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 Overread wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


With no strictly standardised spelling, it’s entirely possible a single person might spell their name different ways on different days.

My mother does this all the time. Her first name might start with a C on some days and a K on others. Both are legitimate spellings and she flicks between them.

I'm sure in an earlier age others did the same.

My brother in law did similar as a teenager, switching between a V and PH at whim.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Interesting conspiracies....hmmm. I'm pretty sure we've all heard of the conspiracy about hitler not committing suicide but ending up in a latin American colony for the rest of his life. I've heard people legit believe in that one.

While it is rather silly now, at the time it wasn't really all that crazy. Lots of Nazi big wigs did indeed flee to south america, those who weren't immediately rounded up for Nuremberg anyway. The Soviets were the ones who captured the area around the bunker and they weren't exactly open and forthright with information. It wasn't really inconceivable that Hitler could have faked his death and escaped. There were actually plans in place for him to escape, he simply chose not to use them and offed himself. Which is just enough fodder for people to maybe consider if he actually did.

So its a conspiracy theory now, but its rooted in the post-ww2 murkiness that shrouded the actual events that took place then. Information that never came to light till after the Soviet Union collapsed was the missing half of the equation.

True but there were far too many people wanting Hitler dead. I mean where would he have gone. One of the most notorious dudes of the time somehow manages to hide from the world in south America without someone finding out and getting a bounty on his head. Yeah I don't think so. He probably weighed the options and realized they were bleak and there was no point to continue. He was too well known to just hide so easily.

Not gonna lie though there were some post-war Nazis that took on a fake identity with some even hiding in the usa. I even think I knew a guy whose grandparents never shared their lineage and I saw his last name looked german or similar and I guessed his grandparents may have been Nazis. He said it's possible but he doesn't know. The guy in question was nice and I don't think he was mixed up in anything. Whether his grandparents did something or not it's clear it was never brought up again. At least it didn't make it's way down to the kids and grandkids far as I know.

Argentina actually has a surprisingly large German minority population today and at the time of WW2. Even a couple of towns that are almost completely ethnic Germans.

It was also a pre-internet timeframe. Information was slow to get around. And really, if you shave the mustache and do a different haitcut Hitler could have easily been overlooked. That is basically his only defining feature, and we are only intimately familiar with his face because it gets thrown around in pop culture as the literal face of evil. At the time, that wasn't the case.

Seriously, google "Hitler without a Mustache" and show the pictures to someone with no context. They'll probably find it difficult to identify who it is.

There are also quite a lot of Brazilians with German grandparents or great-grandparents (depending on their age).

With regards to Shakespeare's "impossible" skillset, I always find it baffling that people cannot seem to accept geniuses exist, when there are so many examples of them. Da Vinci, Archimedes, Newton, Homer (whose existence or at least literary talent is also being called into question). The list goes on.

Poly maths are definitely a thing

For me, the Shakespeare question is one more about historical accuracy, and academic integrity.

After all, there are many, many famous writers, artists and sculptors. Their original works now considered more or less priceless. So the Shakespeare debate is an accessible way to show Us Plebs exactly why works can be attributed with pretty decent accuracy.

In the art world (and hey, here I go simplifying, again) it’s stuff like the brush strokes, patina and chemical make up of the paints. Whilst not always definitive for finding a genuine work, I understand they’re accurate enough to spot a fake.

I’m sure some take it too far, because that’s just human nature. But it’s an interesting case study for the wider world of authentication


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 Gitzbitah wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Eh. I always thought the Shakespeare conspiracies showed all the worst kinds of conspiracy thinking.

That it's impossible for the plays to have been written by a guy we don't know much about. They had to have been written by someone MORE FAMOUS and better catalogued in the historical record. See 1,957 Jack the Ripper theories. And how many serial killers end up being already famous or prominent individuals?

Goes back to humanity's desire for structure/sense/shortcuts/easy solutions IMO. Hell, look at C-3PO, LOL.

Depends where one goes with it. There are reasonable arguments the portfolio isn’t the work of one man.

