instead of just lopping his head off and walking away.

The Canoness is irrelevant to the discussion (and still misses if she rerolls 1s into 1s, Ragnar has a +1 hit hit rolls in the first round of combat so auto hits).

Something that I didn't know before digging a little deeper into his book series is that Ragnar once chucked the Spear of Russ through Magnus' Eye (in Grey Hunter). If he can wound a Daemon Primarch I'm putting money on the table he can kill anything less than that.

So that actually gives him three Daemon Primarch incidents, ome in which we know he wounded one personally. How many fights do we have for Ghaz on that level? None.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Ragnar has a +1 hit hit rolls in the first round of combat so auto hits).

That's not how attack rolls in 40K work.

Justyn wrote:
Meh, Ghaz could be fighting the Emperor himself and some folks would whine because he's just a human. Ghaz can't lose to any puny human. In fact Ghaz can't lose at all to anything. He should dominate the fluff from here on out. The fact that he won't is just GW hating on xenos players.

Oof that's some strong strawmanning. Actually no it isn't. It's really obvious and stupid, silly me.

Of course Ghaz' can and should lose. To a character of equal standing.

Ghaz is as good as it gets for the Orks. He is the peak. If he can be decapitated by a bloody 3rd in command Space Wolf, how am I supposed to believe that Orks are in any way a credible threat? Answer - I can't.

It looks like Orks are back to the comic relief status. Ghaz, the biggest, baddest, most intelligent Ork in the current setting can't compete with a Primarch, he can't even beat a Captain.

I can already tell that attempting to read the fluff for this will prove an exercise in frustration and it will be so laden with love for the Wolves/Marines it will read like a Horus Heresy novel.

This has nothing to do with 'love for xenos players' and everything to do with writing half decent, interesting fluff.