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One day they'll remember that the World Eaters exist. One day.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
One day they'll remember that the World Eaters exist. One day.

Didn't they get a strat or something in whichever Psychic Wossname book?


Truthfully, though, I get it. I keep dancing around the idea of a WE army, but want to make it more than 100% idiot axe murderers on foot. And I worry that if their own codex happens they'll just rip out the ranged units they can take now to do a DG or TS style book.

Voss wrote:
Truthfully, though, I get it. I keep dancing around the idea of a WE army, but want to make it more than 100% idiot axe murderers on foot. And I worry that if their own codex happens they'll just rip out the ranged units they can take now to do a DG or TS style book.

Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows... unless you're using a gun. Then he cares quite a bit.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
Truthfully, though, I get it. I keep dancing around the idea of a WE army, but want to make it more than 100% idiot axe murderers on foot. And I worry that if their own codex happens they'll just rip out the ranged units they can take now to do a DG or TS style book.

Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows... unless you're using a gun. Then he cares quite a bit.

He's not overly keen on you using psychic abilities to make the blood flow, either.

For someone who isn't meant to care, he seems to care quite a bit!

It didn't used to be that way.

I mean look at all these gun-encrusted engines of war he used to have.

Guess it's another flanderisation in 40K. Maybe not to the same degree as the Woofs, but still.

SamusDrake wrote:

For 40K itself, I hope they only do a revised 8th edition without the need to replace the current codex books. 40K could also do with its own slim and affordable rule book, like the AoS Gaming Book, with updated rules. It seems a bit early for 9th edition..

Why you would equal edition change with new codexes? Codexes have been discarded at once twice in 40k history. And never 2 edition in a row.


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 Argive wrote:

Necron Finecast update multi kits (deathmarks & flayed ones combo kit ?)

Why would deathmarks be in 2nd kit? They already have plastic models.

If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

 Stormonu wrote:
If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

Dudeface wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

GW doesn't "balance", they just shuffle their weight from one end of the seesaw to the other. They had the start of a balanced game back with the indexes at the start of 8th, but rather than attempt to balance the game, they jumped off the deep end because that was what got them sales. They haven't looked back since.

Dudeface wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

How many editions have you been through? New one means new codexes means new balance “problems”. It’s the GW way

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

How many editions have you been through? New one means new codexes means new balance “problems”. It’s the GW way

Since Rogue Trader.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think anyone believes that 9th will be a major overhaul of the rules ala 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd, or 7th to 8th. It'll be a refresh like 4th/5th/6th/7th.

But it means a new starter kit, sending a lot of standard units OOP (better get 'em now, Primaris and DG players!) as I doubt they'll come back.

I've had my fill of those sprues via Warhammer Conquest.

Do I buy a new Starter set or bank on Warhammer Conquest V2 in a couple of years?

tneva82 wrote:Why you would equal edition change with new codexes? Codexes have been discarded at once twice in 40k history. And never 2 edition in a row..

there are some factions that will get a new Codex twice each edition, others will get one once a while
but new Edition means updated rules which leads to a new Codex

Dudeface wrote:

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

the rules in the core book were never really the big balancing problem
changing the core book but keep the factions rules won't make the balancing better but just change it
and the new balancing will last until GW change the design goal of the new edition which means all faction released after a certain point will go in a different direction and killing of the balance that was there before

happend since 3rd Edition, usually with the excuse that new factions are written with a new edition in mind but old factions (or the core rules) won't get an update to bring them on the same level

Wakshaani wrote:
Maybe it's a fluff change?

Like the Emperor finally dies, leading to a big hunt for the Star Child (Hands up, ancient fluff readers who know that one!) … the "Awakening" is from a new god of humanity being created.

Or the return/introduction of Malal for Chaos as a fifth Chaos god, thanks to all of the rifts.

The return of, say, Sanguinus would be big, but not, you know, SHATTERING ALL THE THINGS big.

A dead Emperor, and the echo of that creating regional psychic beacons where you no longer have the one on Terra, could be a big enough thing to shake the pillars of 40K.

But it's pretty much a thng that you can only do ONCE, so...

(Similarly: Bringing back one of the two lost chapters. C'mon, Daughters of Athena!)

No. You know why this all isn't happening with no chance at all? Because the PA fluff is set during the Indomitus Crusade. That 200 year period between the opening of the rift and "present day" 8th. So, we know that won't happen as everything from PA has already happened.

