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nfe wrote:
Yeah, the media is in on it assumes no journalist wants a Pulitzer. Like climate change is a hoax demands that no environmental scientist wants a Nobel.

Not to say that there aren't journalists and media outlets that are government/elite mouthpieces, or that there aren't scientists in the pay of interested parties, but everyone, all the time, for years/decades/centuries? Nah mate.

Worst bit for me about climate denial is that as far as I’m aware, the main dissent amongst the scientific community isn’t whether or not it’s actually happening, but the why, and the level man’s actions are impacting it.

My favourite counter argument? But what if we provide clean air and sustainability for nothing? Seriously. What’s the actual down side?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

nfe wrote:
Yeah, the media is in on it assumes no journalist wants a Pulitzer. Like climate change is a hoax demands that no environmental scientist wants a Nobel.

Not to say that there aren't journalists and media outlets that are government/elite mouthpieces, or that there aren't scientists in the pay of interested parties, but everyone, all the time, for years/decades/centuries? Nah mate.

Worst bit for me about climate denial is that as far as I’m aware, the main dissent amongst the scientific community isn’t whether or not it’s actually happening, but the why, and the level man’s actions are impacting it.

My favourite counter argument? But what if we provide clean air and sustainability for nothing? Seriously. What’s the actual down side?

See I can totally understand debate on the degree to which humanity does affect the climate and honestly I suspect we don't know the answer and might never know it for many more generations. The data processing for climate models is insanely huge and that's before you get to the fact that we've only direct recordings of climate going back a very short period in human history; let alone geological. So everything on ancient climates is always open to adjustment due to finding new proxy data; new types of proxies and new interpretations of existing proxy data.

That said I agree, and most do, that improving air, soil, water quality only leads to a net gain for us. I think that things such as heavy metals in the seas are something we've got our "heads in the sand on" as things that affect the population. Conspiracies that MMR jabs are giving people autism might be closer to the mark just finding the wrong cause - rising heavy metals; other pollutants could be far more critical aspects to any increase in medial problems we experience as a population. Heck I recall in Japan they were trying to dump excess dolphin meat into the school system until several officials sacrificed their jobs and came out about it because of the high heavy metal content in dolphin meat and the risk that it could cause when eaten (esp in more vulnerable youth).

That said when you look at many of the biggest and loudest opposition to climate change in the science world you notice that a lot of it is paid for by big firms. Big firms who would have big costs to be more environmentally friendly. Of course the biggest issue right now is the west is pushing for more environmentally friendly practice - which drives up cost. So companies simply jump ship to nations without those restrictions which promotes an even bigger rise in pollutants just in another part of the world.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

nfe wrote:
Yeah, the media is in on it assumes no journalist wants a Pulitzer. Like climate change is a hoax demands that no environmental scientist wants a Nobel.

Not to say that there aren't journalists and media outlets that are government/elite mouthpieces, or that there aren't scientists in the pay of interested parties, but everyone, all the time, for years/decades/centuries? Nah mate.

Worst bit for me about climate denial is that as far as I’m aware, the main dissent amongst the scientific community isn’t whether or not it’s actually happening, but the why, and the level man’s actions are impacting it.

My favourite counter argument? But what if we provide clean air and sustainability for nothing? Seriously. What’s the actual down side?

Economics.
Simple as.

Depending on the way we go, everything has an associatable cost. The question is and allways was are we willing to pay the bill of our decision. Respectively are we willing to pay the bill for the sins off our fathers or do we just kick the can further down?

That is a question defining living standards and livelyhoods. The worst part is, a turnaround now, will have immediate economic impact. (f.e. hgiher standards for industrial manufacturing increasing airquality but also production cost might very well kill off workplaces in a region entirely. there is a reason why the Rust belt votes as it does with alot of small to medium towns beeing dominated by single industrial manufacturing companies and places with the very real threat of just moving away.)