The whacko stuff comes in that already well known people did it. The simple question there being ‘but why wouldn’t they take the credit? None of it was exactly seditious or likely to upset Queen Elizabeth?

The comedies and tragedies were fairly innocuous, true.
I believe the issue was that some of the history plays did exactly that. Richard II is the most notorious- but even Caesar, which we teach in high school, has monarchs being betrayed and murdered.When the monarch in the play is a literal ruler of England, it becomes much more questionable. If the author was not a powerless playwright/actor/director but was in fact a high ranking government official, writing about high ranking officials overthrowing a corrupt ruler of England well, then it becomes about as innocent as Carol Baskins stating that to get a tiger to eat someone you'd have to cover them in sardine oil.
Here's some lovely context of Richard II, and it's possible ties to the Essex rebellion. It definitely fits a conspiracy theory mold.

https://slate.com/culture/2018/06/how-shakespeare-may-have-played-a-part-in-an-uprising-against-queen-elizabeth.html

I’ll read the article later, but I am aware that one of the possibly motivators for Richard III being a Hatchet Job was to suck up to Queenie

How accurate that is, I dunno! But I shall read on (McDuff*) and absorb the new info.



*Do You See What I Did There. Good, Innit?

Bran Dawri wrote:
There are also quite a lot of Brazilians with German grandparents or great-grandparents (depending on their age).

With regards to Shakespeare's "impossible" skillset, I always find it baffling that people cannot seem to accept geniuses exist, when there are so many examples of them. Da Vinci, Archimedes, Newton, Homer (whose existence or at least literary talent is also being called into question). The list goes on.

The difference between Shakespeare and Homer is that very, very few, if any, serious scholars doubt that Shakespeare wrote his canon (albeit with many works lifted from classical authors). The Iliad and the Odyssey, by contrast, are widely accepted by to be the result of long traditions of oral recitation and adaptation by many, many people - though there remains debate as to the degree to which the final documenter(s) formed the specific surviving versions. Very few people hold that they are original works by a single individual.

So what we had sofar.

- 9/11 inside job.

- Freemasonic swiss pharaos governing the world through bankingsector.

-Shakespears conspiracy.

- Phantom time

- Wonderdrug peddlers. (i'd like to put wealthgospel preachers and sects of the doomsday variation aswell as scientology there aswell.)

-Sandy hooks as a false flag for whatever reason

-Anti-Vaxxers.

-Holocaust deniers and all the following incessant nutjobbery.


Have i missed something?
Out of these i can personally deny the Freemasonic swiss pharaos lizard people There are other more funny things we did then this, like establishing an armory that is warcrime galore. Also alpine climate isn't that great for lizards.
Holocaust deniers, bcause go visit croatia and bosnia, theres still a KZ standing and that is just the one i visited. Furhter following the jews supposedly controlling the world government via swiss banking (comparatively swiss jews are working in what you'd call education and educated citizen jobs, aka Doctors, professors , relatively few are in the banking sector and even less have achieved a political position in the government. )
Wonderdrugs / snakesoil salesman/ Religious doomsday cults / Scientlogy.
Basically do what historians do, follow the money. And brush up on your basic knowledge on imune system. Not that difficult to do. Both ways lead to clear results against them.

Damn! Forgot to read up on the Pharoah Swiss Cheese thing!

Currently watching Pt2 of Wrestlemania. When that’s done, should be lunch break and I can dangle the carrot of knowledge down the rabbit hole, see what bites!

David Icke's been banned from YouTubing his dangerous 5G lies.

If you want a belly load of laughs read up on this guy. Former professional footballer who hasn't met a conspiracy theory that he wouldn't spaff all over. His GMTV interview from the 90s was a glorious train wreck. Oh, and the Queen's a lizard.

What about the moom landing? surely that mustve come up in here? or is that just old cheese, put to bed?

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
What about the moom landing? surely that mustve come up in here? or is that just old cheese, put to bed?

Forgot that one.

