40k 9th edition, : App released page 413

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**Mr Morden**

Iracundus wrote:
The front cover of Rites of Passage also has a dark skinned female Navigator on the cover. While diversity of characters is a good thing in general, it just seems forced to ram it in readers' faces as if ticking off the required diversity tickboxes.

Rites of Passage is a great read.

Now if all the characters had been black or female "Maybe" you "might" have had a point... Surely we dont just want white guys on the covers do we?

If not When is it a good time to do it? Damned if you do damned if you dn't

Colour and gender is mostly irrelvenat in 40k for the Imperium with only the Sisters (both kinds), Astartes and Custodes (?) being mono gender.

Anyway back to the cool images and vids hoepfully

**Sgt_Smudge**

Iracundus wrote:While diversity of characters is a good thing in general, it just seems forced to ram it in readers' faces as if ticking off the required diversity tickboxes.

Or, just maybe, non-white people can exist without it being some kind of diversity quota.

As I said above, yikes.

H.B.M.C. wrote:We've not seen a dark-skinned Ultramarine before.

I'm fairly sure there's been painted ones. I seem to remember one of the Space Marine heroes has a noticably darker skintone, I think.

**Danny76**

The cover just looks like a blend between normal ones, and the Warhammer adventures younger audience books.

On whoever mentioned the subject of new models for Necrons, not sure that the monolith is new, I don’t think it’s just everything in picture necessarily..
But then again, it’s not great quality and small on my screen too.

**Iracundus**

dienekes96 wrote:
Take a look at the key art for Warhammer or Warhammer 40k over the past 35 years. Look for non-white males. I say this with no judgment. I watched Star Wars recently, and that literally had no black people in it and very few women. It wasn’t malicious, mind you. It just was.

So forgive me for being pleased about seeing a black Ultramarine or Sisters featured so prominently. I’m a white guy, like almost everyone in this hobby. But seeing a bunch of different faces expands the galaxy in my eyes. I remember being excited a few years ago when the new Deathwatch kit had a bare head that was clearly that of a black man. My identity is well served in this hobby, in the art, in the entire sci-fantasy genre. It’s nice to see other folks get a chance to see themselves in the art, and therefore the universe.

Not everyone that posts here is white or male. Don't make assumptions.

The old Salamanders having African phenotypes was a good change for example and I was disappointed by their retcon into literally coal skinned. Portrayal of diversity can be done in more subtle fashion.

**GaroRobe**

Yeah. Space Marine heroes had the captain with darker skin. And maybe another marine as well

**Sgt_Smudge**

dienekes96 wrote: It’s nice to see other folks get a chance to see themselves in the art, and therefore the universe.

Aye, and I'd prefer it a lot more if we just accepted that instead of "it's fulfilling a diversity quota".

**Sasori**

Can we please take the Diversity topic Elsewhere?

**Kdash**

Oooh, sounds like ITC etc formats are going to disappear and be replaced by 1 overarching format.

And a new 40k app ready for the new edition... Thank

finally!

**H.B.M.C.**

This is all so vague. Actually give some details damn it!

dienekes96 wrote:
It’s nice to see other folks get a chance to see themselves in the art, and therefore the universe.

Representation is important for children. Adults who need to see themselves in fictional works just strike me as odd.

But, 40K has a heavy amount of children who play, so increasing representation is not bad nor is it an transparent attempt at signalling one's virtue.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

App?

App???

But what does it do?

**Sasori**

Kdash wrote:
Oooh, sounds like ITC etc formats are going to disappear and be replaced by 1 overarching format.

Yeah, that's what I gathered as well.

**Crimson**

Iracundus wrote:
Having a black Space Marine and a female Naval officer also seems to be a bit of political correctness/diversity but seems a bit forced in your face to me.

Real world must seem 'forced and in your face' to you as well.

**Danny76**

Actually that’s very different the monolith thing.

Will just wait for ungrainy pictures..

**Mr Morden**

Iracundus wrote:
dienekes96 wrote:
Take a look at the key art for Warhammer or Warhammer 40k over the past 35 years. Look for non-white males. I say this with no judgment. I watched Star Wars recently, and that literally had no black people in it and very few women. It wasn’t malicious, mind you. It just was.

So forgive me for being pleased about seeing a black Ultramarine or Sisters featured so prominently. I’m a white guy, like almost everyone in this hobby. But seeing a bunch of different faces expands the galaxy in my eyes. I remember being excited a few years ago when the new Deathwatch kit had a bare head that was clearly that of a black man. My identity is well served in this hobby, in the art, in the entire sci-fantasy genre. It’s nice to see other folks get a chance to see themselves in the art, and therefore the universe.

Not everyone that posts here is white or male. Don't make assumptions.

The old Salamanders having African phenotypes was a good change for example and I was disappointed by their retcon into literally coal skinned. Portrayal of diversity can be done in more subtle fashion.

He is, I am - we are happy with it. Its not the most exciting cover they have done, but objecting to having a diverse line reclecting accurately a diverse universe is....odd

**endlesswaltz123**

Interesting that they seem to have potentially sacked the ITC crowd off from the play testing pool. Absolutely the right decision when it was basically a different game.

**Lord Damocles**

They've included campaign and experience rules. It's literally third edition all over again!

**Danny76**

Tanks shooting in combat. Excellent.

**changemod**

We know they have stuff to preview this time, we know they had at least a month to set this up, why is there so much dead air

**Kdash**

Tanks can shoot in combat, terrain updates and starting with more CP! Sounding good!

**nintura**

Wow, gg Nids I guess. Explosive weapons deal maximum hits.....

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Intriguing.....definitely want more.

**Kdash**

Changes to tactical reserves, big guns do max shots to hordes and aircraft sound like they can fly on and off the board!

**H.B.M.C.**

Hey, some actual details. Kinda. That first point didn't mean anything, but still, tanks and terrain. Yay.

**Danny76**

New white board from Pete..

Search it people. Tell me all!

**Nostromodamus**

nintura wrote:
Wow, gg Nids I guess. Explosive weapons deal maximum hits.....

To “hordes”. Maybe units above a certain size get “horde” status and rules?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

More whiteboard trolling.

**lord_blackfang**

Well, I know this is all marketing hype, but they managed to not say anything stupid so far.

**H.B.M.C.**

Danny76 wrote:
New white board from Pete..

Search it people. Tell me all!

Things to do today:

1. Build plastic Thunderhawk.
2. Write rules for Angron.
3. Confirm Dark Angels are actually the best!

Iracundus wrote:
I never said increasing diversity of representation was bad and all those flinging accusations need to learn how to read as they have completely missed the point, but there is doing so in a good fashion and being ham handed about it, which can be grating in and of itself.

Oh I agree, but GW has never struck me as the type of company to be ham-handed about it. They're not Marvel Comics.

**Sgt_Smudge**

Really excited for Crusade rules. Sounds like a lot of fun.

**Danny76**

Excellent thank you