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 dienekes96 wrote:
The bottom circle on the right appears to be the new big Necron on the website. The green circle on the far right appears to be the Silent King.

it's hard to tell, because it looks like we are getting several spider legged Necrons.

1. We have the one with the sword that featured prominently in the trailer, and that there are likely multiple builds for the kit

2. We have the one at the end of the trailer which is on the website, but in the trailer looks like it should be a lot larger than what's in the pic.

If I had to guess, I would say the one in the pic is an alternate build of #1

EDIT: It could also be Szeras.

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
So are these new units or characters?

Hard to say but it could be that it is actually just a one model but with its arms and head posed diffenrently.

Can't say I'm hot about GW doing the whole decrepit theme on space undead with those faces in disrepair. What if people had instead wanted to go space Terminator with gleaming fresh metal skeletons?

Then they can probably do that with the full kit when it comes out?

But it's nice to have something further differentiating Warriors from Immortals.

So still not sure where the images of the bikes came from? But they certainly confirm the blurry image from before, and I bet we'll see that image in the new rulebook as I stated you wouldn't see BA and Ultras together unless a group shot in a rulebook.

And yes, as predicted from PA1...Necron is the new big bad. Liking the new look even if I won't be getting myself.

Wait, hold up. So they dedicated an entire teaser to the silent king and now we only get another trailer for his model? We don't get to see the whole thing? That's....slightly underwhelming.

I don't mind the tatty Necrons too much - I was always a fan of the artwork from the 4th ed. rulebook; and degraded Necrons are nothing new conceptually - but it is odd that big bits seem to have just fallen off the Warriors, and that one looks to have a big cable hanging out of it's chest cavity which the others don't have.
Also it's going to look odd if only the Warriors are battered up and Lychguard/Immortals etc are all solid and undamaged.

I'd have preferred optional damaged parts, which to be fair still might be a possibility.

Presumably there will also be a new Scarabs kit which we haven't seen yet.

Tiberias wrote:
Wait, hold up. So they dedicated an entire teaser to the silent king and now we only get another trailer for his model? We don't get to see the whole thing? That's....slightly underwhelming.

Blame Corona - GW has likely got to split this up and spread it out. Dont' forget we are several months behind on releases - there's already two new AoS armies waiting to come out.

Sasori- If they are, I could barely notice them. Their backs look more like turtle shells than actual bodies.

Brook- ehhhh....needs 47% more pouting.

 Overread wrote:

Tiberias wrote:
Wait, hold up. So they dedicated an entire teaser to the silent king and now we only get another trailer for his model? We don't get to see the whole thing? That's....slightly underwhelming.

Blame Corona - GW has likely got to split this up and spread it out. Dont' forget we are several months behind on releases - there's already two new AoS armies waiting to come out.

Pretty much spot on 2 month delay.

Iracundus wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The preview mentions a few things that are very, very worrying to me - " the unfolding story of Warhammer 40,000", "THE story of Warhammer 40,000" ,"the ongoing story of the 41st Millennium".

"Warhammer 40,000" was never a story. It was never meant to be a story and I think making it one defeats the whole intent of it. It's was designed as a backdrop to tell stories within, something where progression, stories, characters, locations, events etc would be contained and happen *within the setting, rather than to the setting. Turning W40K overall into some sort of ongoing narrative is something that completely side-steps that idea of what it is and is for, but it's a little hard to explain why I feel this is just a terrible idea. It might seem like a relatively subtle change on the surface but it's like it changes it from a vehicle to be used to allow narratives and keep aspects of them grounded by the surrounding setting itself, to now it's stories within stories where instead of those things taking place inside the backdrop of W40K, they're now driving W40K - rather than the setting affects the things happening within it, it's the other way around. The anchored backstory that encapsulates things isn't there anymore.

It really is difficult to quantify my thoughts on it. There really isn't any other thing I Know of that's even like it. All the other universes I can think of - Halo, Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica etc - have the opposite purpose of W40K. In those cases the narrative being told via the movie/show/whatever whatever is the important part , It's like that was the main story, with the other aspects of the setting being supplementary material surrounding that. With W40K, it was the other way around - a setting first, to tell stories within. The lore surrounding the Star Wars movies is guided by the movies, that backstory wasn't the story of Star Wars in itself.

