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Big ticket for a model that would be like, 50$ tops?
Call it what it is, price gouging.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Big ticket for a model that would be like, 50$ tops?
Call it what it is, price gouging.

Do you actually know what price gouging is?

Literally the whole point of this model is:
-It was going to be an event exclusive for Games Workshop stores to have on their birthday celebrations. That means no independent shops, period, would have had access to it.
-Providing a limited number of an item that is otherwise unavailable that people who haven't been hitting their hobby budgets for at least a month might feel compelled to buy. Apparently that's working, since nobody will shut up about how "I can't get it because it's too expensive/my shop has too few/whatever".

I had $160 set aside for just the cavalry for the AdMech releases. There was another $40 set aside for hobby related bits for that(glues, basing materials, paints, sprays, possibly new set of files/knives), and another $100 if I liked the collector's edition cover for Engine War. All told that's $300 right there, figuring in sales tax.

You cannot tell me that I am somehow an outlier for this kind of stuff. Maybe not all in one go necessarily, but I have not had a whole lot of things released in awhile that I have been excited for so my weekly expenditures relating to model stuff aren't as high as they are for the 'chase the meta' folk. If I had any shops locally that I actually liked and frequented with this model? I'd be willing to drop $200 on it.

I see it as a what should it reasonably be worth if you are getting it for free with a 100% profit.
And I have been buying from my store.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I see it as a what should it reasonably be worth if you are getting it for free with a 100% profit.
And I have been buying from my store.

They're getting it for free because GW relies on them as part of it's distribution and recruitment network - and this part of their network has been forced to stay closed for over a month.
The whole point of the act is to let the stores make a lot of money from it (either as as marketing tool, or just outright letting people big on it), not just to give them the honour of seeing the box and making £30.
They could have just them a squad box if it was just that kind of thing, but £30 is nothing when you've lost a month's paycheck. Don't think about it as the cost of the model, think about it as a trophy for helping keep a local store you apparently like in business during the pandemic.

Also - you'll notice that the more expensive ebay one in the picture (the £360) is being offered as a charity auction, raising money for disabled veterans.

 Tastyfish wrote:

They could have just them a squad box if it was just that kind of thing, but £30 is nothing when you've lost a month's paycheck.

As is £200. It's literally nothing, when your business turns over £1,000,000 of GW stock annually. So is £500. If you sell £500, 000 of GW product every year, then £500 equals exactly 0.1% pure profit.

Why are people still trying to say that this is financial aid from GW to their suppliers? This is very obviously a cheap public relations and marketing exercise for the benefit of GW. I'm quite surprised it has, to some extent, worked.

Good on the retailers that are giving the profits to charity though, very nice gesture.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I had $160 set aside for just the cavalry for the AdMech releases. There was another $40 set aside for hobby related bits for that(glues, basing materials, paints, sprays, possibly new set of files/knives), and another $100 if I liked the collector's edition cover for Engine War. All told that's $300 right there, figuring in sales tax.

You cannot tell me that I am somehow an outlier for this kind of stuff. Maybe not all in one go necessarily, but I have not had a whole lot of things released in awhile that I have been excited for so my weekly expenditures relating to model stuff aren't as high as they are for the 'chase the meta' folk. If I had any shops locally that I actually liked and frequented with this model? I'd be willing to drop $200 on it.

I'd say you're an outlier.
Seriously... you'd put $300 aside for a book and an unpainted plastic sprue cavalry unit.

Most of my gaming friends would expect a couple of playable games for that.
I guess outliers like yourself are why GW can charge so much.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

I'd say you're an outlier.
Seriously... you'd put $300 aside for a book and an unpainted plastic sprue cavalry unit.

Most of my gaming friends would expect a couple of playable games for that.
I guess outliers like yourself are why GW can charge so much.

You get that $160 wasn't for a single box of cavalry...right?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

I'd say you're an outlier.
Seriously... you'd put $300 aside for a book and an unpainted plastic sprue cavalry unit.

Most of my gaming friends would expect a couple of playable games for that.
I guess outliers like yourself are why GW can charge so much.

You get that $160 wasn't for a single box of cavalry...right?

2 boxes? Or 1 box in down under dollars?
I dunno. I quit GW pricing a few years ago. Like when the box of 5 Warhammer vampire cavalry I wanted were around £60/$99. Is $160 now the going rate for one box or two? I moved to different companies and better games since then...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

I'd say you're an outlier.
Seriously... you'd put $300 aside for a book and an unpainted plastic sprue cavalry unit.

Most of my gaming friends would expect a couple of playable games for that.
I guess outliers like yourself are why GW can charge so much.

You get that $160 wasn't for a single box of cavalry...right?

What does the fact that you have several hundred dollars earmarked for a few boxes of minis, some hobby supplies, and a rulebook have to do with the subject at hand? I'm not trying to be glib here, I honestly can't see the connection.