 Stormonu wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

How many editions have you been through? New one means new codexes means new balance “problems”. It’s the GW way

Since Rogue Trader.

I'd have thought that the myth of GW balance would be something you've seen before then? It'll never be balanced. Never has, never will. Kinda how they operate

 Stormonu wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

GW doesn't "balance", they just shuffle their weight from one end of the seesaw to the other. They had the start of a balanced game back with the indexes at the start of 8th, but rather than attempt to balance the game, they jumped off the deep end because that was what got them sales. They haven't looked back since.

Index-hammer was bland as anything though, it might have been more balanced (being the only time all factions have rules written together), but it lacked flavour imo. What you're asking for is essentially no more books to be released and just stack reams and reams of errata and faqs onto what's there, which simply isn't in their best interests and most of the fan base are already fed up with the volume of documentation they have to carry around.

Top complaints seem to be rubbish terrain rules (needs new rules to fix) and some complaints of how CP generation is run (requires new rules to fix).

Having been in this since 3rd ed, I'm used to the fact things will swing as they try new stuff, but beyond the marine debacle the games in a decent spot atm from a casual perspective.

I said it already in the Pariah thread. It’s Necrons vs Astra Militarum( most likely Catachans) Silent King will be separate box set on special command barge (think Vect) big box set will have new Necron “pariah” like Unit.

John D Law wrote:
I said it already in the Pariah thread. It’s Necrons vs Astra Militarum( most likely Catachans) Silent King will be separate box set on special command barge (think Vect) big box set will have new Necron “pariah” like Unit.

Even if it's Catachans, which are probably amongst the least popular of the common guard regiments, if they are sculpted to modern standards like the new "Predator" Hero, I could see Guard players losing their collective minds. It would also be really nice to see a boxed starter not include Space Marines.....though for that reason I think it won't happen.

First of all who actually plays casually. Second no way in hell are they dropping news of a new edition unless this is “8.5 lol you got the beta rules to shut you up about 7th” Edition which it isn’t. Here’s to hoping what they actually put out are Gorgeous models though. Maybe they are overhauling a Xenos faction. Maybe it’s more primaricrap. Maybe it’s vanilla marines. Maybe it’s the secret krabby paddy formula... anyone got that by the way?

John D Law wrote:
I said it already in the Pariah thread. It’s Necrons vs Astra Militarum( most likely Catachans) Silent King will be separate box set on special command barge (think Vect) big box set will have new Necron “pariah” like Unit.

And I seem to recall asking for your source on that. if it is necrons vs guard it strikes me as.... unlikely it'll be a 9th edition box launch. we've never seen a starter set sans marines

macluvin wrote:
First of all who actually plays casually. Second no way in hell are they dropping news of a new edition unless this is “8.5 lol you got the beta rules to shut you up about 7th” Edition which it isn’t. Here’s to hoping what they actually put out are Gorgeous models though. Maybe they are overhauling a Xenos faction. Maybe it’s more primaricrap. Maybe it’s vanilla marines. Maybe it’s the secret krabby paddy formula... anyone got that by the way?

The vast majority, I would wager.

 ImAGeek wrote:

macluvin wrote:
First of all who actually plays casually. Second no way in hell are they dropping news of a new edition unless this is “8.5 lol you got the beta rules to shut you up about 7th” Edition which it isn’t. Here’s to hoping what they actually put out are Gorgeous models though. Maybe they are overhauling a Xenos faction. Maybe it’s more primaricrap. Maybe it’s vanilla marines. Maybe it’s the secret krabby paddy formula... anyone got that by the way?

The vast majority, I would wager.

Indeed. the idea that all 40k players are ruthless compeitive tourny players has always baffled me. there isn't a single game,event etc in the world where thats true, why assume it's true of 40k?

 kodos wrote:

tneva82 wrote:Why you would equal edition change with new codexes? Codexes have been discarded at once twice in 40k history. And never 2 edition in a row..

there are some factions that will get a new Codex twice each edition, others will get one once a while
but new Edition means updated rules which leads to a new Codex

New codexes will come anyway new edition or not. If you think you can avoid GW pressing "print me money" button new codex is just by having new codex out you are gravely mistaken.

It won't be instant removal of old codexes though. Depending on what codex you use you could be year or two or three in waiting. Same as without new edition.