I think one bonus of the shutdown many nations are having right now is that there's quite a rapid display of recovery and reduction in pollutants in a way people can see and experience. One of the main issues with pushing for more environmentally friendly approaches has been that the benefits are often seen as "invisible" or as something that might not appear for generations. Ergo you take a big economic hit now, but the gains are not seen for generations.

Sometimes you need a big display of clean air around cities and such to actually push forward change. Much like how the banning of coal in the UK for fires in London totally removed the smog hazes that the city used to live with.

Something I admire about conspiracy theorists is how they insist on using ‘science’, collecting their own data to draw their own conclusions, instead of mindlessly accepting the given narrative.

To them you can’t trust data or anecdotes from other institutions or individuals, such as NASA’s results or the stories of ‘round the world’ sailors or pilots. It’s a really interesting mindset to rely on only information you can gather yourself, and I suppose it plays a little into Descartes.

I do have a suspicion that many flat earthers are in fact playing devil’s advocate to make us question what we choose to take for granted, and also our own limits in knowledge of reality.

No, they're just morons.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I do like a Toblerone though.

I'm a big toblergate truther conspiracy theorist myself.

THEY INCREASED THE AIR BETWEEN THE MOUNTAINS I TELL YA. JET FUEL CANT MELT MOUNTAINTOPS.


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nareik wrote:
Something I admire about conspiracy theorists is how they insist on using ‘science’, collecting their own data to draw their own conclusions, instead of mindlessly accepting the given narrative.

To them you can’t trust data or anecdotes from other institutions or individuals, such as NASA’s results or the stories of ‘round the world’ sailors or pilots. It’s a really interesting mindset to rely on only information you can gather yourself, and I suppose it plays a little into Descartes.

I do have a suspicion that many flat earthers are in fact playing devil’s advocate to make us question what we choose to take for granted, and also our own limits in knowledge of reality.

Another fun fact from my work:

I have a lot of random citizens asking me for my recommendations on how best to disinfect cloth masks, and asking me for MY opinion when I send them CDC guidance, which is to launder them.

One person told me that a lot of folks were "just accepting the generic CDC advice."

They'd rather receive advice from me, a single guy with a masters in mechanical engineering who works for a company that makes steam sterilizers, than the entire motherflipping Centers For Disease Control.

the_scotsman wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I do like a Toblerone though.

I'm a big toblergate truther conspiracy theorist myself.

THEY INCREASED THE AIR BETWEEN THE MOUNTAINS I TELL YA. JET FUEL CANT MELT MOUNTAINTOPS.

HOW DARE THOU, I may be a satanist but i'd never ever, increase the gaps between toblerone mountains !

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nareik wrote:
Something I admire about conspiracy theorists is how they insist on using ‘science’, collecting their own data to draw their own conclusions, instead of mindlessly accepting the given narrative.

To them you can’t trust data or anecdotes from other institutions or individuals, such as NASA’s results or the stories of ‘round the world’ sailors or pilots. It’s a really interesting mindset to rely on only information you can gather yourself, and I suppose it plays a little into Descartes.

I do have a suspicion that many flat earthers are in fact playing devil’s advocate to make us question what we choose to take for granted, and also our own limits in knowledge of reality.

Another fun fact from my work:

I have a lot of random citizens asking me for my recommendations on how best to disinfect cloth masks, and asking me for MY opinion when I send them CDC guidance, which is to launder them.

One person told me that a lot of folks were "just accepting the generic CDC advice."

They'd rather receive advice from me, a single guy with a masters in mechanical engineering who works for a company that makes steam sterilizers, than the entire motherflipping Centers For Disease Control.

Why 'd they want your opinion on that matter?
That's like if I ask as a plumber the gardener about planning a hydroelectricity damn?

People are personable and trust their close allies rather than distant, impersonable organisations of unknown motivations.

It makes sense to seek advice from someone they know they can trust than an alien organisation. It’s like how facebook mums ask each other for advice to fact check medical recommendations.

You should be flattered they regard you so highly as to implicitly trust you on such important matters. You’re their peer review group for cdc advice.