Making W40K into an ongoing story just seems to go against what it was intended for.

There has always been progression in the stories of characters within 40K, such as Tycho. The problem lies in the over the top characters that are now appearing on boards or novels as we know they are not going to be killed off or even suffer significant defeat. That kind of removes any sense of danger or threat. It also bends the story of their faction to be too much about themselves personally. Vect dominates the Dark Eldar, a handful of Eldar characters does the same for the Craftworlds, Ghaz for Orks, Shadowsun and Farsight for the Tau, etc...

Yes, characters, locations, events etc progressed, those in themselves were the the developing aspects of the setting. The setting itself wasn't ongoing, there was no overarching "This is the story of Warhammer 40,000 that is slowly being told to us" type of thing. W40k was meant to be a setting - a contained, established, defined conglomeration of key elements of lore to use as a backdrop to stories being told within that setting. It was meant to be a defined set of boundaries to provide an overall static universe to guide narratives inside that universe, not be something that itself progressed.

It's like before W40K was a Venn Diagram. Different objects within the bubble of "W40K" which would link together and have stories within those links that would progress on their own time, but that encompassing "W40K" being the same for all of them on the macro scale. If "W40K" is an ongoing story, it instead changes to a running timeline containing timelines of timelines - W40K as a ongoing story means all the things in that story also have to be have a progressing timeline, which means each ongoing aspect of those stories has to have their own timeline too, and all that's also pushing the main timeline of W40K in a reciprocal loop. It's changed from defined and static where for example "Abbadon's story is contained within the setting of W40K" to "Abbadons Story is driving the W40K setting" - events within it push the main thing, rather than the other way around as befits what a setting/backdrop is for. It's gone from "These are the defined boundaries of W40K, tell what you want within those boundaries" to "Balls rolling on it all. Everything gotta keep going. Can't stop now.".

This shifts the focus from stories, characters etc within the setting, to the setting as a story itself, in a way, and I don't think that's a good thing to do with something meant to be a guiding device to tell stories in. With something like W40K the setting should guide stories/characters/events and things be contained to it, not the other way around where that stuff is instead pushing at those boundaries and changing them in the big picture - a setting to restrain stories rather than stories to push a setting, there's a bit of difference in what the important part is between the 2 ideas.

Lord Damocles wrote:I don't mind the tatty Necrons too much - I was always a fan of the artwork from the 4th ed. rulebook; and degraded Necrons are nothing new conceptually - but it is odd that big bits seem to have just fallen off the Warriors, and that one looks to have a big cable hanging out of it's chest cavity which the others don't have.
Also it's going to look odd if only the Warriors are battered up and Lychguard/Immortals etc are all solid and undamaged.

I'd have preferred optional damaged parts, which to be fair still might be a possibility.

Presumably there will also be a new Scarabs kit which we haven't seen yet.

Lore-wise you can justify this, because Necron warriors were the peasants of Necron Socity, and got the weakest bodies. Lychguard were among the highest in the ranks of society, so got nearly the best bodies.

Overread wrote:

Tiberias wrote:
Wait, hold up. So they dedicated an entire teaser to the silent king and now we only get another trailer for his model? We don't get to see the whole thing? That's....slightly underwhelming.

Blame Corona - GW has likely got to split this up and spread it out. Dont' forget we are several months behind on releases - there's already two new AoS armies waiting to come out.

Yeah, I'm sure we were going to get a bunch of teasers before all the big events got cancelled. It would have flowed a lot more smoothly.

parakuribo wrote:Sasori- If they are, I could barely notice them. Their backs look more like turtle shells than actual bodies.

Brook- ehhhh....needs 47% more pouting.

Yeah, I'm leaning toward flayed ones, because they are the last of the finecast units besides special characters and badly need a new kit. They kind of look like it from the pics as well.

The more I think on it, if they were going the whole Space Egyptian route, the Silent King might have been better off with a Pharaoh deathmask like Tutankhamun. One would expect no expense would be spared in crafting that physical form, maybe with representation of how he looked in life and as a reminder of what was lost.

Yep plus don't forget the whole time GW is having to balance 2 months without the factory running as well as the slowed release cycle. Ontop of that is restrictions on how many workers they have have in areas at once and also the constant risk of a potential second massive lockdown which could close them up again.

