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Given the new releases for CSMs and the the move to Primaris everything, anyone have any suggestions/plans for the older models?
   
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I have no plans to change anything. I've got a bajillion painted old Chaos Space Marines, no need to replace them, and the newer models are really quite busy in terms of detail (and much more time consuming to paint as a result), not to mention more than twice the price of what my CSM's cost at MSRP when I picked them up.




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I'll keep using them?
Long term I think about playing them with different rule set if gw continues to make 40k worse.

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i already re-purposed them for 30K tactical marines counts as tactical support squads FTW plus its a better game than 8th ed for normal scale play.

if i want to play 8th i have my mechanicus force and all my epic scale stuff.





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I'm slowly replacing the old marines. They're basically inferior in every way to the new sculpts.
That said, I don't like all of them, so I'm not wholesale replacing.
I try to use older pieces here and there though. I don't like the new shoulders for example.
The designs are fine overall, but I hate that every single one of them has those cutouts on the sides.
Full shoulders look much more menacing and make more sense since they are supposed to protect.
I also hate that there are no "free" bolters n such like in the old kits. Or how they are all held in two hands which are also modelled into the guns AND are left handed.
But they do look good. Though the two ranges look ridiculous next to each other.

They can still somewhat be mixed up with the forgeworld parts, which gives a much better aesthetic imo.
I'm probably going to butcher some of my older kits for parts.
So yea, replacing but only to an extent.
   
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Never stop using them? I really like the designs, and how they're really easy to customize. When GW pulls the classic marine, I guess I'll have to buy something else.
   
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Listed them on eBay the day the new kits were announced! Invested the proceeds in the infinitely superior new sculpts.

Contra the above view, I fine the new sculpts an absolute pleasure to paint. The increased detail provides liberal grounds for creative flourishes.

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I will be waiting for GW to convert all marine units to primaris and then my marines will be like all the others.

When every marine is primaris, then any marine deployed in the game will be primaris...

   
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My Plague Marines are a Mix of models from 2nd to 8th Edition. Funnily enough I bought the 2nd ed ones after the 8 th ed ones . So... Why would I have to change anything? Us Chaos Boys have the luxury to not have received unnecessary bloated rules for our truescale Marines, so we can use them side by side without problems.
   
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For my loyalists? Keep right on using them as is until their stats are deleted.
And when that happens? Then this:

Hellebore wrote:
I will be waiting for GW to convert all marine units to primaris and then my marines will be like all the others.

When every marine is primaris, then any marine deployed in the game will be primaris...


For my CSM? Keep right on using them as is.

I have years & years of effort + $ put into my 5 SM (SW, DA, UM.9th Co., Mentors, & Doom Eagles) & 2 CSM (Iron Warriors & Death Guard) armies. I see no reason to throw all that away just because GW decided to make slightly larger/different sculpts.

Chaos - I have no problem adding new stuff to either army if I like the piece. So some of the figures will be slightly different scale than others. So what? You don't think there's any side effects to being tainted by Chaos? To traveling through the warp for 10k years??

For the loyalists simply being fielded as Primaris eventually - Should I run into any who'd object I'll just not play with those people.
Or I'll just continue playing the last edition where my stuff exists.
   
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I'll stop playing Marines when classics aren't supported, and use them only when my pals and I play older editions without the Primaris *spits* nonsense.

For PUGs I'll play Nids or Eldar, and I will relish Primaris players' tears.

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Keep on using them, no reason not too.

I've spend alot of money and alot of time buying and painting my armies.
I'm not going to throw all that away (or sell for pittance) just because there is a new version that is 5mm taller.

I really like some of the new models, the intercessors and some of the characters especially.
Others though I really dislike, the tacti-cool of most of the phobos range, the horrible flying stands and flying poses, the standing on rocks that takes away all basing theme from an army (plus looks silly) and the general over design of many of them.

The main reason for not buying any of the newer models is the fact that they so clearly don't fit with the old ranges - obviously thats the idea to encourage people to get complete new sets but it has worked the other way for me.

The new rules are clearly very good so I've taken to modelling old scale mark 4 models to be counts as version for some primaris units.

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For normal SM, keep them. They are still a current supported
range and superb kits, there is no reason to do anything else.
   
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In salamander lists they get the weapons that takes advantage of their bonuses best.
In master artisans lists tac squads with a las cannon they're very useful too.

 
   
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Well, the kits for my """old""" marine army are vastly more modern and recent than the kits for most of the armies I have owned over the years.

So yeah, uh, they're not going anywhere. If GW decides to squat them I'll proxy them.

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Keep playing them? I've already got several battle companies worth of both Primaris and Firstborn, and I don't care much for rebuying and repainting all the Firstborn. If they get axed from the game in terms of rules, then I can homebrew my own rules as best I can, or just play count as, or play previous editions.

But, until that happens, I see no trouble using them. Both Primaris and Firstborn are fine ranges IMO.