TBF, considering there are industries here not too far from me that work as precision part delivery for space programms and the fact that the ETH is attempting to clean up our satelite mess, like the stereotypical OCD swiss institution it is, i fail to see how the moonlanding could be fake, allbeit as mentioned it's quite possible that the pictures were crafted due to propaganda.

One only has to remember stalin picture with inner circle members that got purged and then suddendly disapeered from them.



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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Damn! Forgot to read up on the Pharoah Swiss Cheese thing!

Currently watching Pt2 of Wrestlemania. When that’s done, should be lunch break and I can dangle the carrot of knowledge down the rabbit hole, see what bites!

The swiss thing has had multiple "documentaries " on youtube by one chanel, allbeit most of it got deleted because it's blatant lies.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXDXT_cVn_PPnF9oRIiJpz_UFhZdoqS-h

For those that are interested in that particular branch off insanity. (ohh also forgot the fact that supposedly we also founded the legion etrangere? like yeah alot of these were swiss because france allways relied on swiss mercs to do their dirty work and others and it conveniently bypass swiss legislature due to offering citizenship for legionaires but founding it? )

 Henry wrote:
David Icke's been banned from YouTubing his dangerous 5G lies.

If you want a belly load of laughs read up on this guy. Former professional footballer who hasn't met a conspiracy theory that he wouldn't spaff all over. His GMTV interview from the 90s was a glorious train wreck. Oh, and the Queen's a lizard.

The scary thing is when you search for his, or other conspiracy videos, and read through the comments below them. That's the real danger. A single video series is nothing, but once its got a community behind it believing and spreading further confusion you can get a population. The problem with the net is that there are a lot of trolls. So you can get a conspiracy video going and you can bet some of the "Oh its true my mother also revealed she was a lizard this morning to me" replies are purely from trolls - but it feeds into that community that are believers.

Why do they favour such long, boring, dull intros with overly dramatic music?


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I’m sorry, I’m sorry.

I tried. That Pharoah video. I did, I really did. But I got as far as ‘holy stones, from Egypt, eh, eh, eh’ and I could feel parts of my brain, falling away like a wet cake.

Maybe once I’ve had a few beers tonight?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Why do they favour such long, boring, dull intros with overly dramatic music?

Because they took lessons in TV from America.

Seriously compare shows that get UK and US versions and there's a marked difference. Hell's Kitchen UK style is far more sedate whilst in the US versions almost every early scene is accompanied with heavily dramatic music - which doesn't go away until the happy "its all fixed" music comes in - unless the people reject it of course. It's all mood theory and such; the same reason that Hollywood is currently* obsessed with colourfilters to the point where some films look really daft - eg Twilight is BLUE.



*they've been used for years but I've noted a marked increase over the last 5-10 or so years in very heavy overt use rather than more subtle and sparring application


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Why do they favour such long, boring, dull intros with overly dramatic music?


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I’m sorry, I’m sorry.

I tried. That Pharoah video. I did, I really did. But I got as far as ‘holy stones, from Egypt, eh, eh, eh’ and I could feel parts of my brain, falling away like a wet cake.

Maybe once I’ve had a few beers tonight?

I recall one I saw a while back which harped on about interlinked religions and how it was all a conspiracy. Interestingly they made a huge deal about the date of Christmas - without even once acknowledging that the date has moved several times.

There's also aspects of monetisation as well, a video has to be a certain length and have a certain amount of watch time/interaction.

If you can click bait an audience in, then have them watch 10 minutes of drivel at least waiting for your 'knowledge' drop, you will earn more money basically.

It's way more complicated than that, and comments and likes also play a part, but the longer the video is, the more chance you will get comments etc as well.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Why do they favour such long, boring, dull intros with overly dramatic music?


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I’m sorry, I’m sorry.

I tried. That Pharoah video. I did, I really did. But I got as far as ‘holy stones, from Egypt, eh, eh, eh’ and I could feel parts of my brain, falling away like a wet cake.

Maybe once I’ve had a few beers tonight?

Don't bother, me and my mates attempted to watch some during a night of binge drinking, wasn't even funny when we probably were in dangerous blood alcohol level terrain.