If they don't release new edition they release just new codexes period. Either way sooner or later you either stop using newest rules or you keep buying new codexes to replace your old ones. Simple as that.


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John D Law wrote:
I said it already in the Pariah thread. It’s Necrons vs Astra Militarum( most likely Catachans) Silent King will be separate box set on special command barge (think Vect) big box set will have new Necron “pariah” like Unit.

Your guess is fairly easy to say false though. No marines.

I'm gonna guess a new game, Battle fleet gothic remastered XD

macluvin wrote:
First of all who actually plays casually. Second no way in hell are they dropping news of a new edition unless this is “8.5 lol you got the beta rules to shut you up about 7th” Edition which it isn’t. Here’s to hoping what they actually put out are Gorgeous models though. Maybe they are overhauling a Xenos faction. Maybe it’s more primaricrap. Maybe it’s vanilla marines. Maybe it’s the secret krabby paddy formula... anyone got that by the way?

'As hard as it might be for tournament try hards to imagine not everybody is interested in pretending 40k is some esport competive game. 40k and competive don't even fit into it. You cannot play 40k on really competively.

And why you think it won't be 9th ed? 8th ed is about old enough it's time for edition change anyway with gw's recent time lines. And drop that 8.5 stupidity. It's 9th ed. Just because codexes don't get invalidated doesn't mean it's not full edition jump unless you claim we are now in 4th edition. Wanna try to make that claim? After calling new edition 8.5? To be 8.5 you would need to have had 8th edition but if it needs codex invalidation we are at 4th ed...actually 3rd since there weren't codexes in RT.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It didn't used to be that way.

I mean look at all these gun-encrusted engines of war he used to have.

Guess it's another flanderisation in 40K. Maybe not to the same degree as the Woofs, but still.

Well, from that lot we've got the Lord of Skulls via GW, and the Brass Scorpion through FW (as far as I know it is still in production).

Knorne Daemons also have the Skull Cannon via GW, which you could make an argument for replicating the Cannon of Khorne, though for my money it seems a touch anaemic in that regard.

I'm not sure on their relative sizes in Epic, but you could probably multi-kit the Cauldron of Blood, Death Dealer, Blood Reaper and Tower of Skulls as Daemon Engines - probably as two kits? - and then bring back the Cannon of Khorne and Doom Blaster as artillery choices when World Eaters eventually get a book? Even though the WE are Berserker Central, they're going to need some HS choices, so why not bring back these older concepts with a modern kit design?

tneva82 wrote:
New codexes will come anyway new edition or not. If you think you can avoid GW pressing "print me money" button new codex is just by having new codex out you are gravely mistaken.

I can avoid it by ignoring the next edtion

if they do a 180° turn on the current rules, I might give them the chance and buy in again, but for now there is a clear "no".

tneva82 wrote:

macluvin wrote:
First of all who actually plays casually. Second no way in hell are they dropping news of a new edition unless this is “8.5 lol you got the beta rules to shut you up about 7th” Edition which it isn’t. Here’s to hoping what they actually put out are Gorgeous models though. Maybe they are overhauling a Xenos faction. Maybe it’s more primaricrap. Maybe it’s vanilla marines. Maybe it’s the secret krabby paddy formula... anyone got that by the way?

'As hard as it might be for tournament try hards to imagine not everybody is interested in pretending 40k is some esport competive game. 40k and competive don't even fit into it. You cannot play 40k on really competively.

I think tournaments are the only place were 40k is playable at all
not because it is super competitive or some kind of e-sport, but there are clear rules from the TO, everyone who goes there knows about them and it is clear for everyone what is going to happen

and tournaments are they only reason to play 40k at all
if I want to see nice 40k armies, Epic or Apocalypse are the better rules to do it
if I just care about the fluff and not the army size there is Kill Team and Necromunda
model builder and painter, there is the Horus Heresy

all of them are better than 40k, and they only reason not to get into those is because 40k is the only game were you get the major tournaments with your existing collection

if I just want to have a fun game with my friends, there are better games and rules out there you caqn proxy with your models

but of course if you only care about e-sports like Wargames, there are better ones and at the moment there is no reason to start with 40k at all as there is nothing the game is really good at.

 kodos wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
New codexes will come anyway new edition or not. If you think you can avoid GW pressing "print me money" button new codex is just by having new codex out you are gravely mistaken.