Also a lot of people ask what seem like stupid questions to give them confidence and to reinforce that their interpretation is correct.


It's just like how a supermarket can have dozens of 50% off banners and yet people will still ask "this is 50% off right?". For many its simply a "doublecheck". Often when a situation is new/different from the normal to them. Remembering that a lot of people run in a sort of auto-pilot a lot of the time and have preconceptions on how things they plan out will happen. So things that change it up start to make them a touch unsure and want to confirm with others.


It's probably linked to some herd thinking/community/group theory or somesuch.

nareik wrote:
Something I admire about conspiracy theorists is how they insist on using ‘science’, collecting their own data to draw their own conclusions, instead of mindlessly accepting the given narrative.

To them you can’t trust data or anecdotes from other institutions or individuals, such as NASA’s results or the stories of ‘round the world’ sailors or pilots. It’s a really interesting mindset to rely on only information you can gather yourself, and I suppose it plays a little into Descartes.

I do have a suspicion that many flat earthers are in fact playing devil’s advocate to make us question what we choose to take for granted, and also our own limits in knowledge of reality.

That would be admirable if it were actually the case. I think that's giving your average conspiracy theorist entirely too much credit. The problem is in a lot of cases what they actually do is ignore facts and evidence that contradicts their own while they're "gathering data". They'll also automatically reject any data from any authority purely because of where it comes from, which is dumb for a number of reasons. The main problem, though, is that the overwhelming majority (I'd hazard a guess and say 100%) are utterly ill-equipped to properly analyse the data they're gathering, even assuming they're not just horrifically biased towards their pre-supposed conclusion.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

nfe wrote:
Yeah, the media is in on it assumes no journalist wants a Pulitzer. Like climate change is a hoax demands that no environmental scientist wants a Nobel.

Not to say that there aren't journalists and media outlets that are government/elite mouthpieces, or that there aren't scientists in the pay of interested parties, but everyone, all the time, for years/decades/centuries? Nah mate.

Worst bit for me about climate denial is that as far as I’m aware, the main dissent amongst the scientific community isn’t whether or not it’s actually happening, but the why, and the level man’s actions are impacting it.

My favourite counter argument? But what if we provide clean air and sustainability for nothing? Seriously. What’s the actual down side?

Er, what? That counter argument comes from companies that will have monetary costs to switch, or industries that won't exist anymore if a switch happens. The down side for them is obvious.

There are a lot of good and necessary reasons to become more sustainable, but it will cost money, time and jobs to do it. They're not resisting a changeover solely because they're jerks for no reason. (though many of the big execs at those companies are also jerks)

 Overread wrote:
Also a lot of people ask what seem like stupid questions to give them confidence and to reinforce that their interpretation is correct.


It's just like how a supermarket can have dozens of 50% off banners and yet people will still ask "this is 50% off right?". For many its simply a "doublecheck". Often when a situation is new/different from the normal to them. Remembering that a lot of people run in a sort of auto-pilot a lot of the time and have preconceptions on how things they plan out will happen. So things that change it up start to make them a touch unsure and want to confirm with others.


It's probably linked to some herd thinking/community/group theory or somesuch.

my favourite one is when people ask you if the train is going to such and such a destination, once theyre already on, and the doors have closed...

 insaniak wrote:
The problem is that such a large chunk of the media has spent the last several decades showing themselves to not be entirely trustworthy through both sloppy and deliberately misleading reporting in order to sell headlines, leading to a general mistrust. When people are already looking at the news through a skeptical lens, some nut coming along and screaming 'The media are lying to you!' on a given subject is easier to believe.

YES.

Slipspace wrote:

nareik wrote:
Something I admire about conspiracy theorists is how they insist on using ‘science’, collecting their own data to draw their own conclusions, instead of mindlessly accepting the given narrative.

To them you can’t trust data or anecdotes from other institutions or individuals, such as NASA’s results or the stories of ‘round the world’ sailors or pilots. It’s a really interesting mindset to rely on only information you can gather yourself, and I suppose it plays a little into Descartes.