IT's not an easy balancing act teasing out info whilst also wanting to hold some back.

Iracundus wrote:
The more I think on it, if they were going the whole Space Egyptian route, the Silent King might have been better off with a Pharaoh deathmask like Tutankhamun. One would expect no expense would be spared in crafting that physical form, maybe with representation of how he looked in life and as a reminder of what was lost.

Instead he got a mask of Sanguinius' face.

Presumably the model will forget that detail...

Going by the rest of his description in Word of the Silent King, he should have a non-skeletal body though.

They're probably forget that too...

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Why is everything blurry? Have we not learned to take better pictures?

Those bikers are awesome at least. Wonder what the non-options they'll have.

Anything actually said about the rules?

Those early images were not from GW but were leaks.

There is a theory that these blurry leaks are planted by GW to encourage speculation without giving the whole game away since a real leaker would have no trouble producing 100% accurate copies.


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 wuestenfux wrote:

 dienekes96 wrote:
The bottom circle on the right appears to be the new big Necron on the website. The green circle on the far right appears to be the Silent King.

Holy crap.
GW finally managed to design some new Necron models.

More than that, the 2nd edition bikes are getting replaced!

They're older than some posters here!

On reflection, I think they’re trying to bring back a bit of the 2nd edition Necron punky feel, but with modern sleekness to blend it in better.

Compare these:

Blanche's early Necron concepts were bad, and the Quake boss looks bad too.

I was hoping for a plastic Thunderhawk in the old FW style.

Very disappointed. A Primaris with a chainsword and mutated pistol... ok I can do that with some clippers.

Oh man, those Necrons are awesome! That for-no-reason mega blurry leaked image has got me super pumped! So Giger-esk!

 Overread wrote:

Tiberias wrote:
Wait, hold up. So they dedicated an entire teaser to the silent king and now we only get another trailer for his model? We don't get to see the whole thing? That's....slightly underwhelming.

Blame Corona - GW has likely got to split this up and spread it out. Dont' forget we are several months behind on releases - there's already two new AoS armies waiting to come out.

I'll blame GW Marketing for putting a WHC post about "A Regal Return" on the 10th of May, pointing to today's reveal, and then not actually handling such a reveal properly.

That's not Corona, that's bad marketing.

I hope they have Becca linned up for the "How to Play"!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Why is everything blurry? Have we not learned to take better pictures?

Those bikers are awesome at least. Wonder what the non-options they'll have.

Anything actually said about the rules?

Those early images were not from GW but were leaks.

There is a theory that these blurry leaks are planted by GW to encourage speculation without giving the whole game away since a real leaker would have no trouble producing 100% accurate copies.


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 wuestenfux wrote:

 dienekes96 wrote:
The bottom circle on the right appears to be the new big Necron on the website. The green circle on the far right appears to be the Silent King.

Holy crap.
GW finally managed to design some new Necron models.

More than that, the 2nd edition bikes are getting replaced!

They're older than some posters here!

Not really replaced as such, these new bikes are primaris.


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 Lord Damocles wrote:
Blanche's early Necron concepts were bad, and the Quake boss looks bad too.

There’s something to take from it, I think, it’s just awkward to start adding now when Necrons are already struggling with several conflicting design directions.

The 3 legged necron is kinda of terrible. The more I look at it, the more it reminds me of a drawing I'd make when I was 10, and I don't mean that in a good way.

It looks like they just kept tacking on weapons and limbs until they ran out of space. He looks like he was designed by committee.

He's pooping out a third leg, he has a massive blade under his massive gun while the other side has a mOrE biGgEr hand.

The warriors seem cool, nothing too radical, although I did predict they would have a new gun in the kit which I 100% am calling now will be the better weapon so they can twist existing players arms into buying more. That's fine though.

New monolith looks dope.

New C'tan looks promising from whats there and the Silent king is a great concept. I was dreading a diorama piece on the ground, but this looks more like a Catacomb Command Barge+++++++PLUS! So it makes sense.

The spindle drone looking models I am on the fence with. It's basically a stretched out Stalker with a DDcanon for a head. Seems weird.

I am excited though.

Slipspace wrote:
They're doing a great job of dragging this out...

"Tune in for our big reveal!!! It will be the biggest ever!!! Watch as we reveal 20% of what you actually tuned into see, with us promising that more will be revealed at our next reveal... Which will be the biggest reveal ever!"

