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They're also effectively working from home to try and do this. When they announced the online previews I'm betting they planned them from inside the studio as well so that there was more for them to talk about/show/discuss by having the models literally to hand or to put on the revolving display camera.

Why people complain that things like this aren't good enough considering the situation at large around the world is baffling.

What's with this insistence to give GW all the benefit of doubt, like they simply cannot do wrong?

 BroodSpawn wrote:
They're also effectively working from home to try and do this. When they announced the online previews I'm betting they planned them from inside the studio as well so that there was more for them to talk about/show/discuss by having the models literally to hand or to put on the revolving display camera.

Why people complain that things like this aren't good enough considering the situation at large around the world is baffling.

Because the images, videos and materials were already made and ready for adepticon, they've not really had to put much extra effort into this beyond making sure some peeps had webcams and time to chat.


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 Agamemnon2 wrote:
What's with this insistence to give GW all the benefit of doubt, like they simply cannot do wrong?

Tbh I usually would but it was just over hyped and under sold this time imo.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
What's with this insistence to give GW all the benefit of doubt, like they simply cannot do wrong?

Are you joking? This forum assumes baseline that GW can do nothing right. Giving people the benefit of the doubt because of an effectively global lockdown is more than fair in this case.

Because the images, videos and materials were already made and ready for adepticon, they've not really had to put much extra effort into this beyond making sure some peeps had webcams and time to chat.

I'd argue that, but then we're going to have to go technical into setting up remote connections. And just because there's a video or 6 made, or a dozen pictures taken, doesn't mean planning/organising/re-scripting a preview event to run out of someones attic compared to being in a studio where they'd had a few weeks to prepare... all of that requires a lot more effort than you're willing to credit them for.

Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

Yes, I’m sure that wouldn’t have met with any complaints at all.

Awesome reveal! High point: Scions of the Flame!
Low: Daft Elves with hammers and Hammer cattle.
Lion did not disappoint, Fabius is a credible update and Éomer is fantastic. Interested in seeing how the Warhammer Storyforge stuff plays out.

 BroodSpawn wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
What's with this insistence to give GW all the benefit of doubt, like they simply cannot do wrong?

Are you joking? This forum assumes baseline that GW can do nothing right. Giving people the benefit of the doubt because of an effectively global lockdown is more than fair in this case.

Because the images, videos and materials were already made and ready for adepticon, they've not really had to put much extra effort into this beyond making sure some peeps had webcams and time to chat.

I'd argue that, but then we're going to have to go technical into setting up remote connections. And just because there's a video or 6 made, or a dozen pictures taken, doesn't mean planning/organising/re-scripting a preview event to run out of someones attic compared to being in a studio where they'd had a few weeks to prepare... all of that requires a lot more effort than you're willing to credit them for.

They could pre record, they could simply do the reveal without the stream, they could postpone. But there are plenty of tools available for online conferencing, plus they do have experts dedicated to setting up streams.

The point is the hyped up the biggest reveal ever and for the most part showed either parts of a whole in terms of the elven faction or just a single character sculpt.

 Dysartes wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Ah got to love it. 40k community who got most news is also loudest complainers.

Not sure I'd say 40k got the most news from that presentation - I'd argue that would be AOS, or possibly WarCry (with the confirmation there is more to come).

Still, we've only had half the presentation so far.

For what we have had, though, I'd say they raised the hype bar a bit too high.

Yup, it's a one-two punch of them hyping it up as the bestest most unmissable preview evar! and people still not getting it through their collective skulls that the PA books are historical books. They are set during the Indomitus Crusade and are thus in the past of 40k's "current" timeline. No random surprise Primarchs will appear. No one significant will (permanently) die etc. yet people don't get this and hype themselves up for disappointment.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

Oh for feth's sake! A preview was promised, a preview was delivered. And there will be more next week. And no on forced you to watch it. But on next week do us all a favour and just skip the preview, then you effectively get your wish of not having it, and at the same time spare us from your entitled whining.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

Yes, I’m sure that wouldn’t have met with any complaints at all.

Considering public events of almost any sort have been cancelled until August, the cancellation of a preview event by GW wouldn't really have amounted to a very large blip on anyone's radar.

 Crimson wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

Oh for feth's sake! A preview was promised, a preview was delivered. And there will be more next week. And no on forced you to watch it. But on next week do us all a favour and just skip the preview, then you effectively get your wish of not having it, and at the same time spare us from your entitled whining.

I don't think people are bemoaning the quality of the stream, far from, I personally think they did a stellar job given the circumstances. What I and other people have commented on is the absence of substance to the reveals themselves.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

Whiners gotta whine, right? With all that's going on in the world, this is what you come to a public forum to bellyache about.

I will admit I was underwhelmed by the reveals because none of what was shown were games I'm currently into to, but that GW put something on at all for us was nice, and I'll still look forward to April 4th reveal. . Maybe they had more originally, maybe not, but everyone's plans have had a wrench thrown in the works. However, GW has done right to protect their employee's health, even if that means you didn't get to see all the toys you wanted to see.

It's been said several times in this thread now that this was going to be "The biggest reveal ever". Just for clarity - there are still people in the world that, when told by marketing material that they're getting about to receive the biggest thing ever, actually expect to receive the biggest thing ever? That seems almost unbelievable to me, but ok.

 Soundtheory wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

Whiners gotta whine, right? With all that's going on in the world, this is what you come to a public forum to bellyache about.

