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Unfortunately for myself and others really, in my neck of the woods it's not the tournaments themselves cancelling (as the ones I go to a usually 20-30 people events) but the halls/civic centres/buildings closing down to the virus, and as such even if the event wanted to go ahead, it can't.

Obviously it's different for the very big tournaments, but for smaller scale ones, it's the venues themselves creating the cancellations. Obviously we all would have stopped moving each others models/dice, keptt a distance etc.

Urgh. At least I've got painting I can get on with I suppose...

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I've been to a great many tournaments. You cannot keep your distance from people in a venue. You are constantly going by people, bumping people, etc.

Just not touching other peoples' models and dice is not going to stop you from catching an illness.

Its common for people to pick up an illness, minor or whatever, at conventions and gatherings.
   
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 auticus wrote:

Its common for people to pick up an illness, minor or whatever, at conventions and gatherings.


Con crud is a routine. I'm shocked anyone thinks they'd be anything but a hotbed for transmission.
   
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 auticus wrote:
I've been to a great many tournaments. You cannot keep your distance from people in a venue. You are constantly going by people, bumping people, etc.

Just not touching other peoples' models and dice is not going to stop you from catching an illness.

Its common for people to pick up an illness, minor or whatever, at conventions and gatherings.


Especially as you don't even have to touch the people with corona. Who doesn't have to even have any symptoms. Basically anybody is potential carrier and you just need to be for a while in same location nearby. Not single tournament I have been has had tables sufficiently far from each other to be safe. And even if all tables were like 5m from each other still you could get it.

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Yeah, "Con crud" is totally a thing, one I've experienced many times lol. All tournies probably will, and should, be postponed until later in the year.

The first hit countries are already well past their peaks / on the downslope of infections, so it won't be indefinite... but now is definitely not the time for a tourney.
   
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 RiTides wrote:
The first hit countries are already well past their peaks...


Their first peaks. There could be additional waves of infection. For example, the second wave of Spanish Flu was more deadly than the first.

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From every piece of literature I have read there will be several peaks, not just one. This is the first wave.
   
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 Brothererekose wrote:
 ChargerIIC wrote:
Thanks to Shelter-In-Place all local tourneys have been canceled. Unfortunately, its also a misdemenor charge to keep the game stores in business so they've all shut down and furloughed thier staff. Rough times ahead for FLGS.

Would you care to elaborate on this? Which state?


The six county area around the East Bay of California has made defying the Shelter in Place a misdemeanor offense. Hilariously, it specifically calls out dinner parties as an example of what they will will arrest people fo. Most businesses complied quickly, but a couple bars got nailed and then there was the whole GameStop thing. My local FLGS is floating the idea of doing curbside delivery of goods, but with GW and Alliance Distribution out of the picture there won't be much to deliver I think.

Hopefully things will clear up in a few weeks. I don't know what all my neighbors that work in retail are going to do.


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 ChargerIIC wrote:
Hopefully things will clear up in a few weeks. I don't know what all my neighbors that work in retail are going to do.

I hadn't heard anything as far back as your post's time to this. Of course, this morning, KFWB newsradio had L.A. Mayor Garcetti announcing/threatening just such ticketing, misdameanor or such action for something similar.

Thanks for replying back to that.

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 Brothererekose wrote:
 ChargerIIC wrote:
Hopefully things will clear up in a few weeks. I don't know what all my neighbors that work in retail are going to do.

I hadn't heard anything as far back as your post's time to this. Of course, this morning, KFWB newsradio had L.A. Mayor Garcetti announcing/threatening just such ticketing, misdameanor or such action for something similar.

Thanks for replying back to that.


Its been weird because I'm from Fresno,CA and their shelter in place order doesn't carry the weight of enforcement. The local FLGS owner complied but was upset to find out that according th the rules she can't do curbside delivery, but sporting goods stores can be open to walk in business because guns are 'essential retail'.

https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/local-news/sporting-goods-stores-to-reopen-city-of-fresno-declares-them-essential/?fbclid=IwAR08edIjYjGOGAOmlvGCH1IIgYZrMLgRLDDt03bQs8GCYbnvc2MPQEj0hCI

Maybe we should get Warhammer declared essential...

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friendly local game stores income is historically 60 percent card player games, and as much as 40 percent warhammer, ish. Those card game nights are now (or soon will be) forbidden by local health law's police powers for the duration.

In other words, they are all going out of business this year, with perhaps a few exceptions that will continue on because a wealthy and eccentric enthusiast doesn't mind losing fistfuls of money.

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Dukeofstuff wrote:
friendly local game stores income is historically 60 percent card player games, and as much as 40 percent warhammer, ish. Those card game nights are now (or soon will be) forbidden by local health law's police powers for the duration.

In other words, they are all going out of business this year, with perhaps a few exceptions that will continue on because a wealthy and eccentric enthusiast doesn't mind losing fistfuls of money.



