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GW does not update based on if people think they need updates or even f they actually do need them or any interest in how recent they had a dex.

So I figure:

Necrons and Marines very soon after launch
Sisters and Ad Mech follow after - Ad MEch due to all the new Models - Sisters are being pushed pretty heavily it seems in this edition.

I think they might then do Eldar / Dark Eldar

Then Unfortunately we have to have the Wolves and the Angels because they need to duplicate the same units that the rest of the Marines already got.

Might bring us up to Christmas with new Primarch of some desecription - Likely Fulgrim and CSM Dex, Emperors Children dex + models, maybe World Eaters as well

Orks and the rest might get something in the new year...

On another thread someone said that FAbius Bile is getting his own army rules in war of the spider. I think continuing this, having a codex based around singular characters, could be a quick and easy way to bring more armies to the fold for people really into the narrative. I imagine the lists for FB would largely include units from the CSM codex. You could do something similar for Cypher and the fallen, take from DA and CSM codex.

Can’t think of any other singular characters right now though so defeating my own point.

The Admech definitely need a new codex, setting aside the new units, the 8th edition codex doesn’t even have the transport or its offensive variation in it.

 Khalith wrote:
The Admech definitely need a new codex, setting aside the new units, the 8th edition codex doesn’t even have the transport or its offensive variation in it.

The fact that the fething *AdMech* of all factions didn't launch with a transport, and basically went almost two editions without getting one, is something that I will never understand, and should make the studio feel silly

 Mr Morden wrote:
GW does not update based on if people think they need updates or even f they actually do need them or any interest in how recent they had a dex.

So I figure:

Necrons and Marines very soon after launch
Sisters and Ad Mech follow after - Ad MEch due to all the new Models - Sisters are being pushed pretty heavily it seems in this edition.

Sisters? Nope. They're always the last. They get rules, you know the editions about to flip. GWs in on that joke.

Marines only just got a new codex!

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Khalith wrote:
The Admech definitely need a new codex, setting aside the new units, the 8th edition codex doesn’t even have the transport or its offensive variation in it.

The fact that the fething *AdMech* of all factions didn't launch with a transport, and basically went almost two editions without getting one, is something that I will never understand, and should make the studio feel silly

They've had a transport since HH3:Extermination in 2014. GW just couldn't be bothered to write 8e rules for it.

 Brother Castor wrote:
Marines only just got a new codex!

It clearly sold so well they need anew one..

Would there be value to the community if GW announced the codex release schedule, in full, in advance. For say 3 years. Would you then use that to plan purchasing and building armies? Therefore there would be value for GW aswell

 Brother Castor wrote:
Marines only just got a new codex!

GW don't care about that.

mrFickle wrote:
Would there be value to the community if GW announced the codex release schedule, in full, in advance. For say 3 years. Would you then use that to plan purchasing and building armies? Therefore there would be value for GW aswell

Nope, because then you'r giving the community more ammunition to use. Things along the lines of 'why is x being done 3 books before y, y needs it more, GW you're terrible you should change your release order'.
And that's not even getting to the last book in the order that, if it's not a meta-defining book would be blasted just as much as an OP release.

 BroodSpawn wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Would there be value to the community if GW announced the codex release schedule, in full, in advance. For say 3 years. Would you then use that to plan purchasing and building armies? Therefore there would be value for GW aswell

Nope, because then you'r giving the community more ammunition to use. Things along the lines of 'why is x being done 3 books before y, y needs it more, GW you're terrible you should change your release order'.
And that's not even getting to the last book in the order that, if it's not a meta-defining book would be blasted just as much as an OP release.

This. They already get an inordinate amount of grief for their FAQ window roadmaps (and keep in mind, they actually meet those). Locking themselves into hard deadlines for each individual book is lunacy.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Khalith wrote:
The Admech definitely need a new codex, setting aside the new units, the 8th edition codex doesn’t even have the transport or its offensive variation in it.

The fact that the fething *AdMech* of all factions didn't launch with a transport, and basically went almost two editions without getting one, is something that I will never understand, and should make the studio feel silly

Pft! It actually worked well, assuming one played Mars. Gave some flavor to the Skitarii that way.

Cult crap had access to a teleporting Formation, which better fits that side of things than some mass produced transport.

Voss wrote:

Tycho wrote:

Necrons first. There are 10-15 kits floating around in various pictures. While some of those are in the starter (2 characters, new scarabs, and I believe the tripod unit), I can't see that many happening without a codex.

Marines probably second, since they were referencing the codex's crusade rules on stream.

That's certainly possible, but I think it would be a first wouldn't it?

No.
7th: May 2014, 1st Codex: Ork, June 2014
6th: June 2012, 1st Codex: Chaos Space Marines, October 2012


And simultaneous doesn't seem likely or even possible. It'd be too much to get out the door.