I do have a suspicion that many flat earthers are in fact playing devil’s advocate to make us question what we choose to take for granted, and also our own limits in knowledge of reality.

That would be admirable if it were actually the case. I think that's giving your average conspiracy theorist entirely too much credit. The problem is in a lot of cases what they actually do is ignore facts and evidence that contradicts their own while they're "gathering data". They'll also automatically reject any data from any authority purely because of where it comes from, which is dumb for a number of reasons. The main problem, though, is that the overwhelming majority (I'd hazard a guess and say 100%) are utterly ill-equipped to properly analyse the data they're gathering, even assuming they're not just horrifically biased towards their pre-supposed conclusion.

I think the 'behind the curve' documentary was already mentioned, but it destroys the devil's advocate argument.

They preform tests themselves that prove the world is round (in their understanding of what it would require in evidence, its simple but works) and are in complete denial about the results. They blame it on faulty equipment and such. Plus the infighting is insane, any hint of them suspecting you to be a 'plant' and here comes the hate train. So these people accidentally prove the world is round, can't accept it and yet still get attacked for being CIA/NASA etc. agents by the others.

The only thing that I really came away with is that Flat Earthers are lonely or sad people and Flat Earth actually gives them a community to belong too. It seems to be driven as more of a social support group and it gets viciously defended because disproving it means the end of the group they belong too. Its companionship dogma.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Also a lot of people ask what seem like stupid questions to give them confidence and to reinforce that their interpretation is correct.


It's just like how a supermarket can have dozens of 50% off banners and yet people will still ask "this is 50% off right?". For many its simply a "doublecheck". Often when a situation is new/different from the normal to them. Remembering that a lot of people run in a sort of auto-pilot a lot of the time and have preconceptions on how things they plan out will happen. So things that change it up start to make them a touch unsure and want to confirm with others.


It's probably linked to some herd thinking/community/group theory or somesuch.

my favourite one is when people ask you if the train is going to such and such a destination, once theyre already on, and the doors have closed...

I've done that more than once - often when you just get to the station in time to make the train* and when there's no on on-route to check. Sometimes its just good to hear the double-check so you can flop into a chair (if there is one); other times its making darn sure in those last few moments before the doors lock fully shut. Or at least to then be aware to either replan the route/pester the guard (who might be at the other end of the train etc...

That said at least the train network puts big signs up regularly on the platforms so you know where you are. Busses are heckconfusing because they don't and they stop at more places than the rout suggests; or miss out places on the route if there's no one standing there and no one presses the buzzer. So you can't even stop count to find out where you are

*sometimes because your connecting train just got in moments before and you had 10 platforms to rush through to make it to your connecting train

Slipspace wrote:

 Matt Swain wrote:

Spoiler:

Ok, let's take a look at conspiracy theories and why people fall for them in scientific and evolutionary terms.

First we hop in the TARDIS, or step thru the time tunnel, or just fly close to the sun at warp 8, whichever time travel method you prefer.

We look at the origins of humanity, and our pre human hominid ancestors who had to survive in a sticks and stones era world.

Each has brains wired a little differently due to Genetic variance.

So you've got the little hominid the rest may call names like chicken charlie or jumpy jerry. He hears a rustle in the grass near him. He shrieks and jumps for his life. A couple seconds later a rabbit or possum comes out of the grass. (We're talking like 3-4' high grass here, fellas.)

His buddies laugh at him. He's alive, tho, he's still in the gene pool.

Now we have the guy they call fearless fodsick. (Look it up) He ain't afraid o' nuffin'! Everyone thinks he's so brave and tough. Grass rustles near him. He ignores it, probably just a rabbit.

A tiger jumps out of the grass and eats him. He's not in the genepool anymore. Chicken charlie is.

