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 Kanluwen wrote:

gungo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love that he posted that article on 5/22...when we literally had someone posting a retailer sheet here on Dakka the day before that shows how frigging wrong he is.

Orks are $36. Gretchin are $18.

So what’s the new price for Gretchin. The current price is $18

Then that's probably the new price...or it's a new SKU.

There's a few items like that, such as the Techpriest Dominus, which are listed as changing but the change is the same price as before.

With the Gretchin, apparently the UK price changed (a little), but not the US price. I guess that's why they were listed.

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 Arbitrator wrote:

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 scarletsquig wrote:
Mantic celebrates the price change in their own sassy way, a 15% off coupon on everything for the rest of the month:

https://www.manticgames.com/news/heads-up-price-adjustment/

Wow that will.be like a percentage for each person who plays their systems

That's why they have multiple game systems and a constant stream of new/updated models, as well as a third edition of their flagship game out.

And I'm sure all 15 customers will be pleased to hear you say that.

I've never even heard of Mantic...

 Togusa wrote:

Obispudkenobi wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

Obispudkenobi wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Mantic celebrates the price change in their own sassy way, a 15% off coupon on everything for the rest of the month:

https://www.manticgames.com/news/heads-up-price-adjustment/

Wow that will.be like a percentage for each person who plays their systems

That's why they have multiple game systems and a constant stream of new/updated models, as well as a third edition of their flagship game out.

And I'm sure all 15 customers will be pleased to hear you say that.

I've never even heard of Mantic...

Allow me...
another UK based gaming company that produces it's own games and range of models, it very much hangs off the disillusionment of disgruntled GW customers who have moved away due to pricing or the scrapping of Warhammer. It's model range is a bit hit and miss but at a far better price. Mantic regularly make tongue in cheek announcements after GW have done so.
The creator of Mantic (Ronnie Renton) is a nice guy who attends gaming shows and replies to emails
Several people mock them on here, personally I don't see them as anything more than an alternative.

And it's relevant in this thread I believe as with another GW price adjustment Mantic may well pick up some more customers.

It is no surprise that the GW faithful does not know about Mantic. GW has done a Kimmy Schmidt on them so they have no idea what is going on outside the bomb shelter.

 Tokhuah wrote:
It is no surprise that the GW faithful does not know about Mantic. GW has done a Kimmy Schmidt on them so they have no idea what is going on outside the bomb shelter.

Its mostly that game stores in the states don't regularly stock Mantic products, and can (or at least used to) have a hard time ordering their products.
It really has nothing to do with GW.... much like a thread about GW prices has nothing to do with Mantic.

Local stores have nothing to do with it. This is the information age and everything is on the internet, therefore people should know everything. Seriously though, I know about Mantic because I am a gamer who is constantly looking around the internet for what is happening in the wider community, not a GW gamer who plops into the Warhammer Community page to be informed... A source that provides the same fair and balanced perspective of gaming as *** news.

 Tokhuah wrote:
Local stores have nothing to do with it. This is the information age and everything is on the internet, therefore people should know everything. Seriously though, I know about Mantic because I am a gamer who is constantly looking around the internet for what is happening in the wider community, not a GW gamer who plops into the Warhammer Community page to be informed... A source that provides the same fair and balanced perspective of gaming as *** news.

What do you expect Warhammer Community to do? Talk about Privateer Press? Mantic? Knight Models?

Don't be dense. And yeah, local stores have everything to do with it here in the US. If it is not stocked or played regularly in a local independent shop? It probably won't get traction or be looked into further.

I might be mixing them up, but wasn't Mantic the game end of a webstore that went belly up and left a lot of dissatisfied customers?

No that’s totally incorrect.

 Overread wrote:
I might be mixing them up, but wasn't Mantic the game end of a webstore that went belly up and left a lot of dissatisfied customers?

I think that's Mierce? Maybe? Not sure...it's been awhile.

Yes, it was Malestrom Games and Mierce, but there’s no reason to talk about it ITT.

Mantic exists, to some degree, because of GW’s decade-long era of anti-customer policies prior to the Roundtree era. During that time, many gamers became a lot more savvy about this hobby beyond the boundaries of GW.

Mantic exists because metachasers want cheaper stuff and the metachasers don't care about quality.

Their whole schtick is and always will be "generic stuff that can be repped in GW--but cheaper!". Don't try to spin this as "gamers became more savvy". People still try to spin Infinity as a super cheap game because it has free rules--while ignoring that their consumer friendliness in products is basically nonexistent.

You want to talk about a fandom that's effectively blind to the company & pricing? Look no further than Corvus Belli.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Mantic exists because metachasers want cheaper stuff and the metachasers don't care about quality.

Their whole schtick is and always will be "generic stuff that can be repped in GW--but cheaper!". Don't try to spin this as "gamers became more savvy". People still try to spin Infinity as a super cheap game because it has free rules--while ignoring that their consumer friendliness in products is basically nonexistent.

You want to talk about a fandom that's effectively blind to the company & pricing? Look no further than Corvus Belli.

Still cannot get my head round some of the things you defend GW for when Corvus Belli can do literally no right in your eyes. GW are no more consumer friendly a company than CB are.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Still cannot get my head round some of the things you defend GW for when Corvus Belli can do literally no right in your eyes. GW are no more consumer friendly a company than CB are.