What I hope they do with marines is just tweak the main codex and add in the yet-more-new-stuff. Keep the supplements (well, new printings should incorporate the errata), and do Bluds, Woofs, Emos and Deadwatch as supplements with all their 'unique' doodads. Anything to stop reprinting 90% the same material over and over again. Then, in the next SM overhaul, we don't have the catastrophe that was the endless PA supplements of reprinting the same datasheets and traits eating up the same page count book after book. They can just do the core codex update, a few unique pages for each snowflake and the whole thing is done.

Personally, I want Deathwatch and Greyknights to be somewhat separate from conventional marines. I know that in 8th, GW did minimize the Chambers militant of the Inquisition, but the last book in the series is releasing an Inquisitor, and once the awakening is over and the Psychics are awake, that's when the Inquisition will be needed the most. These bonds may reform in 9th. I hope they do; GW's system of pay CP for allies makes sense and I think it's an improvement, but it doesn't make sense for the Inquisition and their Chambers Militant because the Inquisition isn't, and was never meant to be an army. They were meant to be a detachment which LEADS their army, which is composed MOSTLY of units from the Chamber Militant.

mrFickle wrote:
Would there be value to the community if GW announced the codex release schedule, in full, in advance. For say 3 years. Would you then use that to plan purchasing and building armies? Therefore there would be value for GW aswell

No. Because it'll create expectations. Then, when something inevitability goes awry requiring changes having to be made, you'll just have pissed off customers. It'll also screw up sales as people won't buy things.
So it's best not to share the "plan" with the customer base beyond the stuff in the immediate (3-6 month) future.

Just think about the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the delay in the release of Engine War during a global pandemic. There is no way it will help to release the order of codex releases further out then their submissions to the printer for production.

ccs wrote:

No. Because it'll create expectations. Then, when something inevitability goes awry requiring changes having to be made, you'll just have pissed off customers. It'll also screw up sales as people won't buy things.
So it's best not to share the "plan" with the customer base beyond the stuff in the immediate (3-6 month) future.

You don't even need to "share the plan" with certain aspects of the customer base to get that crap happening. One whiff of it from the Bell of Lost Tacos or Spikeybitz or 4chan from 'anon sources'? It's done.

Having a 'roadmap' like they did with Necromunda isn't a bad idea.


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 alextroy wrote:
Just think about the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the delay in the release of Engine War during a global pandemic. There is no way it will help to release the order of codex releases further out then their submissions to the printer for production.

Okay, just so we're clear:
There were two different things going on with Engine War.
1) The most vocal nonsense was coming from Daemon players, who for whatever reason thought they should have had articles out the wazoo during this timeframe.
2) The second most vocal nonsense came from fights flaring up around the articles Warhammer Community was posting. They were rehashes for the most part. Quite a few of the AdMech players(myself included) would have been fine with them just not talking about it after it became clear that they were just splitting out info from what would have been a single article about the 'AdMech reinforcements' into a bunch of little articles.

A full release schedule for three years would be too much, and yes, would set up expectations, not all of which would be met.

But some indicator about whether model production will be driven by 2.0 dexes or another campaign would be a good thing to talk about. An indication about pace would be helpful.

That info IS likely to come before the edition drops. But right now, they've gotta do the promo on Engine War, so it'll take a few weeks.

GW aren’t going to start telling us in advance what codexes are coming etc. They don’t want people holding off buying models waiting for a book, or not buying the ork Codex because a new one is coming in December.

They want you to buy now and buy lots.

Necrons are "soon" is a safe bet, but I'm not enough of a cynic to think GW will release a new space marine codex this soon after the last one. With that said they can still cash in on that sweet Space marine gravy train by releasing codexes for DA, BA, SW, DW and GK.

The Other faction that I would bet on being sooner rather than later is a custodes/talons of the emperor codex, I'm guessing they will round out the faction by adding SoS. If they are following the same pattern as 8th ed they'll have a "new" faction within a year, which seems like it would be EC, given the attention Fabulous bill has gotten lately. A new Noise marines kit, chaos primaris (or whatever they end up calling biles new men), and snake daddy seems like a really solid lineup. Then again I'm always wrong on these things...

I think necrons and deathwatch will be the first 2 out, but after that I really have no idea. As much as I’d like then to hold off a bit longer on a space marine codex I think it’s likely to be one of the first, but hopefully they’ll release deathwatch so that can scratch the space marine itch.

Why are people expecting a deathwatch codex? I thought they weren’t even a chapter In their own right

mrFickle wrote:
Why are people expecting a deathwatch codex? I thought they weren’t even a chapter In their own right

Because they have a Codex of their own now and a couple of separate kits (a squad, a plane, two characters, and a unique squad), because their major advantage over Space Marines (superior bolter fire) has been rendered irrelevant by Doctrines (which they don't get) and Bolter Discipline (which they can't combine with SIA), and because they didn't get any of the Vanguard units or anything in any Psychic Awakening book so they've been left badly behind by the power creep.

mrFickle wrote:
Why are people expecting a deathwatch codex? I thought they weren’t even a chapter In their own right

Because this appeared to be heavily hinted at/insinuated during the Q&A stream.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Why are people expecting a deathwatch codex? I thought they weren’t even a chapter In their own right

Because they have a Codex of their own now and a couple of separate kits (a squad, a plane, two characters, and a unique squad), because their major advantage over Space Marines (superior bolter fire) has been rendered irrelevant by Doctrines (which they don't get) and Bolter Discipline (which they can't combine with SIA), and because they didn't get any of the Vanguard units or anything in any Psychic Awakening book so they've been left badly behind by the power creep.