TL: DR / TL: DW because

Swiss people are all of the following and the swiss state of course:

Nazi, SS, Demonologists, Bloodmoney bankers, Templars, Nazitemplars, Fascist state, Fascists, Childeaters, Satanists, Anti- BLM, Anti american (even though we literally are historically the Sister republic hence the similarity in the basc system off our state) , Rascist, founders and controllers of the KKK, demonically possessed shapeshifters, Anti-freespech, our space industry (focused on parts for satelites) is the all seeing eye and total observation state, Child abusers, Responsible for the MH17 incident, Pharonic lizard people, Killercop in saint louis was swiss suposedly, we killed Sisi the empress of A-H Monarchy not an italian anarchist,etc etc.

And that is by far not even all

So.....do you roll for your stats at birth, or get to choose them when you start school?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So.....do you roll for your stats at birth, or get to choose them when you start school?

Jokes aside, it probably would be a great basis for a completly fethed up RPG the likes of which would even put RaHoWa and FATAL too shame in how messed up it would be.

Now i kinda want to make one in the toungue in cheeck but darker munchkinstyle of this

How about something amusingly topical?

That's a good one.

 Henry wrote:
...hasn't met a conspiracy theory that he wouldn't spaff all over.

This was touched on earlier but this particular phenomenon is probably all the proof anyone would need that belief in conspiracy theories is not anything to do with "evidence" or "facts" (yes, those two words really do need the inverted commas in this context) and everything to do with some sort of character or personality type. It's always seemed weird to me that a very large number of people who believe in one conspiracy theory also believe in a whole host of completely unrelated ones too. One of the posters from earlier in this thread basically displayed the same sort of attitude.

Slipspace wrote:

 Henry wrote:
...hasn't met a conspiracy theory that he wouldn't spaff all over.

This was touched on earlier but this particular phenomenon is probably all the proof anyone would need that belief in conspiracy theories is not anything to do with "evidence" or "facts" (yes, those two words really do need the inverted commas in this context) and everything to do with some sort of character or personality type. It's always seemed weird to me that a very large number of people who believe in one conspiracy theory also believe in a whole host of completely unrelated ones too. One of the posters from earlier in this thread basically displayed the same sort of attitude.

I still think the issue lies within the educational system and the lack of actual political education (NOT INDOCTRINATION) in a sense of a baseline understanding of how a state governs, functions and in terms what the specific states points of existence are.

Ooh, I remember from the mid 00s, everyone went bananas for the Zeitgeist videos on YouTube. All the folk I worked with were "its so informative", "it's scary what they're hiding from us", "OMG, the conspiracy is real".

This wasn't just fringe stuff. A great deal of the people I worked with (engineers and highly skilled technicians - supposedly intelligent people) believed this stuff. It was mainstream. And just five minutes of thinking exposed it all as complete bollocks. The Zeitgeist hoax made me realise that it's not just the fringe and people with personality issues that were susceptible to this stuff.

 Henry wrote:
Ooh, I remember from the mid 00s, everyone went bananas for the Zeitgeist videos on YouTube. All the folk I worked with were "its so informative", "it's scary what they're hiding from us", "OMG, the conspiracy is real".

This wasn't just fringe stuff. A great deal of the people I worked with (engineers and highly skilled technicians - supposedly intelligent people) believed this stuff. It was mainstream. And just five minutes of thinking exposed it all as complete bollocks. The Zeitgeist hoax made me realise that it's not just the fringe and people with personality issues that were susceptible to this stuff.

Ahh that was the one I was thinking of where they went on and on about the inter-connectivity of important religious dates and Christmas.

 Overread wrote:
Ahh that was the one I was thinking of where they went on and on about the inter-connectivity of important religious dates and Christmas.

Yeah, that was what reminded me. This stuff was Fox News levels of fabricated rubbish, and it was lapped up by everyone.

Not Online!!! wrote:
So what we had sofar.

- 9/11 inside job.

- Freemasonic swiss pharaos governing the world through bankingsector.

-Shakespears conspiracy.