There are very sound reasons why being fearful, seeing danger where there is none, jumping at shadows,etc are positive survival traits especially in our pre-human hominid ancestors, and being positive survival traits they get reinforced in their DNA and are passed up the evolutionary ladder to what would later call itself the human race.

So, yeah, some people see dangerous things, like conspiracies, even where there's nothing there. It's an ancient survival trait that got hardcoded into our DNA thanks to evolution.

I know conspiracy nuts may be annoying, irritating, occasionally amusing and at times dangerous if organized and lead by a bad guy, but when you shine the clear light of science and reasoinl on them, you can see them for what they really are, just products of the same evolutionary process that created you and I.

See, I think that's giving your average conspiracy theorist far too much credit, not to mention being a gross oversimplification of how evolution works. Trying to paint this as some sort of evolutionary quirk ignores the much more likely possibility that most beliefs in conspiracy theories are rooted in narcissism. The idea you're special and different because you know something the sheeple don't seems to be at the heart of most conspiracy beliefs and I think it's a huge stretch to claim that's just an over-active survival instinct.

Well, it's a simplification of evolution, yes, but I can't say it's a gross simplification. The bare essence of evolution is if a random genetic quirk has a positive survival value it tends to stay in a population and get reinforced over time. When you're a 4' tall primate who just came down from the trees and evolved upright posture (Another act of evolution) you're slower, smaller and weaker than a lot of the predators roaming the grasslands. Being fearful and assuming all unknown sounds are dangers is a survival plus for you.

It's not the only reason we have conspiracy theory nuts, of course, it's just part of it,

Narcissism has its role to play. But like I said in my earlier post, all human beings tend to be attracted to dramatic narratives, and conspiracy theories provide those. There's lots of work in the field of rhetoric involving dramatism and narrative theory. And those of us in the field of advertising use that gak all the time to persuade people. It scratches an itch that all human beings have, not just the narcissists.

Just been watching some David Ickes ( as mentioned on here) quite hilarious stuff at times . Reading through the comments on his latest video was quite worrying though , always thought conspiracy theorists where quite amusing/ annoying but some of the stuff in there is pretty scary , glad these guys can’t get guns (over here at least)


Bellow is a "conspiracy theory" (i think?) thats popped up on my facebook , honestly i think a lot of them are just thick as pig muck and being "in the know" and not a "sheeple" makes them feel clever

Are you awake yet?

Megan and Harry leave royal family.

Prince Andrew is a convicted pedophile and was close with Jeffrey Epstein.

Research Epstein Island if you have a strong stomach.

Wiki leaks exposed Clinton and she deletes 340,000 emails.. Trump gets elected.

Harvey Weinstein, Hollywood’s biggest germ was arrested 3 weeks ago.. all of a sudden he got the virus?

Prince Charles & now the Queen have the “virus”, the queen fled the palace to isolate weeks ago...

All of your Hollywood favourites have the virus. Adrenochrome is your topic here.

Bill gates is pushing vaccines and he owns 15% of the WHO, which are owned by George Soros and the Rockerfellers. Don’t know them? Research them.

Google is currently uncensored and you can access this information.

Whilst you’re there, google “Adrenochrome” and start to follow the trail.

An Adrenochrome batch was made in Wuhan... how fitting....

US deployed 30,000 troops to Europe. “Oh yeh it’s for training”. Without masks or any hand sanitizer.

600 Mexican drug cartels were arrested, one of the biggest busts by the U.S... why didn’t we hear about that?

298 Saudi’s royals, lawyers and judges were arrested for corruption

3 Chinese including 1 Harvard professor were arrested by the U.S attorney for economic espionage 5 weeks ago.

Today Trump crashed the Fed bank, they bought all of the gold and now hold the keys to creating a gold back currency, removing the fiat. There is no fed banking anymore (privately owned), The fed and treasury were basically merged meaning that Trump is now the Chairman for global banking system with the people’s money. Not the rothschilds, Rockerfellers, Soros, Goldman the list goes on.

