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I'm pretty much checking out as far as Psychic Awakening is concerned. It's basically been a massive chaos and space marine update. Pariah is just the final nail in the Xenos coffin. We're not getting anything models wise anytime soon it seems, but even MORE new imperium stuff so...yay.

Huh, that Pariah reveal was pretty underwhelming.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Huh, that Pariah reveal was pretty underwhelming.

Imagine if you play DW or Harlis though. It's even worse for them. Don't even get included in the book. They get WD issues.

So even more documents required to play 8th Ed.

That Harlequins sidelining is pretty sad.

No Vigilus treatment at all, while most factions got something and GW-love-child Chaos Marines got an entire Vigilus on their own. And now they're thrown out of PA, so GW can pamper those Chaos Marine babies to a double-appearance special treatment, lol.

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
I'm pretty much checking out as far as Psychic Awakening is concerned. It's basically been a massive chaos and space marine update. Pariah is just the final nail in the Xenos coffin. We're not getting anything models wise anytime soon it seems, but even MORE new imperium stuff so...yay.

Er - technically there is a brand new Harlequin model right there? Its not at all ideal - and I would have hoped he would be fiedlable in a Harlequins force - maybe both of them

You know what, I can smell another big box set coming. On one side you will have Sisters with those two new characters. One the other there will be Necrons led by Szeras and a squad of Pariahs.
Quote this post lol.

I think there will be a surprise for Necrons coming as the Harlquin guy cant be the reason the book is called like that as he doesn't even have rules in the book as Harlequins are in White Dwarf together with Deathwatch.

So we don't actually have anything Pariah in the Pariah book and they didn't say anything about Necrons even thought they obviously have to be the other party in the book as there is nobody left

For me all of that looks like they just wanted to tease us and there will be Necron Pariahs shown off in one of the future reveals

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Huh, that Pariah reveal was pretty underwhelming.

Imagine if you play DW or Harlis though. It's even worse for them. Don't even get included in the book. They get WD issues.

So even more documents required to play 8th Ed.

It’s the same, surely. Just DW or Harly players get to buy a £6 magazine rather than a £25 book.

I know there is still stuff coming, but those reveals have been pretty underwhelming so far...

DW and harlequins just getting rules in white dwarf is just prime major liege BS....

I really hope necrons get at least some models for pariah, but I am not getting my hopes up, cause feth everything that isnt space marines, right....?

Also in my opinion ephreal stern and that new harlequin character look freakin awful. I guess the poses are fine, but those faces! And hair! I don't understand why GW can't model proper faces and hair....

Matrindur wrote:
I think there will be a surprise for Necrons coming as the Harlquin guy cant be the reason the book is called like that as he doesn't even have rules in the book as Harlequins are in White Dwarf together with Deathwatch.

So we don't actually have anything Pariah in the Pariah book and they didn't say anything about Necrons even thought they obviously have to be the other party in the book as there is nobody left

For me all of that looks like they just wanted to tease us and there will be Necron Pariahs shown off in one of the future reveals

I'm pretty sure they said the rules for both of them (who have to be fielded together I believe) are in Pariah but the wider harlequin update will be in WD. You may be right, maybe they're holding the necron stuff back but I just have no confidence that is true. After introducing the Silent King in WD (which they did with the new Dark Angel's character prior to him getting a model) I'm sorely disappointed just like I have been with how the xenos have been treated in every psychic awakening book. However we will see.

I really thought that the inclusion of the Assassin rules in War of the Spider was a great way to take something missing and put it into a book rather than leaving it floating in some random issue of WD. Guess I was wrong to have hope there...

 ImAGeek wrote:
It’s the same, surely. Just DW or Harly players get to buy a £6 magazine rather than a £25 book.

And if you play both? And the factions in Pariah as well?

yeah, it looks like Stern and Pariah will have rules in Pariah (not the WD since they can only be used in Sisters or Imperium forces, so not harlequins).

What a friggin' huge letdown for Harlies and Deathwatch (which I have both). WD rules only....not even a book for both of them, what a crock. I wouldn't expect much from their rules to be honest.

Well, my interest for pariah went from a 10 in my original post, down to a 2....maybe a 1, since I don't have a Necrons or sisters force.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really thought that the inclusion of the Assassin rules in War of the Spider was a great way to take something missing and put it into a book rather than leaving it floating in some random issue of WD. Guess I was wrong to have hope there...

 ImAGeek wrote:
It’s the same, surely. Just DW or Harly players get to buy a £6 magazine rather than a £25 book.

