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I wonder if its the shoulder pads that prevented them from getting DW straight off the bat. Seeing as how there aren't any Phobos themed Deathwatch shoulder pads, and models like the eliminator have fabric covering most of the shoulder, but left enough that you can tell it doesn't have the fancy writing on it. Though, that didn't stop them from painting the dead marine on the apothecary's base like a DW marine

GaroRobe wrote:
I wonder if its the shoulder pads that prevented them from getting DW straight off the bat. Seeing as how there aren't any Phobos themed Deathwatch shoulder pads, and models like the eliminator have fabric covering most of the shoulder, but left enough that you can tell it doesn't have the fancy writing on it. Though, that didn't stop them from painting the dead marine on the apothecary's base like a DW marine

Worked fine on Reivers, that have the same pattern armour. Granted, you wouldn't be able to use the start collecting set easily, as the pads are molded on, but now that Infils/Incurs have their own kit, that's not a problem.
The fact that Suppressors don't have their own kit is a bit of an issue, especially if a Phobos kill team was to include them (although technically not phobos, so maybe called Vanguard kill team instead).
I wonder if we will see a line of Omnis pattern armour Primaris in the future, maybe that will be what the bike/speeder dudes from the leaked image are wearing? Would then understand why they aren't releasing a kit if they are waiting for the entire line to be released.

GaroRobe wrote:
I wonder if its the shoulder pads that prevented them from getting DW straight off the bat. Seeing as how there aren't any Phobos themed Deathwatch shoulder pads, and models like the eliminator have fabric covering most of the shoulder, but left enough that you can tell it doesn't have the fancy writing on it. Though, that didn't stop them from painting the dead marine on the apothecary's base like a DW marine

Funnily enough that was the reason my GW manager gave me for the lack of Space Wolf Upgrade sprues in Prophecy of the Wolf - nothing on the sprue is Phobos.

So it's confirmed the DW get new Stratagems, Combat Doctrines, Litanies of Battle and "abilities" in the next WD, according the preview in Warcom.

 Lord Perversor wrote:
So it's confirmed the DW get new Stratagems, Combat Doctrines, Litanies of Battle and "abilities" in the next WD, according the preview in Warcom.

Wow, I even opened that article to see if any DW was in there....scanned, and went, nope.

Totally missed the little "btw" piece, it's almost like they're not trying at all, lol.

However, glad to see it's coming soon, I really hope it's worth it.

the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, I just hope GW doesn't get lazy and neglect to give DW the new phobos stuff. Because, if there is any chapter where that stuff actually seems to fit outside of RG, it's Deathwatch.

That's exactly what I was saying a few pages ago

Lord Perversor wrote:So it's confirmed the DW get new Stratagems, Combat Doctrines, Litanies of Battle and "abilities" in the next WD, according the preview in Warcom.

"Abilities" may be some sort of "Doctrines", but no Idea what that could be.
Additional AP against the selected battlefield role in the context of mission tactics seems fitting. On the other hand it appears kinda uninspired.

Pyrosphere wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, I just hope GW doesn't get lazy and neglect to give DW the new phobos stuff. Because, if there is any chapter where that stuff actually seems to fit outside of RG, it's Deathwatch.

That's exactly what I was saying a few pages ago

Lord Perversor wrote:So it's confirmed the DW get new Stratagems, Combat Doctrines, Litanies of Battle and "abilities" in the next WD, according the preview in Warcom.

"Abilities" may be some sort of "Doctrines", but no Idea what that could be.
Additional AP against the selected battlefield role in the context of mission tactics seems fitting. On the other hand it appears kinda uninspired.

In the Table of Contents, it specifically says Doctrines.

What it does seem to indicate though, is no Phobos inclusion. The total page count is roughly 6, so Intro (1), datasheet for Chaplain, Primaris Chaplain, and Chaplain in terminator armour (1.5), strats (1), doctrines (1) and litanies (1). Might be able to share some of the page space with 1 of the chaplains or doctrines, but need some room for pictures too. Definitely not getting any Lore associated fluff for PA.


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Although I guess talk of Deathwatch and Harlequins (outside of Stern's companion) and no longer on topic for this thread.....which is a real shame.

 bullyboy wrote:

 Lord Perversor wrote:
So it's confirmed the DW get new Stratagems, Combat Doctrines, Litanies of Battle and "abilities" in the next WD, according the preview in Warcom.