For this to be possible, the economy must be crashed. All corrupt coin needs to be drained. A 14-28 day lock down is the best way to do this and even better to distribute the money to people on government grants, pay refunds for businesses and ato offsets.

Believe what you want. But open your eyes beyond the virus.

Some of the worlds most powerful CEO’s have stood down.. why? This was before the crash mind you.

Multiple arrests have been made for child trafficking, human trafficking and sex abuse.. but the media is not telling you that.

What you are seeing is a war. An invisible war that Trump keeps taking about.

It’s a war between Trump and his SS against the elites, bankers and mainstream media.

Pay attention to the bigger picture. Trump has arrested and caught more pedophile and child trafficking rings in the world... but I bet you didn’t know that because the mainstream (George Soros funded media, global elite owned) make out that he’s a moron.

Trump will go down in history in the coming weeks. There is no need to panic or have fear. This whole thing is working out as it needs to for Trump and his team to remove the corruption and power that has taxed your hard earned dollar, loaded your loans and credit cards with interest and pulled wool over your eyes.

You’re going to see some big names get called out, to the point where you won’t want to believe it.

If you still believe that 9/11 was a terrorist attack from Osama Bin Ladin who trained donkeys to fly cessnas, which then magically upskilled into Boeing’s and flew aluminium planes into 580m steel reinforced towers that collapsed like a deck of cards, not to mention tower 7 which was a block away but folded. (Let’s not forget the 6 seals who took Osama down that were killed in a mysterious chopper crash. RIP fellas).... you’re in for a wake up call.

This week, The big banks will go bankrupt, they are already on their knees, Income tax will go away and the elites will no longer rule you or the world.

popped up on my facebook

*reads posts*

Checks out sir

As an aside, I am kind of amazed that Facebook, such a terrible platform for anything longer than a dozen or so words, is such a damn hot bed. Probably helps actually now that I think of it. I needed a few hours and a couple hundred words to make one comment about one project about WTC 7 that is barely readable in DakkaDakka's format imo. It's probably near impossible to coherent battle conspiracy theories on a place like Facebook relative to how easily conspiracy theories can be summed up.

There were a whole bunch of people commenting with clappy hands and “truth” ... I can’t even tell what it means :p

Mind you it did take me six try’s to type “there” just now, so I’m probably not intelligent enough

dalezzz wrote:
Just been watching some David Ickes ( as mentioned on here) quite hilarious stuff at times . Reading through the comments on his latest video was quite worrying though , always thought conspiracy theorists where quite amusing/ annoying but some of the stuff in there is pretty scary , glad these guys can’t get guns (over here at least)


Bellow is a "conspiracy theory" (i think?) thats popped up on my facebook , honestly i think a lot of them are just thick as pig muck and being "in the know" and not a "sheeple" makes them feel clever

Are you awake yet?

Megan and Harry leave royal family.

Prince Andrew is a convicted pedophile and was close with Jeffrey Epstein.

Research Epstein Island if you have a strong stomach.

I mean Epstein was iffy, but waiting for the trial propper would be quite a bit more enlightening no?

Wiki leaks exposed Clinton and she deletes 340,000 emails.. Trump gets elected.

Harvey Weinstein, Hollywood’s biggest germ was arrested 3 weeks ago.. all of a sudden he got the virus?

Prince Charles & now the Queen have the “virus”, the queen fled the palace to isolate weeks ago...

All of your Hollywood favourites have the virus. Adrenochrome is your topic here.

Isn't that the whole Biological warfare explanation going around for the whole Wuhan thing?

Bill gates is pushing vaccines and he owns 15% of the WHO, which are owned by George Soros and the Rockerfellers. Don’t know them? Research them.

I mean the whole Soros shtick really?

Google is currently uncensored and you can access this information.

Whilst you’re there, google “Adrenochrome” and start to follow the trail.

An Adrenochrome batch was made in Wuhan... how fitting....

US deployed 30,000 troops to Europe. “Oh yeh it’s for training”. Without masks or any hand sanitizer.