And if you play both? And the factions in Pariah as well?

Well that would be a pain, sure. But I wouldn’t have been surprised if they’d made DW and Harleys a 10th PA book anyway.

It's less about giving them their own book, but rather including them in an existing book.

A Sisters vs Necrons book sounds great. Sounds even better when you have DW backing the Sisters up, and the Harlis as a wild card as they're anti-Necrons, but not strictly allies of the Imperial either.

Plus the inclusion of the "Pariah" Harli ties everything in together.

But no, they get WD issues. Great. More docs to play 8th. BCBs gonna love that.

Who now in the galaxy can stand against the rising tide of the warp? Who will rise to save us from Chaos? Be careful what you wish for…

Well at least the quote from the reveal sounds like Necrons will play a big part...hopefully. Some Blackstone shenanigans.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Deathwatch's main tactics are that they have no main tactics.

Maybe you should read the Codex again (carefully) before claiming things to be a fact that are none.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They always tend to favor strikes against the command structures of enemy forces. They always tend to be outnumbered and spread their forces over multiple warzones.

That's exactly what I'm saying
...and what do you do, when you are outnumbered?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Huh, that Pariah reveal was pretty underwhelming.

Imagine if you play DW or Harlis though. It's even worse for them. Don't even get included in the book. They get WD issues.

Tiberias wrote:DW and harlequins just getting rules in white dwarf is just prime major liege BS....

This preview again showed that GW can't do Project management and stick to their own promises

"We are doing 2 previews to replace the cancelled Adepticon." --> Oh, now there will be 3rd one
"Every Faction will be covered in Psychic Awakening" --> Simply a lie now that 2 of them are outsourced to WD.

Pyrosphere wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Deathwatch's main tactics are that they have no main tactics.

Maybe you should read the Codex again (carefully) before claiming things to be a fact that are none.

Read it to me. Because the Deathwatch hallmark has always been that their "main tactic" is improvisation in the field and having a wide skillset to choose from thanks to recruiting from the various Chapters instead of being a monolithic organization.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They always tend to favor strikes against the command structures of enemy forces. They always tend to be outnumbered and spread their forces over multiple warzones.

That's exactly what I'm saying

Reread the parts you left out.

Kanluwen wrote:It's really bizarre though that people are saying Deathwatch's perceived "main tactics"(which again, there are none) are somehow different than the Raven Guard's or Astartes tactics in general. They always tend to favor strikes against the command structures of enemy forces. They always tend to be outnumbered and spread their forces over multiple warzones.

Those aren't specialties of the Deathwatch. Those are specialties of the Adeptus Astartes in general. Different Chapters, admittedly, utilize these tactics in different ways but the common thread for Astartes is shock assaults aimed at severing command chains or critical assets.

...and what do you do, when you are outnumbered?

I mean, you don't run at the other guy screaming while waving swords for one thing...
Yet for the Astartes, it's a valid tactic. Because they're transhuman entities wearing armor plating that effectively makes them human tanks and with weapons that can pulp a man in light armor.

If you want Deathwatch(or Astartes in general) to get a better representation for these kinds of things? Basic Tactical, Intercessor, and Infiltrator Marines will have to go to 20ppm, with T6 and a 2+ save with 4-5W each.

Deathwatch hallmark is NOT to adapt on the fly to a situation....it's to create specialized kill teams to perform a task. It is done ahead of time, not on the fly.

 bullyboy wrote:
Deathwatch hallmark is NOT to adapt on the fly to a situation....it's to create specialized kill teams to perform a task. It is done ahead of time, not on the fly.

And those kill teams are magically sent to the warzone, prepackaged?

Face facts here: a lot of the Deathwatch bits are more suited to lore, not the tabletop. Those Kill Teams are set up as a response to a specific threat. It's only relatively recently that we started having this concept of "whole armies of Deathwatch deployed to a warzone".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's less about giving them their own book, but rather including them in an existing book.

A Sisters vs Necrons book sounds great. Sounds even better when you have DW backing the Sisters up, and the Harlis as a wild card as they're anti-Necrons, but not strictly allies of the Imperial either.

Plus the inclusion of the "Pariah" Harli ties everything in together.

But no, they get WD issues. Great. More docs to play 8th. BCBs gonna love that.

Alot is going to depend on the actual WD content and what you want. It should have about the same level of rules as most non-marine armies got in PA, it might even have a smilar level o of lore content.

Its not a good thing IMO but we did have all those reprinted Primaris datasheets instead ......