Aka: use FB or w/e media available to contact your local to encourage curbside pickup. I don’t endorse spending huge amounts of money during this, but if you want a local to come back to, try to pitch in a bit. Plus, others will do it. And you don’t need to worry about THEM spending money.

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Dukeofstuff wrote:
friendly local game stores income is historically 60 percent card player games, and as much as 40 percent warhammer, ish. Those card game nights are now (or soon will be) forbidden by local health law's police powers for the duration.

In other words, they are all going out of business this year, with perhaps a few exceptions that will continue on because a wealthy and eccentric enthusiast doesn't mind losing fistfuls of money.



The federal government is creating substantial loans that have limited payback requirements or none at all, designed for small businesses (that have business bank accounts apparently). Many of these local businesses do not need to go out of business if ineed they might be, especially if they are applying for and get one of these. I'm wondering if either of the last two companies I worked for are doing this.... I know my current company is.
   
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 Sazzlefrats wrote:
Dukeofstuff wrote:
friendly local game stores income is historically 60 percent card player games, and as much as 40 percent warhammer, ish. Those card game nights are now (or soon will be) forbidden by local health law's police powers for the duration.

In other words, they are all going out of business this year, with perhaps a few exceptions that will continue on because a wealthy and eccentric enthusiast doesn't mind losing fistfuls of money.



The federal government is creating substantial loans that have limited payback requirements or none at all, designed for small businesses (that have business bank accounts apparently). Many of these local businesses do not need to go out of business if ineed they might be, especially if they are applying for and get one of these. I'm wondering if either of the last two companies I worked for are doing this.... I know my current company is.


My old FLGS is going through this. The repayment terms include a clause saying that if you don't make your payments, your assets will be seized. They are trying to do the math to figure out if they can afford to pay back the loan *and* stay in business.

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They better plan for at least a year of this stuff.

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Dukeofstuff wrote:
They better plan for at least a year of this stuff.


This might be depressingly true. Anyone remember the great FLGS death after Border/Amazon? We've come so far since then and it really felt we were getting close to every city having a couple hobby shops that accept miniature/tabletop gamers and at least a small tourney scene. I'm worried this is going to be the start of a huge slide back.

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Well restrictions won't continue year+ non stop. The economy doesn't survive that one. More likely is tightening/easening periodically as needed. Once the infection rate gets into control they can be loosened a bit. Also build up testing capacity/supplies which helps ensuring as tight restrictions aren't needed to allow health system to cope.

Also there's real possibility there won't BE vaccine so this will be something humans will just have to live with. No vaccine for HIV despite decades of study

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tneva82 wrote:
Well restrictions won't continue year+ non stop. The economy doesn't survive that one. More likely is tightening/easening periodically as needed. Once the infection rate gets into control they can be loosened a bit. Also build up testing capacity/supplies which helps ensuring as tight restrictions aren't needed to allow health system to cope.

Also there's real possibility there won't BE vaccine so this will be something humans will just have to live with. No vaccine for HIV despite decades of study

That's more due to HIV being both highly prone to mutations and actually attacking your white blood cells. It's hard to train your immune system to go after a disease that views it as food.
   
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Yes. But just because something is virus doesn't mean there's vaccine to it. That's the point. We hope there's vaccine for corona and odds are good but there's no quarantee there is or it will be found quickly. Maybe one is available next year. Maybe in 5 years. Or 10 years. Either way restrictions won't be in force non stop until vaccine is out.

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tneva82 wrote:
Yes. But just because something is virus doesn't mean there's vaccine to it. That's the point. We hope there's vaccine for corona and odds are good but there's no quarantee there is or it will be found quickly. Maybe one is available next year. Maybe in 5 years. Or 10 years. Either way restrictions won't be in force non stop until vaccine is out.


An industry newsletter I get (I work in pharma) says realistically it's 18-24 months before we have a vaccine. And yes, that's an assumption we can create a vaccine. But the big brains seem to feel that it's doable.

But real progress can be made without a vaccine too. A real, tested treatment, methods to diagnose which patients will experience a cytokine storm, etc.

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tneva82 wrote:
Also there's real possibility there won't BE vaccine so this will be something humans will just have to live with. No vaccine for HIV despite decades of study

If we fail to make a vaccine, we just have to force herd immunity.

But if this thing mutates every year like flu, we just have to accept that most human beings just won't live past 60 anymore. Also, most people with asthma, diabetes, etc. won't make it far in adulthood.

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 Suzuteo wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Also there's real possibility there won't BE vaccine so this will be something humans will just have to live with. No vaccine for HIV despite decades of study

If we fail to make a vaccine, we just have to force herd immunity.

But if this thing mutates every year like flu, we just have to accept that most human beings just won't live past 60 anymore. Also, most people with asthma, diabetes, etc. won't make it far in adulthood.