Ok not sure how I missed that. Maybe there’s so many marine armies I just can’t remember them all.

mrFickle wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Why are people expecting a deathwatch codex? I thought they weren’t even a chapter In their own right

Because they have a Codex of their own now and a couple of separate kits (a squad, a plane, two characters, and a unique squad), because their major advantage over Space Marines (superior bolter fire) has been rendered irrelevant by Doctrines (which they don't get) and Bolter Discipline (which they can't combine with SIA), and because they didn't get any of the Vanguard units or anything in any Psychic Awakening book so they've been left badly behind by the power creep.

Ok not sure how I missed that. Maybe there’s so many marine armies I just can’t remember them all.

Oh, entirely likely. The other issues are that they're not as visually distinct as the other weird Chapters (one strange aircraft, the ability to mix Intercessors and Hellblasters in one squad, and silver left arms don't really compare to being the Beard Legion or having plasma bikes and the most overdecorated storm shields known to man), they're quite new (the current range appeared in the dying days of 7e), and weird loadouts make it harder to take your models and hop Chapters into or out of them so your local meta may not have any.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

mrFickle wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Why are people expecting a deathwatch codex? I thought they weren’t even a chapter In their own right

Because they have a Codex of their own now and a couple of separate kits (a squad, a plane, two characters, and a unique squad), because their major advantage over Space Marines (superior bolter fire) has been rendered irrelevant by Doctrines (which they don't get) and Bolter Discipline (which they can't combine with SIA), and because they didn't get any of the Vanguard units or anything in any Psychic Awakening book so they've been left badly behind by the power creep.

Ok not sure how I missed that. Maybe there’s so many marine armies I just can’t remember them all.

Oh, entirely likely. The other issues are that they're not as visually distinct as the other weird Chapters (one strange aircraft, the ability to mix Intercessors and Hellblasters in one squad, and silver left arms don't really compare to being the Beard Legion or having plasma bikes and the most overdecorated storm shields known to man), they're quite new (the current range appeared in the dying days of 7e), and weird loadouts make it harder to take your models and hop Chapters into or out of them so your local meta may not have any.

It could explain why they got their PA rules in a WD rather than proper book like all the other marines.. Its unthinkable any flavour of power armour would be treated same way as some 3rd fiddle xenos.. The space marine player of the black and silver paint scheme are not happy they have been treated worse than the the space marines of other paint variants.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Why are people expecting a deathwatch codex? I thought they weren’t even a chapter In their own right

Because they have a Codex of their own now and a couple of separate kits (a squad, a plane, two characters, and a unique squad), because their major advantage over Space Marines (superior bolter fire) has been rendered irrelevant by Doctrines (which they don't get) and Bolter Discipline (which they can't combine with SIA), and because they didn't get any of the Vanguard units or anything in any Psychic Awakening book so they've been left badly behind by the power creep.

Just got WD 453.

They do get combat doctrines (not sure if that's what you mean; I don't own the SM Codex or supplements, so I don't know if there's another kind of doctrine that regular SM get and DW don't; I just know that they do get a thing called combat doctrines).

Nowhere in the description of bolter discipline does it say that it doesn't work with SIA (Special Issue Ammunition).

We also got litanies for our Chaplains and 14 more strats. These probably aren't all unique to us, some are probably reprinted from SM 2.0, but at least we get access.

So last thing about the uniqueness of DW, and why they are such a good fit right now. They are the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Xenos. Now GW has minimized the importance of Chambers Militant for all of 8th. But here's the thing: 8th ends BECAUSE of a psychic awakening, right? Is in, "Once it's over, additional psychics will be awake."

Nothing requires Inquisition more than the awakening of Psychics. In fact, it's a big enough deal that Chambers Militant may have to reclaim their prior importance. Nothing fits a Crusade narrative quite like an Inquisitorial purge (except maybe a ministorum war of faith).

One last thing: did you notice that the last PA is giving us an Inquisitor? Guess what Ordo.

Xenos. When you've got a Cron problem, and there's a Xenos Inquisitor on site... Well, if there's DW anywhere close, you can bet your bolters they'll be there soon. They usually show up just about the time morale is about to break.

 Argive wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Why are people expecting a deathwatch codex? I thought they weren’t even a chapter In their own right

Because this appeared to be heavily hinted at/insinuated during the Q&A stream.

This is why I think deathwatch are likely for one of the first codex releases. As much as I’d like to think GW would look at how long since a faction got attention, or that xenos need some love, I think that SM of one flavour or another will be one of the first 2 releases, and the hints in Q&A suggest that deathwatch will be soon. As I said, necrons seem likely as it looks like they’re in the starter box, so DW look like a solid bet for the obligatory Space Marine launch codex.