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How does Aetherquartz Brooch and Kattnak Browplate work on units not on the battlefield? Like the Ogor Hunter whom the Browplate is exclusive.

1. Aetherquartz Brooch. Each time you spend a command point, you get it back on a 5+.

2. Kattnak Browplate: Add 1 to save rolls for attacks that target the bearer. In addition, at the start of your first hero phase. you receive 1 additional command point.

No. You cant use abilities for units not on the battlefield unless explicitly stated.

 Stux wrote:
No. You cant use abilities for units not on the battlefield unless explicitly stated.

Afaik that is not an actual rule; it is simply that most artifacts/abilities must be in range of something to work, or affect rolls made for/made on the model. Would be happy if someone could point me to such a rule and correct me though.

Does browplate happrn before combat starts then?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Stux wrote:
No. You cant use abilities for units not on the battlefield unless explicitly stated.

Afaik that is not an actual rule; it is simply that most artifacts/abilities must be in range of something to work, or affect rolls made for/made on the model. Would be happy if someone could point me to such a rule and correct me though.

I'm fairly sure it's just that models not deployed on the battlefield don't count for...well, anything. They're part of your army list, not army.

From page 4 of the Warhammer Age of Sigmar – Core Rules, Designers’ Commentary:

Q: Can models set up in reserve (in the Celestial Realm, for example) cast spells, or use abilities or command abilities to affect other units?

A: No. Only models deployed on the battlefield can cast spells, or use abilities or command abilities to affect other units.

Hmm.

So it does say they cant use abilities "to affect other units". An ability that just gains CP isnt affecting other units, so potentially allowed.

Of course, not being explicitly disallowed isnt good enough for a permissive rules set.

However it may well be possible. I think it needs more clarification really! In the specific instance of the Brow Plate, I would say the intention is probably that it should work - seeing as it's a one time ability that can only activate the first turn and can only be taken by a unit with an in built ability to be held in reserves.


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 Niiai wrote:
Does browplate happrn before combat starts then?

The save ability is passive and always available.

The CP ability is of course the point of contention.

The RAW answer would then be that yes you can gain CP even if not on the table, since it is not casting nor is it using an ability or command ability to affect another unit.

Thanks Ghaz!

So it seems the plate does give its CP in a RAW sense; the artifact says 'X happens' and there is no rule to interrupt that. In this case the RAI is also rather obvious.

I do not see the RAI here, and I do not know AoS enough to understand the RAW.