I can avoid it by ignoring the next edtion

if they do a 180° turn on the current rules, I might give them the chance and buy in again, but for now there is a clear "no".

tneva82 wrote:

macluvin wrote:
First of all who actually plays casually. Second no way in hell are they dropping news of a new edition unless this is “8.5 lol you got the beta rules to shut you up about 7th” Edition which it isn’t. Here’s to hoping what they actually put out are Gorgeous models though. Maybe they are overhauling a Xenos faction. Maybe it’s more primaricrap. Maybe it’s vanilla marines. Maybe it’s the secret krabby paddy formula... anyone got that by the way?

'As hard as it might be for tournament try hards to imagine not everybody is interested in pretending 40k is some esport competive game. 40k and competive don't even fit into it. You cannot play 40k on really competively.

I think tournaments are the only place were 40k is playable at all
not because it is super competitive or some kind of e-sport, but there are clear rules from the TO, everyone who goes there knows about them and it is clear for everyone what is going to happen

and tournaments are they only reason to play 40k at all
if I want to see nice 40k armies, Epic or Apocalypse are the better rules to do it
if I just care about the fluff and not the army size there is Kill Team and Necromunda
model builder and painter, there is the Horus Heresy

all of them are better than 40k, and they only reason not to get into those is because 40k is the only game were you get the major tournaments with your existing collection

if I just want to have a fun game with my friends, there are better games and rules out there you caqn proxy with your models

but of course if you only care about e-sports like Wargames, there are better ones and at the moment there is no reason to start with 40k at all as there is nothing the game is really good at.

There is a lot of weird stuff in here, starting with:

"and tournaments are they only reason to play 40k at all
if I want to see nice 40k armies, Epic or Apocalypse are the better rules to do it
if I just care about the fluff and not the army size there is Kill Team and Necromunda
model builder and painter, there is the Horus Heresy"

Epic - isn't an existing supported game and you can't buy the models
Apocalypse - not everyone has a table bigger than 6x4 or 4k armies to run it with
Regards necromunda or kill team - good games but sometimes you do want to use more minis as the fluff doesn't only exist at squad level
Horus heresy is prohibitively expensive to start from scratch for most people with a FW army

I don't attend tournaments, I have regular opponents who aren't a-holes, we have reasonably equal understanding of rules, we amicably resolve and queries or issues that come up. Be a human, you shouldn't need a TO to monitor and admin every game you play just by applying basic human interaction.

 kodos wrote:


I think tournaments are the only place were 40k is playable at all
not because it is super competitive or some kind of e-sport, but there are clear rules from the TO, everyone who goes there knows about them and it is clear for everyone what is going to happen

and tournaments are they only reason to play 40k at all
if I want to see nice 40k armies, Epic or Apocalypse are the better rules to do it
if I just care about the fluff and not the army size there is Kill Team and Necromunda
model builder and painter, there is the Horus Heresy

all of them are better than 40k, and they only reason not to get into those is because 40k is the only game were you get the major tournaments with your existing collection

if I just want to have a fun game with my friends, there are better games and rules out there you caqn proxy with your models

but of course if you only care about e-sports like Wargames, there are better ones and at the moment there is no reason to start with 40k at all as there is nothing the game is really good at.

Honestly it just sounds like you don't like 40K at all. Neither as a casual game nor a as competitive game, so I don't get why you feel you need to shoe-horn it into being competitive only. Clear rules don't require a TO, in fact most TO packages only make minor modifications to the rules if any; everything else is still the core game rules that you agree to play with your opponent as normal.
If you don't like the rules and feel that the HH models are better and feel that other games do everything better why are you worried about the newest news for 40K? It just sounds like you're tormenting yourself with a game you've moved on from.

BrianDavion wrote:

John D Law wrote:
I said it already in the Pariah thread. It’s Necrons vs Astra Militarum( most likely Catachans) Silent King will be separate box set on special command barge (think Vect) big box set will have new Necron “pariah” like Unit.

And I seem to recall asking for your source on that. if it is necrons vs guard it strikes me as.... unlikely it'll be a 9th edition box launch. we've never seen a starter set sans marines

And this kids is why we had(still have? Doesn't look like it's been updated in a while.) the Dakka rumour tracker. Want to make a bold claim like the above? Then put your money where your mouth is and you can see how accurate you truly are and if you can be trusted in the future.