Wow, I even opened that article to see if any DW was in there....scanned, and went, nope.

Totally missed the little "btw" piece, it's almost like they're not trying at all, lol.

However, glad to see it's coming soon, I really hope it's worth it.

I did a double take when I saw it, thinking it might have been a picture of the new Harlequins character fighting alongside harlequins...

....nope, it was Eldrad, they re-used a picture from Death Masque in 7th ed, AKA the last time the harlequins got any real attention whatsoever, and the only new miniature they could scrounge up for them was an HQ for a different faction....lol.

Wow, I guess we can't expect much for Deathwatch then. I'm just glad I didn't pick up killer clowns from outer space.

Hmm. So Deathwatch were presumably never getting a proper Psychic Awakening book. Bit of a plot twist.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Hmm. So Deathwatch were presumably never getting a proper Psychic Awakening book. Bit of a plot twist.

Does it count as a plot twist today when it was confirmed on Saturday's preview livestream? Same goes for the Harlequins, as far as we're aware.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Hmm. So Deathwatch were presumably never getting a proper Psychic Awakening book. Bit of a plot twist.

We'll probably never know for certain, but looks that way now, something 3-4 months ago caused them to make the change.

If Deathwatch don't at least get a new psychic discipline, I'm convinced that they'll end up a supplement the next time a new edition comes around. Deathwatch psykers are supposed to be really defensive, and having mortal wound protection through them would be helpful for the psyker hole that doctrines will bring.

We can be certain that doctrines won't be enough to fill the anti-tank hole that soup fills, but hopefully we'll get something unique beyond a single uninspired litany and an unhelpful superdoctrine.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Hmm. So Deathwatch were presumably never getting a proper Psychic Awakening book. Bit of a plot twist.

Does it count as a plot twist today when it was confirmed on Saturday's preview livestream? Same goes for the Harlequins, as far as we're aware.

It wouldn't have been out of the realms of possibility that Deathwatch and Harlequins were originally intended to be in a proper book, but got pushed to White Dwarf for reasons unknown (global pandemic might do it...) given the timing of the anouncement on Saturday.

If they're in next month's White Dwarf though, that means that the decision was taken at least four months ago.

It then becomes somewhat curious that GW would imply for so long that they were getting a book (they were part of the original anouncement for the Psychic Awakening series).

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Hmm. So Deathwatch were presumably never getting a proper Psychic Awakening book. Bit of a plot twist.

Does it count as a plot twist today when it was confirmed on Saturday's preview livestream? Same goes for the Harlequins, as far as we're aware.

It wouldn't have been out of the realms of possibility that Deathwatch and Harlequins were originally intended to be in a proper book, but got pushed to White Dwarf for reasons unknown (global pandemic might do it...) given the timing of the anouncement on Saturday.

If they're in next month's White Dwarf though, that means that the decision was taken at least four months ago.

It then becomes somewhat curious that GW would imply for so long that they were getting a book (they were part of the original anouncement for the Psychic Awakening series).

especially when you see that Knights, Custodes, Assassins and Fabius Bile are getting entries in PA.....really dumbfounded actually.

Deathwatch suffer from extremely limited HQ choices as well which is obnoxious. In the one army I don't want to use a bunch of HQs I have to in order to take more troops.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Deathwatch suffer from extremely limited HQ choices as well which is obnoxious. In the one army I don't want to use a bunch of HQs I have to in order to take more troops.

Never had an issue with DW characters personally. Watch Master, Libby, 2 Captains for dual battalion.

The thing I like the most about the Deathwatch HQ section is that you can have a Chapter Master equivalent without spending a CP. Power armor guys with 2+ saves used to be more common back in the day.

Man, all I want is a Vanguard kill-team with Incursors, Infiltrators and a Suppressor....with a new Primaris Blackstar equivalent dropship, with all the dakka. Keep the sleek lines of the Corvus (none of this other primaris face-only-a-mother-could-love vehicles), but add in some sleek rules to make the flyer actually playable.

One can dream.

 cuda1179 wrote:
The thing I like the most about the Deathwatch HQ section is that you can have a Chapter Master equivalent without spending a CP. Power armor guys with 2+ saves used to be more common back in the day.