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Dudeface wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

Oh for feth's sake! A preview was promised, a preview was delivered. And there will be more next week. And no on forced you to watch it. But on next week do us all a favour and just skip the preview, then you effectively get your wish of not having it, and at the same time spare us from your entitled whining.

I don't think people are bemoaning the quality of the stream, far from, I personally think they did a stellar job given the circumstances. What I and other people have commented on is the absence of substance to the reveals themselves.

A Primarch, a plastic 'greater daemon', and redo of two legendary character models, and then some other stuff on top of that was not enough substance for you? What the hell you were expecting?

 Soundtheory wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

Whiners gotta whine, right? With all that's going on in the world, this is what you come to a public forum to bellyache about.

Sure, because we can just go out and game.... Oh wait, no we can't.
We can just go the FLGS down to paint... Oh wait, no we can't.
We can just go up to the local club to shoot the gak and play... Oh wait, no we can't.

People are inside and bored. You'll see a lot more of this, so suck it up as you're in for a long few months.

A 30k primarch is worth less than nothing to most 40k players, for starters. It's still a fairly niche game that only appeals to people who mostly like marine-on-marine combat using the 7th edition rules. Not exactly a massive demographic.

JWBS wrote:
It's been said several times in this thread now that this was going to be "The biggest reveal ever". Just for clarity - there are still people in the world that, when told by marketing material that they're getting about to receive the biggest thing ever, actually expect to receive the biggest thing ever? That seems almost unbelievable to me, but ok.

I tend to think marketing people should be held to account when they go OTT.

Compare and contrast the pre-event post for the LVO seminar compared to the Adepticon seminar.

Even allowing for the fact we're essentially at half-time on the Adepticon seminar, unless some games get additional material next Saturday, the "biggest Warhammer preview ever" will have shown off less new stuff than the LVO event for those games, which is a stupid level of over-hype.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
A 30k primarch is worth less than nothing to most 40k players, for starters. It's still a fairly niche game that only appeals to people who mostly like marine-on-marine combat using the 7th edition rules. Not exactly a massive demographic.

Lion was for the HH players and painters/collectors.

I like the fire guys for warcry.

I was expecting something out there for aos, but the cow. Even GW showed they get it doesn't fit with elves with their video. They made it into the joke that it is.

When idoneth came out, the showed the models to some podcasters who were really excited and impressed. I wonder if they tried the same thing here and the people were like disappointed and quiet, so they were like "let's do a joke video instead!"

 Crimson wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

Oh for feth's sake! A preview was promised, a preview was delivered. And there will be more next week. And no on forced you to watch it. But on next week do us all a favour and just skip the preview, then you effectively get your wish of not having it, and at the same time spare us from your entitled whining.

I don't think people are bemoaning the quality of the stream, far from, I personally think they did a stellar job given the circumstances. What I and other people have commented on is the absence of substance to the reveals themselves.

A Primarch, a plastic 'greater daemon', and redo of two legendary character models, and then some other stuff on top of that was not enough substance for you? What the hell you were expecting?

All of that has been par for the course with other GW previews. This one was advertised as the biggest ever.

Things that would constitute that would be a brand new faction (completely unseen, so the Teclis Elves don't count). There's plenty hinted at in AoS that they could just pull out f the blue.

A brand new edition. Obvious really.

A returning Primarch. Now, personally I don't want that, but that is on the top tier level of "Wow holy gak!" stuff that would justify calling it the "biggest ever".

I don't like the Dark Angels, but their models are so nice I plan to pick up a handful, and probably the lion as well. His bare head makes me think he should be fighting General Grevious.

Elves with hammers? I don't see the big deal personally. They don't look like massive war clubs, but what I imagine a Polo mallet would look like in heroic scale.

I just took biggest ever to be amount of things shown, not necessarily the scope of what was shown. And we’ve yet to see either way whether it is or not, with next weeks reveal.

One axe they've already thrown in the air that we know will land eventually are the Sons of Behemat, whoever they are. Last mentioned in the Zoat video, I think.

Wasn't the 'biggest reveal ever' stuff originally referring to the fact that they'd doubled the size and number of seats of the seminar room from last year's adepticon, so referring to the physical size of the reveal, not the content?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I don't like the Dark Angels, but their models are so nice I plan to pick up a handful, and probably the lion as well. His bare head makes me think he should be fighting General Grevious.

Elves with hammers? I don't see the big deal personally. They don't look like massive war clubs, but what I imagine a Polo mallet would look like in heroic scale.

Yeah, I'm not getting the whole Elves not being allowed hammers thing ITT. What do they think Vaul used?

pgmason wrote:
Wasn't the 'biggest reveal ever' stuff originally referring to the fact that they'd doubled the size and number of seats of the seminar room from last year's adepticon, so referring to the physical size of the reveal, not the content?

And that there was going to be something for every game.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I just took biggest ever to be amount of things shown, not necessarily the scope of what was shown. And we’ve yet to see either way whether it is or not, with next weeks reveal.

pgmason wrote:
Wasn't the 'biggest reveal ever' stuff originally referring to the fact that they'd doubled the size and number of seats of the seminar room from last year's adepticon, so referring to the physical size of the reveal, not the content?

Love how we're now doing RAI on GW's social media statements...

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
What's with this insistence to give GW all the benefit of doubt, like they simply cannot do wrong?

Plenty of wrong they did for me on the aelves. But the "bohoo there's too little" is just snowflake entitled whining. They could have announced 40k 9th ed june and aos 3rd for july and they would STILL complain not enough.

Some people just aren't satisfied and are having unrealistic expectations. Or it's like certain guy and if it's not orks it's boring insignificant useless preview.