 Tastyfish wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I see it as a what should it reasonably be worth if you are getting it for free with a 100% profit.
And I have been buying from my store.

They're getting it for free because GW relies on them as part of it's distribution and recruitment network - and this part of their network has been forced to stay closed for over a month.
The whole point of the act is to let the stores make a lot of money from it (either as as marketing tool, or just outright letting people big on it), not just to give them the honour of seeing the box and making £30.
They could have just them a squad box if it was just that kind of thing, but £30 is nothing when you've lost a month's paycheck. Don't think about it as the cost of the model, think about it as a trophy for helping keep a local store you apparently like in business during the pandemic.

Also - you'll notice that the more expensive ebay one in the picture (the £360) is being offered as a charity auction, raising money for disabled veterans.

I did not see that. Good eyes. That's fair enough.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Big ticket for a model that would be like, 50$ tops?
Call it what it is, price gouging.

So vote with your feet, or your wallet in this case.

I wouldn't pay that, so I'm not going to. There will likely be chances to get it at a more regular price later anyway, let the fools pay big bucks. The shop has the right to charge what they see fit.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

I'd say you're an outlier.
Seriously... you'd put $300 aside for a book and an unpainted plastic sprue cavalry unit.

Most of my gaming friends would expect a couple of playable games for that.
I guess outliers like yourself are why GW can charge so much.

You get that $160 wasn't for a single box of cavalry...right?

2 boxes? Or 1 box in down under dollars?
I dunno. I quit GW pricing a few years ago. Like when the box of 5 Warhammer vampire cavalry I wanted were around £60/$99. Is $160 now the going rate for one box or two? I moved to different companies and better games since then...

Well, there’s the cavalry, the flier and the flying Skitarii coming.

What's with the sudden flexing of money muscles going on?

 Kanluwen wrote:
The whole frigging point of this model being limited is for shops to get a big ticket item to sell now.

You're acting as if selling this minis for massively over inflated prices was the intention.

Yeah this will lead to some butthurt and I bet GW changes it soon.
People really that that is is ok, because they just so happen to have money to buy it because they save up for another purchase, it's ok?
No, I tend to buy when I want/afford.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The whole frigging point of this model being limited is for shops to get a big ticket item to sell now.

You're acting as if selling this minis for massively over inflated prices was the intention.

I'm sure it was the intention or GW would have specified that it should be sold for £25 or whatever standard hero price is now (although I suspect a fair few would then have 'sold' it to a staff member who would have bunged it on ebay anyway with the extra cash ending up back in the store),

that they didn't means that they wanted the games stores to be able to cash in and get more than that minimal sum of money, now I don't think they anticipated the bad feeling that it's generating in many folk, they probably thought people would be happy that their local store being able to stay open would be a positive, but no far too many seem only interested in bagging one of them at a 'standard' priced

(not that I don't hope that GW makes it available as a made to order via local stores later on so I get a chance to own one, but if they don't they don't and i'll live with the disappointment)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The whole frigging point of this model being limited is for shops to get a big ticket item to sell now.

You're acting as if selling this minis for massively over inflated prices was the intention.

I'm sure it was the intention or GW would have specified that it should be sold for £25 or whatever standard hero price is now (although I suspect a fair few would then have 'sold' it to a staff member who would have bunged it on ebay anyway with the extra cash ending up back in the store),

that they didn't means that they wanted the games stores to be able to cash in and get more than that minimal sum of money, now I don't think they anticipated the bad feeling that it's generating in many folk, they probably thought people would be happy that their local store being able to stay open would be a positive, but no far too many seem only interested in bagging one of them at a 'standard' priced

(not that I don't hope that GW makes it available as a made to order via local stores later on so I get a chance to own one, but if they don't they don't and i'll live with the disappointment)

Not sure about that; the freedom to use the Catachans as the store owner sees fit also opens the door to use them for raffles, future event prizes and other such things. Simply selling them at £25 each certainly won't help the stores massively from a financial point of view, but the statement to that effect from GW is more about PR than anything else. At any rate, I also don't know what information or instructions the receiving stores did in fact receive alongside the models, if any (presumably very little). Can't blame those stores that find themselves in dire straits for just flogging them off on ebay, but neither would it enthuse me much if my own local store did so. There is some irony in putting them up for auction "to support the FLGS" when somebody on the other side of the world may end up buying it.

Saw it on US Ebay for $500 buy it now.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Saw it on US Ebay for $500 buy it now.

Did someone buy it? If not, then it’s just a listing and meaningless without a purchase

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Saw it on US Ebay for $500 buy it now.

Did someone buy it? If not, then it’s just a listing and meaningless without a purchase

Here you go Hot Rod...

Search Sold Listings

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Limited-Edition-Catachan-Colonel-Warhammer-40k/283865832787?hash=item4217b8dd53:g:87MAAOSww41erZJn


$500 Spicy Ones.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Saw it on US Ebay for $500 buy it now.