600 Mexican drug cartels were arrested, one of the biggest busts by the U.S... why didn’t we hear about that?

298 Saudi’s royals, lawyers and judges were arrested for corruption

3 Chinese including 1 Harvard professor were arrested by the U.S attorney for economic espionage 5 weeks ago.

Today Trump crashed the Fed bank, they bought all of the gold and now hold the keys to creating a gold back currency, removing the fiat. There is no fed banking anymore (privately owned), The fed and treasury were basically merged meaning that Trump is now the Chairman for global banking system with the people’s money. Not the rothschilds, Rockerfellers, Soros, Goldman the list goes on.

For this to be possible, the economy must be crashed. All corrupt coin needs to be drained. A 14-28 day lock down is the best way to do this and even better to distribute the money to people on government grants, pay refunds for businesses and ato offsets.

Believe what you want. But open your eyes beyond the virus.

Some of the worlds most powerful CEO’s have stood down.. why? This was before the crash mind you.

Multiple arrests have been made for child trafficking, human trafficking and sex abuse.. but the media is not telling you that.

What you are seeing is a war. An invisible war that Trump keeps taking about.

It’s a war between Trump and his SS against the elites, bankers and mainstream media.

Pay attention to the bigger picture. Trump has arrested and caught more pedophile and child trafficking rings in the world... but I bet you didn’t know that because the mainstream (George Soros funded media, global elite owned) make out that he’s a moron.

I doubt that he alone is responsible for the whole catch, and considering what limited things i know about law enforcement but such huge operations take time? (considering the whole thing started 2005 allready?)

Trump will go down in history in the coming weeks. There is no need to panic or have fear. This whole thing is working out as it needs to for Trump and his team to remove the corruption and power that has taxed your hard earned dollar, loaded your loans and credit cards with interest and pulled wool over your eyes.

You’re going to see some big names get called out, to the point where you won’t want to believe it.

If you still believe that 9/11 was a terrorist attack from Osama Bin Ladin who trained donkeys to fly cessnas, which then magically upskilled into Boeing’s and flew aluminium planes into 580m steel reinforced towers that collapsed like a deck of cards, not to mention tower 7 which was a block away but folded. (Let’s not forget the 6 seals who took Osama down that were killed in a mysterious chopper crash. RIP fellas).... you’re in for a wake up call.

This week, The big banks will go bankrupt, they are already on their knees, Income tax will go away and the elites will no longer rule you or the world.

I seriously doubt that Trump wins anything at the moment, much less have i a feeling that his voting promise of helping the economy will be fullfillable, if anything the virus probably significantly lowered his image and his capability of getting re-elected.


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dalezzz wrote:
There were a whole bunch of people commenting with clappy hands and “truth” ... I can’t even tell what it means :p

Mind you it did take me six try’s to type “there” just now, so I’m probably not intelligent enough

I mean this list plays like fething conspiracy bingo:

You got:

-Soros

-deepstate

- Bankers and Elites conspiracy with the media.

- Trump and SS ( i mean yeah he has german ancestry but i highly doubt him to be a candidate for that organisation )

- 9/11 falsflag

- Hillary mails.


I mean that isn't bingo anymore that's more like the lottery ticket major win

Not Online!!! wrote:
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Welcome to Q-Anon! They also think JFK Jr. will be Trump's running mate in 2020. Yes, the dead guy.

The aspect that makes me smile and roll my eyes is how the lack of evidence for a conspiracy makes it just as valid as evidence.

A while ago, I fell down a wiki hole following the 'moral panic' of satanism in gaming in the 80s and how the adherents of this belief (still around too!) have morphed this to a belief of a hidden cabal of satanists that run the world from the shadows.

The fact that there is absolutely bo evidence to back it upa. Well, to its adherents this is even more damning of its truth than if there was evidence, because this simply proves the hidden cabal is so all-powerful and untouchable that they can cover their tracks and manipulate everything to make them essentially invisible.

You can't win against this line of thinking sadly.