- Phantom time

- Wonderdrug peddlers. (i'd like to put wealthgospel preachers and sects of the doomsday variation aswell as scientology there aswell.)

-Sandy hooks as a false flag for whatever reason

-Anti-Vaxxers.

-Holocaust deniers and all the following incessant nutjobbery.


Have i missed something?
Out of these i can personally deny the Freemasonic swiss pharaos lizard people There are other more funny things we did then this, like establishing an armory that is warcrime galore. Also alpine climate isn't that great for lizards.
Holocaust deniers, bcause go visit croatia and bosnia, theres still a KZ standing and that is just the one i visited. Furhter following the jews supposedly controlling the world government via swiss banking (comparatively swiss jews are working in what you'd call education and educated citizen jobs, aka Doctors, professors , relatively few are in the banking sector and even less have achieved a political position in the government. )
Wonderdrugs / snakesoil salesman/ Religious doomsday cults / Scientlogy.
Basically do what historians do, follow the money. And brush up on your basic knowledge on imune system. Not that difficult to do. Both ways lead to clear results against them.

Alien pyramid builders were mentioned in passing a few times, but we're missing out on some classics though:

Rosswell
Illuminati
Elvis!
Chemtrails

Sadly, a conspiracy theory game already exists - by Steve Jackson of course:
http://www.sjgames.com/conspiracytheory/

There are also numerous conspiracy theories surrounding the UN and/or the EU. One particularly alarming one is that the UN and EU are trying to replace the indiginous European populace (boreal is a word often used as a euphemism for white in this context) with African, Middle Eastern and Asian people. We actually have someone in the Dutch parliament who believes this.

ahh the great replacement theory, yeah that one, that is only an issue though for nations that have an "Ethnic nationalism" over one that is "Civic" .

Then again both off these are iffy ideas.


Not to mention is hillariously uninformed about historic facts, like Roman empire especially legions beeing everything but homogenus in their decent. Or in the case of switzerland the helveti, which were not a tribe but a confederation with atleast one of the 5 tribes supposedly beeing germanic not celtic.

Or the fact that the Allemani didn't wipe out the gallo romanic population.... (or even were a homogenus tribe...)

Turns out dead people are not generating money and replacing is overly expensive....

Yeah, I meant alarming in that it plays neatly into extremist white supremacist ideology and is actually gaining poltical traction in some places, not in that it's in any way to be taken seriously as a theory.

All your secrets are belong to us! The truth shall be reviled!

Bran Dawri wrote:
Yeah, I meant alarming in that it plays neatly into extremist white supremacist ideology and is actually gaining poltical traction in some places, not in that it's in any way to be taken seriously as a theory.

TBF, i have a feeling alot of this comes down to the census of the states, which btw is hillariously lopsided. F.e. Caucasian? Really? Like yea i guess if you want to throw azerbajian, gerogia and consorts into 1 Pot. But also for germans, swedes, poles, russians, etc?

Funnily enough spain doesn't count into that category? Why? I thought that'd be a catch all term for whiteskinned non middle easterners?

etc etc.

It's also even funnier when you contrast it to some of the really homogenising cultural civic nationalisms, because about 30 % of swiss citizens got their passes and nationality through forced citizenship at the outbreak of WW1, predominantly germans and italians and french.

(no i not of these groups but also fall under innerswiss region, which basically is the stubborn bunch of not movers and grumble at anything outside of ones Kanton.)



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 Frazzled wrote:
All your secrets are belong to us! The truth shall be reviled!

No, au contraire, roll3 d100 for cirumference and 5 d100 for choosing your class

My college had an original copy of Robison's "Proofs of a Conspiracy" in their special collection. So I read it. It's pretty wild...considering it was this very fragile book written in the style of the day (and the long S takes some getting used to so that you aren't reading with some ridiculous lisp), it struck me how sensationalist it was. I mean, it was clearly a hit job. And it therefore felt kinda like a modern political bestseller serving up red meat to its prechosen audience.

I mean, 200+ years later and we're still talking about the Illuminati. It's kind of crazy.