Did someone buy it? If not, then it’s just a listing and meaningless without a purchase

Here you go Hot Rod...

Search Sold Listings

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Limited-Edition-Catachan-Colonel-Warhammer-40k/283865832787?hash=item4217b8dd53:g:87MAAOSww41erZJn


$500 Spicy Ones.

To be fair that's a store owner who has done enormous work for his local community and putting on events.He had to start a gofundme for his two stores to keep from going under. He's been a part of his community for 3 decades or more. That sale was most likely to a local looking to get something for helping his local flgs stay afloat.

Well, searching "Catachan Colonel Limited" on eBay shows me 10 listings right now (including international) and all are ~$200 or more...

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=catachan+colonel+limited&_trksid=m5467.l1311&_odkw=catachan+colonel+limits+ted

The ones for charity or good causes are awesome! The others... not so much...

Asgard Wargames have raised £450.00 for charity so far.

That gives me, with 35 £1 entries, a roughly 7.77% chance of bagging one....

 Hulksmash wrote:

To be fair that's a store owner who has done enormous work for his local community and putting on events.He had to start a gofundme for his two stores to keep from going under. He's been a part of his community for 3 decades or more. That sale was most likely to a local looking to get something for helping his local flgs stay afloat.

... Assuming the buyer actually paid for it and wasn't just trolling the seller.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Saw it on US Ebay for $500 buy it now.

Did someone buy it? If not, then it’s just a listing and meaningless without a purchase

Here you go Hot Rod...

Search Sold Listings

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Limited-Edition-Catachan-Colonel-Warhammer-40k/283865832787?hash=item4217b8dd53:g:87MAAOSww41erZJn


$500 Spicy Ones.

Thank you very much. How people wanna spend their money is up to them, really, isn’t it?

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Saw it on US Ebay for $500 buy it now.

Did someone buy it? If not, then it’s just a listing and meaningless without a purchase

Here you go Hot Rod...

Search Sold Listings

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Limited-Edition-Catachan-Colonel-Warhammer-40k/283865832787?hash=item4217b8dd53:g:87MAAOSww41erZJn


$500 Spicy Ones.

Thank you very much. How people wanna spend their money is up to them, really, isn’t it?

Makes you wonder if GW have set up this pr stunt knowing they'll all be sold on ebay. Then they can look at the prices and think about selling their own limited editions for sky high prices in future.

I cant see that working. there may be a few folks willing to shell out megabucks for a small piece of 'limited edition' moulded plastic, but its hardly a good indicator of consumer demand. if they implemented similar prices, they would get maybe a handful of sales, and wouldnt be profitable at all

Indeedy.

Usual exclusive prices?

Terminator Captain & Chaplain - £15 each
Other re-opening and anniversary models - £20 each.
Librarian and Sister - £22.50

Now other than the last two, those prices aren’t massively unreasonable. The first two have been out for some years now, with the Chaplain only becoming generally available rather than a spending reward in the past 18 months or so.

The theory above seems.....shall we say, awfully pessimistic?


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 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Saw it on US Ebay for $500 buy it now.

Did someone buy it? If not, then it’s just a listing and meaningless without a purchase

Here you go Hot Rod...

Search Sold Listings

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Limited-Edition-Catachan-Colonel-Warhammer-40k/283865832787?hash=item4217b8dd53:g:87MAAOSww41erZJn


$500 Spicy Ones.

Thank you very much. How people wanna spend their money is up to them, really, isn’t it?

Depends on the starting price. If it goes up at £200, nose a bit more out of joint than one starting at £20, and then bids taking it skyrocket.

Yeah, and people get caught up in bid wars, often spending far more than they went just to not lose against the competition, its like a pride thing. I've seen this on ebay, where I've been watching a reasonably priced item, placed a bid I'm happy with, then seen it go a lot higher than normal retail and people carry on bidding for it.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Yeah, and people get caught up in bid wars, often spending far more than they went just to not lose against the competition, its like a pride thing. I've seen this on ebay, where I've been watching a reasonably priced item, placed a bid I'm happy with, then seen it go a lot higher than normal retail and people carry on bidding for it.

I received an order from Victoria Miniatures and, as often happened, there were some freebies in there.

In this case it was the original lead cloaks that she made for scouts/ not-Tanith.

I had no use for them so off to eBay for a £0.99 starting price they went. Bidding war and £20 later, I had no option but to send these five cloaks off to the Winner!

The funniest ones though are where you relist an item several times with Watchers but no Bidders until someone folds, bids and off they go. Could have had it for the start price if they'd bid two weeks before.

yeah people are crazy. I had NiB angron on ebay for a bargain, and people were still sending me silly low offers. I put the price up and left a disclaimer saying the BiN price would continue to rise in accordance with FW price rises, and someone bought it straight away.