As much as this virus impinges on our hobbies I feel we're all going to have to live with the restrictions for the next year or so. The 'herd immunity' strategy was estimated to cost 80,000 lives in little old Ireland. A country with a population of 4.5 million. Which is why the government went into lockdown instead.Scale that up to the larger countries, particularly the US and you'll see why it isn't a great idea. I'd rather wait this out and pick up the pieces afterwards.

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Banville wrote:
 Suzuteo wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Also there's real possibility there won't BE vaccine so this will be something humans will just have to live with. No vaccine for HIV despite decades of study

If we fail to make a vaccine, we just have to force herd immunity.

But if this thing mutates every year like flu, we just have to accept that most human beings just won't live past 60 anymore. Also, most people with asthma, diabetes, etc. won't make it far in adulthood.


As much as this virus impinges on our hobbies I feel we're all going to have to live with the restrictions for the next year or so. The 'herd immunity' strategy was estimated to cost 80,000 lives in little old Ireland. A country with a population of 4.5 million. Which is why the government went into lockdown instead.Scale that up to the larger countries, particularly the US and you'll see why it isn't a great idea. I'd rather wait this out and pick up the pieces afterwards.


At some point everyone will catch it in this year 2020 so we might as well start living again once hospitals are less overloaded. Living in fear is not living at all. But yes perhaps public events will from now on be capped to a certain number of people, and for quite some time in the near future.
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Banville wrote:
As much as this virus impinges on our hobbies I feel we're all going to have to live with the restrictions for the next year or so. The 'herd immunity' strategy was estimated to cost 80,000 lives in little old Ireland. A country with a population of 4.5 million. Which is why the government went into lockdown instead.Scale that up to the larger countries, particularly the US and you'll see why it isn't a great idea. I'd rather wait this out and pick up the pieces afterwards.

But the point of lockdowns was never to stay locked down indefinitely. It was to prevent the hospitals from being overrun so that everyone who does get a severe case of the bug has a fighting chance. Because containment has failed, the consensus among experts has always been herd immunity. Some countries, like Sweden, didn't even bother with a lockdown.

Anyhow, the US has done a remarkably good job so far; we like to belittle our healthcare system and its inherent inequities, but unlike Europe, nobody here has gone without the treatment they needed, and that is a very commendable thing. Anyhow, I'm getting sidetracked. The US economy will definitely collapse if we stay locked down for an entire year, which may result in a breakdown of civil order and take the world economy down with it. We're talking potentially tens of millions dead from starvation on every continent. It would probably mean the end of the United States of America. And the newest SIR models say that if pursue this strategy, assuming we miraculously stave off economic collapse, we will only reduce deaths by 9%.

I get the sense that the politicians know this, and they are now trying their best to package the herd immunity strategy in a palatable way (because nobody likes being compared to cattle in a time like this). The idea being that we only isolate the vulnerable population and reopen on a regional basis. We intentionally increase the case load among healthy adults as far as the hospitals can handle, with the goal of getting over this by late summer or so.
   
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Hey folks, kindly stay on topic and take all general COVID-19 related discussion to the following thread: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/784835.page



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As noted above, please take any general COVID-19 discussion to the thread linked to in BrookM's post (I had to remove a few posts, but feel free to re-post over there).


On the topic of tournaments - my local group just scheduled something for the first week of September (Labor Day). It will be a small event with only ~20 people. Seems safe enough given the timing hopefully?

For larger events, I'm not sure when they'll be able to be "back on", as the risk of a spike in cases come cold/flu season seems likely...

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 RiTides wrote:
As noted above, please take any general COVID-19 discussion to the thread linked to in BrookM's post (I had to remove a few posts, but feel free to re-post over there).


On the topic of tournaments - my local group just scheduled something for the first week of September (Labor Day). It will be a small event with only ~20 people. Seems safe enough given the timing hopefully?

For larger events, I'm not sure when they'll be able to be "back on", as the risk of a spike in cases come cold/flu season seems likely...



Yeah, I am starting to wonder what NOVA's backup plan is.
   
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Its really not very safe given the timing of this stuff. We don't have good summer data yet to see if the disease actually does tamp down in summer the way we expect, so that could mess with things just by uncertainty into the fall, and in the fall, we expect a second wave, so its likely very few state governors will list their essential industries as including plastic toy wargame conventions that MOST legislators never heard of.

My own governor has cut the econmoy off in my state till jun 10th (ironically 1 day after the electoral primaries) .. but the odds he will repoen the economy like throwing a lightswitch are very low. Far more likely, small steps will build up to small groups. Current theory is that large meetings are the worst and most directly bad transmission vectors -- one very sick person in a 1000 person convention has by definition 999 strangers to spread infection into, all of whom go home to random cities, counties, towns, jobs.

By comparison, a haircut shop with only 1 customer inside at a time, can only spread the diesase to a very few people in the same locality.

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