Tiberias wrote:
I know there is still stuff coming, but those reveals have been pretty underwhelming so far...

DW and harlequins just getting rules in white dwarf is just prime major liege BS....

I really hope necrons get at least some models for pariah, but I am not getting my hopes up, cause feth everything that isnt space marines, right....?

Also in my opinion ephreal stern and that new harlequin character look freakin awful. I guess the poses are fine, but those faces! And hair! I don't understand why GW can't model proper faces and hair....

I'm guessing Necrons will get something big in Pariah from today's preview article: "Ephrael Stern is getting a model of her own – just in time to test her powers against the greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced."

So that 'greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced' is going to be in Pariah since it's the last book, which also means it's probably something Necron. Maybe a C'tan at full power as a Lord of War choice or something along those lines.

 Asmodai wrote:

Tiberias wrote:
I know there is still stuff coming, but those reveals have been pretty underwhelming so far...

DW and harlequins just getting rules in white dwarf is just prime major liege BS....

I really hope necrons get at least some models for pariah, but I am not getting my hopes up, cause feth everything that isnt space marines, right....?

Also in my opinion ephreal stern and that new harlequin character look freakin awful. I guess the poses are fine, but those faces! And hair! I don't understand why GW can't model proper faces and hair....

I'm guessing Necrons will get something big in Pariah from today's preview article: "Ephrael Stern is getting a model of her own – just in time to test her powers against the greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced."

So that 'greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced' is going to be in Pariah since it's the last book, which also means it's probably something Necron. Maybe a C'tan at full power as a Lord of War choice or something along those lines.

I would think the Necrons will want to use her as she is a anti-chaos weapon which is their primary enemy.

I dont think Pariah is Necrons v Sisters. From the preview:

Who now in the galaxy can stand against the rising tide of the warp? Who will rise to save us from Chaos? Be careful what you wish for…

Psychic Awakening: Pariah will see champions old and new come to the fore, including a legendary, Chaos-destroying heroine. Witness the return of the Daemonifuge!

I wonder with the large negative response to the Deathwatch/Harlequin news, will GW go into a little more detail to put out the fires this week on WHC?

 bullyboy wrote:
I wonder with the large negative response to the Deathwatch/Harlequin news, will GW go into a little more detail to put out the fires this week on WHC?

Absolutely not. They're going to gloat about the table scraps they're pretending to throw to the players of those factions, and sit on their asses for another four months.

Have chaos demons gotten their book yet? Could be sisters vs demons.

Presumably it's the same rules? Just without the story and name generators.
Daemons are in Engine war.

 Asmodai wrote:

Tiberias wrote:
I know there is still stuff coming, but those reveals have been pretty underwhelming so far...

DW and harlequins just getting rules in white dwarf is just prime major liege BS....

I really hope necrons get at least some models for pariah, but I am not getting my hopes up, cause feth everything that isnt space marines, right....?

Also in my opinion ephreal stern and that new harlequin character look freakin awful. I guess the poses are fine, but those faces! And hair! I don't understand why GW can't model proper faces and hair....

I'm guessing Necrons will get something big in Pariah from today's preview article: "Ephrael Stern is getting a model of her own – just in time to test her powers against the greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced."

So that 'greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced' is going to be in Pariah since it's the last book, which also means it's probably something Necron. Maybe a C'tan at full power as a Lord of War choice or something along those lines.

yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.

 bullyboy wrote:


yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.

Perhaps Necrons are the big bad going into the new edition, and the last PA is setting them up as the other side of a new starter box. That's why they haven't been unveiled until they're ready to show 9E.

 bullyboy wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:

Tiberias wrote:
I know there is still stuff coming, but those reveals have been pretty underwhelming so far...

DW and harlequins just getting rules in white dwarf is just prime major liege BS....

I really hope necrons get at least some models for pariah, but I am not getting my hopes up, cause feth everything that isnt space marines, right....?

Also in my opinion ephreal stern and that new harlequin character look freakin awful. I guess the poses are fine, but those faces! And hair! I don't understand why GW can't model proper faces and hair....

I'm guessing Necrons will get something big in Pariah from today's preview article: "Ephrael Stern is getting a model of her own – just in time to test her powers against the greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced."

So that 'greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced' is going to be in Pariah since it's the last book, which also means it's probably something Necron. Maybe a C'tan at full power as a Lord of War choice or something along those lines.

yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.

for all we know the hidden foe is a new chaos army.