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 Albertorius wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
That's what I'm saying. Photography for book pictures (with 3d prints) will lock in the current, undersized vehicles.

It's a weird move, for sure, when they could just... take the photos when they lock down the sizes on the sprues. It's not like they want to give people the rulebook before the minis after all... and even if they wanted to, they could do it anyways, as production would still take a (probably long) while.

Kinda making me think they're gonna go "ah, well, sorry everyone but we actually couldn't embiggen the vehicles and keep the number of them the same on the sprues, so we didn't". I'm personally not very worried about it, but it could be a real issue for some people, if that turns out to be true.

They're going to be getting the book printed for them at the very least (assuming they're set up to do the layout themselves) so they're at the mercy of what slots are available at the printers, miss the slot and they may need to wait too long for another meaning a missed release slot, so making sure everthing is finished on time may require compromises

After a very, very long time of playing with tiny Epic rhinos that absolutely could not fit 10 marines inside, Ork Battlewagons too, as long as its reasonably in scale, and you can tell what it is meant to be doing, I am honestly not too bothered.

Overall aesthetic, ease of build, plastics quality and price I would place above that in terms of importance - but understanding this is a very subjective thing.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manticgames/warpath-the-game-of-epic-scale-sci-fi-warfare/posts/4306437

KS delivery is delayed from March to May because of a change in resin production (resin infantry and similar small models are changed to 3D printing instead of casting)

People can change address in the pledge manager until end of February

And we get new pictures and Nameless Render:

"change the material" is on the Mantic KS bingo card

The resin change sounds like a good thing. I hope the quality is very, very good on a 14k printer.

 mattl wrote:
The resin change sounds like a good thing. I hope the quality is very, very good on a 14k printer.

"14k" in 3d printing is corporate speak and means between gak and feth.

I’ve seen the difference between 1K and 4K printers, and 4K printers seem to be very common for home printers now.

I never got along with resin printing at home myself.

Weird that they didn't say anything about the hot topic of the plastic vehicle sizes in this update.

 mattl wrote:
I’ve seen the difference between 1K and 4K printers, and 4K printers seem to be very common for home printers now.

I never got along with resin printing at home myself.

As far as I understand, in 3d printer land they appoint resolution to the absolute size, rather than an inch or other set measurement. So 14k doesn’t necessarily mean anything good, if the plate they print it on is gargantuan. But I might be mistaken, as im going off a loose memory of a video about 3d printing I’ve seen a while ago.

I assumed it was resolution of the display and that 4k being common for home printers now is because the price of a 4k LCD screen is now much cheaper than it was a few years ago.

The cheaper printers got larger displays but kept the same pixel size and therefore got higher total numbers but the same resolution (which is between 30 and 100 microns).

14k on a 6" display would be impressive on a 12" display not so much
Yet a big difference between industrial/professional printers and home printers is the light source and pixel size

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 mattl wrote:
I’ve seen the difference between 1K and 4K printers, and 4K printers seem to be very common for home printers now.

I never got along with resin printing at home myself.

As far as I understand, in 3d printer land they appoint resolution to the absolute size, rather than an inch or other set measurement. So 14k doesn’t necessarily mean anything good, if the plate they print it on is gargantuan. But I might be mistaken, as im going off a loose memory of a video about 3d printing I’ve seen a while ago.

Yes, but not only that. The number of ks that a given screen has doesn't matter whit, what you want to know is the size of the pixels, which is what actually matters.

And then there's the issue of screen density, where a bigger "k" number actually ends up detracting from the print quality because, while in theory the pixels are smaller, there's a point of diminishing returns with screen density where due to the aforementioned density (the screen is more packed with the needed electronics to have all that many pixels) mean that you need to extend light exposure to actually cure the resin above, which ends up causing blooming with a regular light source, and making the number of extra pixels moot unless you go for a really high end printer with much better light sources.

In short? Resolution hasn't actually been better in the last couple screen generations, even though the number of ks have increased, and we're kind of backpedalling on that regard.

As to actual pixel size, anything below about 30 microns is more or less overkill. By way of example, this week I downscaled some Anvil Digital 28mm minis down to 10mm (which is very ineficcient, because downscaling thin downs thedetail a whole lot) to use as Armoured Clash infantry. That's about the same scale as Epic Warpath regular infantry, and this was the result, with something that's very badly suited for it, on an Uniformation GKTwo, which is "8k", with a 10'' screen and a pixel size of 29 microns:



I guarantee you that going from an "8k" screen to a "14k" or however big arbitrary number you go, it will make little if any difference whatsoever.


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 kodos wrote:
The cheaper printers got larger displays but kept the same pixel size and therefore got higher total numbers but the same resolution (which is between 30 and 100 microns).

14k on a 6" display would be impressive on a 12" display not so much
Yet a big difference between industrial/professional printers and home printers is the light source and pixel size

On paper we're on the 16-24 microns range nowadays... but that's mostly on paper

 Siygess wrote:
Weird that they didn't say anything about the hot topic of the plastic vehicle sizes in this update.

It does look to me that they're bigger, but there's only a few photos. I do hope they confirm they were able to embiggen them a bit...

Yea resolution on a 10" 8K printer is about on the edge of what a human eye can resolve, 12k is safely beyond it, further increase is pointless (and is probably bottlenecked in other components anyway).

Thats dependent on the size of your screen, those resolutions on a 3"x5" screen will produce different results from the same resolution on a 36"x60" screen.