Again, this shouldn't be a revelation to anyone. The Sophists knew 2500(?) years ago that being in command of the facts and having evidence may not mean much when it come to what people accept as truth. We all construct our own realities, and the human mind is a very subjective thing. Belief is truth, and belief isn't built on evidence and facts.

Deadnight wrote:
The aspect that makes me smile and roll my eyes is how the lack of evidence for a conspiracy makes it just as valid as evidence.

A while ago, I fell down a wiki hole following the 'moral panic' of satanism in gaming in the 80s and how the adherents of this belief (still around too!) have morphed this to a belief of a hidden cabal of satanists that run the world from the shadows.

The fact that there is absolutely bo evidence to back it upa. Well, to its adherents this is even more damning of its truth than if there was evidence, because this simply proves the hidden cabal is so all-powerful and untouchable that they can cover their tracks and manipulate everything to make them essentially invisible.

You can't win against this line of thinking sadly.

The particular variety of religion that I grew up in this belief not only ran rampant, but it morphed to an even more extreme degree. . .

Long story short: there was no "cabal" because basically. . . the "true believers" were the cabal, and literally everyone else were the satanists. . . . Ie, it was this "cabal" of purity and "good religionists" that was fighting the good fight against all of the evil going on in the world. It was flying rodent droppings insane then, and I find it even more insane now.

Deadnight wrote:
The aspect that makes me smile and roll my eyes is how the lack of evidence for a conspiracy makes it just as valid as evidence.

A while ago, I fell down a wiki hole following the 'moral panic' of satanism in gaming in the 80s and how the adherents of this belief (still around too!) have morphed this to a belief of a hidden cabal of satanists that run the world from the shadows.

Ah, them. Lived across the street from one when I was... 13? No, 14. We were hanging out with her kids ('we' being the other kids I played D&D with), and found several Jack Chick pamphlets on her coffee table. I dunno if she had them around the house all the time for her kids to read, or passive-aggressively left them out so we'd find them, but flipping through them was a hoot. They were just so poorly informed and childishly argued. What they imagined about Dungeons and Dragons was so far removed from the actual game that it was both funny and sad. We knew it was just a game, but they seemed convinced that magic and demons were real things, just waiting to gobble children and drag our 'souls' into the books to wait for more victims.

Mind you, I was never particularly impressed with this woman and her family anyway. They had two young teenagers and a two year old, and child-proof locks on everything. According to the kids, the two year old was the only one capable of opening the child-proof locks without effort.

Happily that was my only brush with the 'Satanic Panic' despite living through it. The stories always seemed overblown, but the 'literature' is hilarious.

My favorite part of that conspiracy is when the one lady sent out the pamphlet for what to look out for to make sure your kids aren't Satanists, and the Necronomicon was on the list.

They're so bad at research they never even noticed they were looking for a fictional book. And she sent that out in the 60s, before fan made renditions of the book even existed.

Voss wrote:


Happily that was my only brush with the 'Satanic Panic' despite living through it. The stories always seemed overblown, but the 'literature' is hilarious.

This particular episode of the ongoing "Culture Wars" has seen some interesting changes though. . . . I mean, we've faced no less than 2 major and one minor congressional hearing with the softly unspoken aim of censorship (the famous/infamous PMRC hearing in 85, then there was a senate hearing that played out damn near the same thing over "gangster rap" in 92 or 93, then there was an almost unmentioned house hearing on rap in general in 94/95) . . . The part that hilariously backfired is that once record labels adopted the advisory warning stickers, those labeled album's sales shot through the roof.

It was because of the satanic panic idiots that I ever even heard about all the fun stuff disney animators put into their cartoons (and, as I've gone through university and looked up *why* they did those things, well, I side with the artists)

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

It was because of the satanic panic idiots that I ever even heard about all the fun stuff disney animators put into their cartoons (and, as I've gone through university and looked up *why* they did those things, well, I side with the artists)

Oh? Colour me intrigued... Going to look that one up when I get back from work.