I am so glad I stopped watching that stream 5 minutes in. It's now 2+ hours later and they've barely shown more new models. Their Q&A about the new edition similarly told us absolutely nothing. "We have a new edition coming. You don't have to use it, but you should. But like, give us your email address so we can spam you with more drip-fed advertising masquerading as content. Also, we haven't yet squatted your old marines. But like... We just gave primaris chainswords, so like... Don't hold your breath."

-edit- I stand corrected. There's a new 3 legged necron which looks terribly designed (Ie, designed to appeal to 12 year olds). "Okay, so we gave it 3 legs, that's different right? What else would be cool? How about a giant axe. Yeah... Yeah... But like, he should also be able to shoot, so give him a gun. But it should be giant too because that's cool right? A giant gun AND a giant axe? Isn't that too much? Nah, it just shows how dead 'ard he is! Should we have them held on the opposite sides of the model to balance their weight out? Actually, forget that, it will look that much TOUGHER if they're on one side, making it look like he will fall over with how TOUGH he is." Ugh.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I hope they have Becca linned up for the "How to Play"!

I completely forgot about her... I'm not sure that if I were a teenager just getting into the hobby, that I'd like to be shown how to play by "my big sister" kinda thing.
Ya know, because that's not cool. XD


Also I have successfully skipped 8th Edition!

They mentioned in the preview that "Tanks could get locked in combat by infantry units like Grots! And couldn't shoot!?" Only "punching" the infantry with their hulls!?
What was going in in 8th?

If they were going to preview a book couldn't it have been the new Forge World books instead of another Guy Haley novel? Oh well, I guess anything that keeps him as far away from the Eighth Legion as possible is a good thing.

 Red Corsair wrote:
The 3 legged necron is kinda of terrible. The more I look at it, the more it reminds me of a drawing I'd make when I was 10, and I don't mean that in a good way.

It looks like they just kept tacking on weapons and limbs until they ran out of space. He looks like he was designed by committee.

He's pooping out a third leg, he has a massive blade under his massive gun while the other side has a mOrE biGgEr hand.

I don't mind him being a tripod. I think it opens a potentially interesting design space beyond "they are robot humans doing things humans would do but you know, are robots".
Having basically said "why not more spidery stuff" since the Triarch Stalker - I think its fine.

But... yeah. Why the three arms? The result is a model that looks unbalanced and stupid.
Design room:
"He's got a gun and a claw. But that's not enough, he needs another gun and a sort of pole-axe thing for extra shooting and punching"
"Uh... four arms seems a bit much. Also moving into Tyranid territory."
"How about... combine the two and have one gun-axe arm that would be horrible to use in real life?"
".... screw it, I have to leave in five minutes. Done."

Just seems like if you had a big pole-arm axe thing held in the claw-hand, and and then the top gun held in the right, it would look a lot more sensible.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I hope they have Becca linned up for the "How to Play"!

The fake excitement from GW staffers on stream was bad enough. Could do without her obnoxiously exaggerated ticks at saying every other word.

I've seen a lot of people praising the trailer but I fear I'm just not seeing it.

All I saw was a trailer showing that the new Necron units are worthless garbage with useless weapons, no self-repair ability, and are incapable of killing even a single Sister of Battle.

Or, to put it another way, NPC Xeno faction #1846 is inferior to every Imprium faction except for Imperial Guard. Boy oh boy, what a unique story.


In terms of the new Necron models, Warriors look passable but that new 3-legged thing looks awful. I appreciate them finally taking advantage of the fact that Necrons are machines by using less humanoid designs, I just wish they'd used a design that didn't look like it was based on the drawing of a 5-year-old. Why 3 legs? That just seems outright inferior to 4 and for no good reason. And why 3 arms? The blade-arm in particular looks like it serves no function beyond getting in the way of the gun-arm.

Basically this in fact:

 Red Corsair wrote:
The 3 legged necron is kinda of terrible. The more I look at it, the more it reminds me of a drawing I'd make when I was 10, and I don't mean that in a good way.

It looks like they just kept tacking on weapons and limbs until they ran out of space. He looks like he was designed by committee.

He's pooping out a third leg, he has a massive blade under his massive gun while the other side has a mOrE biGgEr hand.