Difference is that GW doesn't pretend to be your buddy. GW doesn't purposely stifle their growth and use the "we're just a small time group..." excuse as cover whenever they have issues. They also don't pretend that it would be some exorbitant thing to start adding extra parts into the boxes.

Also, pretty sure I've never said that GW is "consumer friendly".

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Still cannot get my head round some of the things you defend GW for when Corvus Belli can do literally no right in your eyes. GW are no more consumer friendly a company than CB are.

Difference is that GW doesn't pretend to be your buddy. GW doesn't purposely stifle their growth and use the "we're just a small time group..." excuse.

Also, pretty sure I've never said that GW is "consumer friendly".

Yeah, sure. GW in this age of community site and social media (which I enjoy, personally) are definitely not pretending to ‘be your buddy’.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Yeah, sure. GW in this age of community site and social media (which I enjoy, personally) are definitely not pretending to ‘be your buddy’.

People wanted interaction from them. That's what this is.

Personally, I don't view it as them pretending to 'be your buddy'. It's no different than CB or PP's articles.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It’s no different than CB

Literally my point Kan.

Funny, i heard about Mantic about the time Gw destroyed the game i was playing and offered me an alternative using the models i had sold off already while also being more affordable in general.

and infinity with free rules probably isn't where any savings come from- unless the games scale has changed from when i was looking into Aleph. now Scale is a better show of savings instead of the considering just about anyone is wowed by the scale of a common GW game (referring to 40k and older fantasy here- thats what i got drawn in by), then probably is a least a little put off by the pricing.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Mantic exists because metachasers want cheaper stuff and the metachasers don't care about quality.

Their whole schtick is and always will be "generic stuff that can be repped in GW--but cheaper!". Don't try to spin this as "gamers became more savvy". People still try to spin Infinity as a super cheap game because it has free rules--while ignoring that their consumer friendliness in products is basically nonexistent.

You want to talk about a fandom that's effectively blind to the company & pricing? Look no further than Corvus Belli.

I’m not a metachaser. I was I to GW for the setting and the minis. Manchu is right: GW pushes away a lot of people, including me, leading to a much more savvy group of gamers. Mantic does well because they’ve managed to take their origin as a source of discount miniatures and expand with a lot of new games, many well-received, better minis, and a positive attitude towards customers.

No one brought up Infinity in this thread but you.

Infinity was used as an example of the nonsensical argument of "gamers became more savvy".

Well, I missed that one.

Anyway, more savvy gamers being more aware of the competition is certainly a thing that happened. Look at the boom of small and mid-tier wargames that emerged during the Kirby years. Look at Kickstarter and the “deluxe” board game boom.

You're right in that I might be overstating that it's "nonsense", but gamers becoming more aware of the competition is not the same thing as becoming "more savvy" in my opinion.

What word would you use to describe players who become more aware of the larger world or miniature games, more aware of options they have both to save money and explore alternate settings and rule sets, and more aware of opinions counter to those experienced in GW stores and on GW boards/fan sites?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
What word would you use to describe players who become more aware of the larger world or miniature games, more aware of options they have both to save money and explore alternate settings and rule sets, and more aware of opinions counter to those experienced in GW stores and on GW boards/fan sites?

'Aware'

I'm still not sure why they wouldn't go to GW's warhammer site to hear about warhammer releases though.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Well, I missed that one.

No, you didn’t. You were right, it was his own example. Meanwhile in reality:

Anyway, more savvy gamers being more aware of the competition is certainly a thing that happened. Look at the boom of small and mid-tier wargames that emerged during the Kirby years. Look at Kickstarter and the “deluxe” board game boom.

Exactly. GW makes lovely things that I really like. But I’m far far, far past the stage where GW was the only or even the primary company on my hobby radar.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
What word would you use to describe players who become more aware of the larger world or miniature games, more aware of options they have both to save money and explore alternate settings and rule sets, and more aware of opinions counter to those experienced in GW stores and on GW boards/fan sites?

Well, I'd probably go with "aware of other options" for one?

Manchu, you're the person in question who stated that "gamers have become more savvy". I used the example of Infinity directly in relation to that--because to this day, people still try to spin it as a "super cheap game" because of free rules(which is true), a free army builder(which is also true), "anything can do anything!"(it can't--lists matter despite the insistence of those folk who try so hard to spin things) and "lower model count"(which is kinda/sorta true).

The problem with that is you end up chasing the meta hard whenever they change things up. The whole of the Infinity Tournament System(which is effectively the de facto playstyle, because groups get prize support in the form of exclusive models from it) is specifically set up to change the meta and make people change their lists...which ends up involving (shock!) buying things.

Nothing says "I'm losing this argument" than trying to bog it down in semantics.

The reason I say savvy is because customers not only became aware of the hobby beyond GW but also started to develop a different sense of value for cost.

@Kan, I am always wary of the “it’s really cheap” argument for any miniatures game, because there is (if nothing else) always the question of terrain.

 Tokhuah wrote:
This is the information age and everything is on the internet.

Not forgetting the White Dwarf magazine is usually sitting besides 6 other Wargaming magazines in the store.
So even without Internet you'd have to be pretty tunnel visioned to not see what's surrounding it on the shelf.

How does that change the fact that I don't want a single thing Mantic offers? Their models are ugly and I don't care about their games.