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Keep purging xenos and heretics. The same RTB01 tac marines have formed the backbone of my army since the old days, and will continue until the rules no longer support them. At which point, they will counts-as whatever the new boys are, and continue to bring the Emperor’s light to the dark reaches of the galaxy.

Being sub-par hasn’t stopped me. For large swaths of the editions, scouts outperformed Tacs. Didn’t stop me than, won’t stop me now.

I am painting up primaris. Love the models. Not a huge fan of the lore behind them, but <shrug>. They do look cool, and I like mixing them in with classic marines for mixed lists.

   
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Keep em use em

I still use the Original RT ones

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I shall keep them

Hold them close to me

Never leave them

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Use them as devestators/havocs.

They aren't small. They are just far away.
   
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 Roknar wrote:
I'm slowly replacing the old marines. They're basically inferior in every way to the new sculpts.
That said, I don't like all of them, so I'm not wholesale replacing.
I try to use older pieces here and there though. I don't like the new shoulders for example.
The designs are fine overall, but I hate that every single one of them has those cutouts on the sides.
Full shoulders look much more menacing and make more sense since they are supposed to protect.
I also hate that there are no "free" bolters n such like in the old kits. Or how they are all held in two hands which are also modelled into the guns AND are left handed.
But they do look good. Though the two ranges look ridiculous next to each other.

They can still somewhat be mixed up with the forgeworld parts, which gives a much better aesthetic imo.
I'm probably going to butcher some of my older kits for parts.
So yea, replacing but only to an extent.


Inferior in every way..... hell no haha, Marines are much more customisible, more options etc. all primaris have is the uniform aesthetic which I find boring, they need to mix up the Mks like real marines.
   
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My Classic Tac Marines are still perfectly legal in a Loyalist army. They're not particularly useful in a Loyalist army, but Bikes, Vanguard Vets, Company Vets, and most of the Classic tanks and Dreads still serve needs that the Primaris line either does not meet at all or does not come close to the cost efficiency of the classic line.

When the day comes that the classic line cannot be legally fielded as part of a Loyalist army then I'll have a Renegade CMS collection instead.

   
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I've got 6 rhino. 6 razors, 6 pred hulls that are all worthless now. And 5 drop pods. All worthless. Next time I move, they probably aren't coming with me. Most of these are circa 5th ed, so I guess I got my usage out of them. It's still really hard to feel good about anything GW does with newbois.

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 Formosa wrote:
 Roknar wrote:
I'm slowly replacing the old marines. They're basically inferior in every way to the new sculpts.
That said, I don't like all of them, so I'm not wholesale replacing.
I try to use older pieces here and there though. I don't like the new shoulders for example.
The designs are fine overall, but I hate that every single one of them has those cutouts on the sides.
Full shoulders look much more menacing and make more sense since they are supposed to protect.
I also hate that there are no "free" bolters n such like in the old kits. Or how they are all held in two hands which are also modelled into the guns AND are left handed.
But they do look good. Though the two ranges look ridiculous next to each other.

They can still somewhat be mixed up with the forgeworld parts, which gives a much better aesthetic imo.
I'm probably going to butcher some of my older kits for parts.
So yea, replacing but only to an extent.


Inferior in every way..... hell no haha, Marines are much more customisible, more options etc. all primaris have is the uniform aesthetic which I find boring, they need to mix up the Mks like real marines.

That's an entirely subjective evaluation, we could argue that in circles until we're all blue in the face and never get anywhere. I agree with Roknar and disagree with you, but I know trying to persuade you to my point of view on the matter is a waste of time for everyone involved.

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@OP:

Well, keep 'em of course.

You can' t buy Primaris as they are fugly and GW tries to screw you with new CSM. Just one minigun in the new Havoc box? Seriously? I would have bought two boxes, if they had the decency to put at least two miniguns in there. Alas, my wishes remained unfulfilled and as a consequence my money stayed in my wallet.

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I'm not going to be touching Primaris until they redo the entire GK line in Primaris and release some really over the top super gothic looking Marines with actual close combat weapons.

This "tacticool" marine look can go get fethed.

Only then will I be replacing anything.

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 Strg Alt wrote:
@OP:

Well, keep 'em of course.

I can' t buy Primaris as I think they are fugly ...

Fixed that for you. Subjective opinions are subjective.

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Formosa wrote:Ithey need to mix up the Mks like real marines.
Eh, I don't like that on my regular squads. It's fine on Veterans, but I'd rather my Tacticals stay largely all Mark 7.

Would you call my Battle Company "not real Marines" simply because I don't mixed armour marks?

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The Newman wrote:
 Strg Alt wrote:
@OP:

Well, keep 'em of course.

I can' t buy Primaris as I think they are fugly ...

Fixed that for you. Subjective opinions are subjective.


"ugly" is an inherently subjective word. saying something is ugly automatically indicates you are giving a subjective opinion.

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