They can't keep up with anything close to mobile though is an issue though.

 bullyboy wrote:
Man, all I want is a Vanguard kill-team with Incursors, Infiltrators and a Suppressor....with a new Primaris Blackstar equivalent dropship, with all the dakka. Keep the sleek lines of the Corvus (none of this other primaris face-only-a-mother-could-love vehicles), but add in some sleek rules to make the flyer actually playable.

One can dream.

This, but also rules for Deathwatch Vanguard Killteams in Killteam. Make the decent enough models a threat with special issue ammunition.

I want basic Scouts available to Deathwatch. We know they use scout armor for different missions so it's stupid it hasn't happened yet.

Thanks for changing the title so we can still talk about Deathwatch and Harlies.......who would have been the real stars of Pariah!

 Apple Peel wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Man, all I want is a Vanguard kill-team with Incursors, Infiltrators and a Suppressor....with a new Primaris Blackstar equivalent dropship, with all the dakka. Keep the sleek lines of the Corvus (none of this other primaris face-only-a-mother-could-love vehicles), but add in some sleek rules to make the flyer actually playable.

One can dream.

This, but also rules for Deathwatch Vanguard Killteams in Killteam. Make the decent enough models a threat with special issue ammunition.

And this right here is why it's not happening.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Man, all I want is a Vanguard kill-team with Incursors, Infiltrators and a Suppressor....with a new Primaris Blackstar equivalent dropship, with all the dakka. Keep the sleek lines of the Corvus (none of this other primaris face-only-a-mother-could-love vehicles), but add in some sleek rules to make the flyer actually playable.

One can dream.

This, but also rules for Deathwatch Vanguard Killteams in Killteam. Make the decent enough models a threat with special issue ammunition.

And this right here is why it's not happening.

That makes zero sense. They don't have any AP currently, unlike Intercessor bolt rifles, so SIA would hardly make them OP, lol.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Man, all I want is a Vanguard kill-team with Incursors, Infiltrators and a Suppressor....with a new Primaris Blackstar equivalent dropship, with all the dakka. Keep the sleek lines of the Corvus (none of this other primaris face-only-a-mother-could-love vehicles), but add in some sleek rules to make the flyer actually playable.

One can dream.

This, but also rules for Deathwatch Vanguard Killteams in Killteam. Make the decent enough models a threat with special issue ammunition.

And this right here is why it's not happening.

Yeah I'm not seeing how SIA which somehow did not make Reivers broken would somehow make Infiltrators or...infestors broken?

I must have missed Reivers having Omni-Scramblers, Marksman Bolt Carbines, Smoke Grenades, Infiltrator Comms-Arrays? Must have missed them having Occulus Bolt Carbines and Haywire Mines as well!

But I really must have missed them being a Troops option instead of an Elite?

 Kanluwen wrote:
I must have missed Reivers having Omni-Scramblers, Marksman Bolt Carbines, Smoke Grenades, Infiltrator Comms-Arrays? Must have missed them having Occulus Bolt Carbines and Haywire Mines as well!

But I really must have missed them being a Troops option instead of an Elite?

Reivers in Fortis Kill Team are Troops. So yes, you did miss it.


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the_scotsman wrote:

Yeah I'm not seeing how SIA which somehow did not make Reivers broken would somehow make Infiltrators or...infestors broken?

It wouldnt, but even if GW thought it did there are multiple precedents for specific bolter weapons not getting SIA.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I must have missed Reivers having Omni-Scramblers, Marksman Bolt Carbines, Smoke Grenades, Infiltrator Comms-Arrays? Must have missed them having Occulus Bolt Carbines and Haywire Mines as well!

But I really must have missed them being a Troops option instead of an Elite?

Reivers in Fortis Kill Team are Troops. So yes, you did miss it.

So one out of how many things I listed there?

I get that you want it, but why should you get it? What's the big deal with letting it remain a non-Deathwatch thing?

 Kanluwen wrote:

So one out of how many things I listed there?

I get that you want it, but why should you get it? What's the big deal with letting it remain a non-Deathwatch thing?

Why shouldnt they get them? Especially when every other Marine army, you know the components that the Deathwatch are literally made from, has them?

The fact that you dont comprehend why leaving an army with gaping holes in their roster is a bad thing speaks volumes.