It sounds like resolution isn't a helpful measurement.

the original announcement says "We’re taking things up a notch! All of the 'reinforcements' infantry units will now receive a quality upgrade, thanks to an exciting new partnership with the expert team at AmeraLabs.

We’ll be using their Master Quality Resins to produce these particular units at 14k resolution and ultra-thin 0.02 layer heights, to ensure that these very super-finely-detailed units will look their absolute best.

The other 'reinforcements' units, such as vehicles and Super-Heavies already achieve a fantastic result in hand-cast resin, so this change is specific to the 'reinforcements' infantry."

AmeraLabs seems to be selling a specialized resin for miniatures, but is "ultra-thin 0.02 layer heights" especially low?

On Kickstarter Mantic confirmed "We use Anycubic M7 Pro for our printing, and have worked with AmeraLabs directly to tune in the SioMaster Resin for production printing."

Also they confirmed still no word on the vehicle sizes, they're waiting on final sprue designs.

[quote=mattlAmeraLabs seems to be selling a specialized resin for miniatures, but is "ultra-thin 0.02 layer heights" especially low?

Well we know it's an AnyCubic M7 Pro, AmeraLabs SioMaster Resin and 20 micron layer height.

* https://store.anycubic.com/products/photon-mono-m7-pro

* https://ameralabs.com/shop/siomaster/

 mattl wrote:
Well we know it's an AnyCubic M7 Pro, AmeraLabs SioMaster Resin and 20 micron layer height.

* https://store.anycubic.com/products/photon-mono-m7-pro

* https://ameralabs.com/shop/siomaster/

yeah, I was continuing above ^^

It helps the conversation flow if we're not editing old posts too much.

Is it me or Epic Warpath minis have the same "issue" of Vanguard DiD minis? like amazing infantry but vehicles are meh... guess I'll wait until I have them on my hands.

SU-152 wrote:
Is it me or Epic Warpath minis have the same "issue" of Vanguard DiD minis? like amazing infantry but vehicles are meh... guess I'll wait until I have them on my hands.

A little bit, yeah, which makes sense being the same designs, but yeah, Mantic vehicles tend to be a bit uninspired... I think the only one I really, really like is the truck.

I find the original Warpath vehicles pretty swell. Stuff added now for the epic game (Enforcer tank, plague mortar, superheavies...) is mostly meh.

The original vehicles being the Marauder trike and the Forgefather gun/turret thing?

I have a few of those trikes, I was thinking of using them for Gorkamorka.

I include the plastics from the original Warpath KS

(Mule, Hornet, Rat drill, FF and Asterian tanks)

Ah yes, those are very nice.

I just received an order of a Halfling Battlegroup, Halfling Howitzer, and a Northern Alliance Frostclaw Riders Regiment.

I have to say I am really impressed with these miniatures. Mantic's game has stepped up really well in more recent releases. The Frostclaw Riders are damn amazing, and well worth it for just the conversion opportunities alone, as well as the bonus 2 wings you get per box.

Looking forward to converting the Frostclaws to be mounts for Cult of Taal Empire Captains with the Dragon Bow for Warhammer: The Old World. Will likely remove and resculpt the platform on the back, and have the riders sitting closer up on the neck. The Dwarfs supplied (4 per kit) can make extra bodies or be used as characters to join in with the GW ME Dwarves I am using which are the same scale.

The Halfling troops will be given 28mm scale Dwarf heads so they can fit in with the GW Middle Earth Dwarfs, and become Thunderers. All my armies are in 28mm scale as it allows me to use cheaper historical miniatures compared to GW ones, as well as the occaisional Middle Earth ones as characters. Their mounts will be used with wolf heads to make mounts for my Goblin Wolfriders. I think they will work really well, and look very different to a lot of other manufacturers wolves. Plus, all the Goblins I have to put on mounts are smaller than the current GW ones, so they'll fit nicely. The spear arms will be used for my Chaos force to make lances, once I extend them out a bit with some tubing with the same diameter. Will need to find ways to add the shield arms to my current GW ME Dwarfs to give them a nice variation. Either that or scrape the arm parts off and glue them to the back of the miniature with a strap going across their body. I feel these miniatures will work really well to look like a more rag-tag mercenary group.

The Halfling Howitzer will also have the same happen, with me changing it to being crewed by Dwarfs. It comes with both a multibarrel gun, which could be either an Organ Gun for Dwarves, or an Empire Hellblaster, depending on what you're using them for. It also comes with a mortar, but that's only going to be really useful for the Empire if you ever choose to run one of those.

Overall, really great miniatures, and it's really good to see better art direction and design choices come through for Mantic.

^ The spare frostclaw wings are great for converting pegasus captains if you have an Empire army and don't want the usual route of just using a bretonnian one.

scarletsquig wrote:
^ The spare frostclaw wings are great for converting pegasus captains if you have an Empire army and don't want the usual route of just using a bretonnian one.

I forgot to write in that this is exactly what I mean to do. Use two Frostclaws as pegasus mounts for Cult of Taal captain characters, and then use the wings to convert two Victrix or Perry horses into Pegasus mounts for other character types. There is a hell of a lot of use in this kit. I don't much care for the platform the dwarves stand on, but I think I should be able to convert that up easily enough. As I am only likely to need two of these, I think this box set is a really good deal.

What happened to the plastic Rebs that were meant to be produced for Firefight/Warpath?

Are Mantic still planning to produce the and if so, when?