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StarFyre wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
It would be great in Primaris Marines got their own Codex, with these new additions their model line is pretty large. If not, the new Marine Codex is going to be a hefty bugger

Imho, they should have just done the base increase and released primaries. Then as the range got larger slowly phase out the original marine scale.

Primaris just seemed awkward to me in terms of explaining them. That said, I don't read the novels or further lore.

Love the necron stuff. Will have to get some of the models.
Sanjay

I'm fairly convinced they'll be retconned to normal marines at some point, or they'll just drop the primaris word at some point and let the fluff reconcile itself as time goes on.

Tactical marines will be used in an interchangeable fashion with intercessors, bolt rifles will be interchangeable as bolters.

Maybe next edition it will start.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Left hand figure seems to appear in this pic. Bottom left.

I don’t think it’s a new Immortal kit, as we’ve seen those as they are in the big group image.



I’m wondering if it might be an HQ. Squad leader type.

Yeah it could be a new cheap HQ choice, possibly filling a similar sort of role as a Space Marine Lt? Or perhaps a normal Lord but with a gun option.

Lord Zarkov wrote:
The fact that Sisters are also showing as a featured army when the got a Codex this year so are unlikely to get another one so soon makes me think there’s a slim chance the new Marine stuff will be in a supplement type book rather than yet another Codex.

Both Sisters and Marines books share some design beats (e.g. anti-soup mechanisms) that make them appear to be ‘9th ready’ books and Necrons seem to be the first new codex (since there’s a new cover floating round). Perhaps they’ll just release a supplement with the Crusade rules for the first two and all the new data sheets?

The anti soup thing is opposite of 9th ed ready. If core rules already rewards mono adding more to codex(and to just sisters and marines) is just silly.

tneva82 wrote:

Lord Zarkov wrote:
The fact that Sisters are also showing as a featured army when the got a Codex this year so are unlikely to get another one so soon makes me think there’s a slim chance the new Marine stuff will be in a supplement type book rather than yet another Codex.

Both Sisters and Marines books share some design beats (e.g. anti-soup mechanisms) that make them appear to be ‘9th ready’ books and Necrons seem to be the first new codex (since there’s a new cover floating round). Perhaps they’ll just release a supplement with the Crusade rules for the first two and all the new data sheets?

The anti soup thing is opposite of 9th ed ready. If core rules already rewards mono adding more to codex(and to just sisters and marines) is just silly.

I agree but I wondernif by 9th edition ready, they mean 9th is a CC edition as both marines and Sisters have some powerful CC builds that don't exactly excelle in 8th without these mono faction buff upon buff upon buff.
That or 9th is leaning ever harder away from CC.

tneva82 wrote:

Lord Zarkov wrote:
The fact that Sisters are also showing as a featured army when the got a Codex this year so are unlikely to get another one so soon makes me think there’s a slim chance the new Marine stuff will be in a supplement type book rather than yet another Codex.

Both Sisters and Marines books share some design beats (e.g. anti-soup mechanisms) that make them appear to be ‘9th ready’ books and Necrons seem to be the first new codex (since there’s a new cover floating round). Perhaps they’ll just release a supplement with the Crusade rules for the first two and all the new data sheets?

The anti soup thing is opposite of 9th ed ready. If core rules already rewards mono adding more to codex(and to just sisters and marines) is just silly.

Other factions will probably get bonuses when they get their new codexes. Whenever that happens. Of course it would be silly to start with the older codexes.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Lord Zarkov wrote:
The fact that Sisters are also showing as a featured army when the got a Codex this year so are unlikely to get another one so soon makes me think there’s a slim chance the new Marine stuff will be in a supplement type book rather than yet another Codex.

Both Sisters and Marines books share some design beats (e.g. anti-soup mechanisms) that make them appear to be ‘9th ready’ books and Necrons seem to be the first new codex (since there’s a new cover floating round). Perhaps they’ll just release a supplement with the Crusade rules for the first two and all the new data sheets?

The anti soup thing is opposite of 9th ed ready. If core rules already rewards mono adding more to codex(and to just sisters and marines) is just silly.

Other factions will probably get bonuses when they get their new codexes. Whenever that happens. Of course it would be silly to start with the older codexes.

No evidence so far of that. People thought pa gives to others. It didn't. And pouring bonus if you go for bonus is just silly. Marine and sister rule makes sense if core rules don't encourage mono. If they do they are silly.

I have to wonder why people think GW will produce a new Codex Space Marines a year after the last codex when they can just do either a Psychic Awakening-styple supplement or Shadowspear-style codex expansion for all the new units?

Codex Necrons is probably the first new codex on the 9th edition hit list. The last codex was released in March 2018, making it over two years old. We know it is getting a ton of new models that need unit entries. Roll in whatever they do in Pariah along with additional rules expansion that didn't make that cut and you have a codex full of new goodies.

While I don't think 9th is leaning away from CC I also don't expect to see it lean into it either. Sure, CC will be stronger if stuff like sneaking through terrain is a thing, but with changes to vehicles and points may keep it from gaining too much power.

I only expected PA to be a sort of 8.5 update for most books (I didn't expect to see further Marine character options in Faith and Fury though). Basically a get in, give armies every rule that's already done and playtesters, and then get out.

I don't hate the idea, but I feel that Chapter Approved could be a better vehicle for some of these smaller rules updates over a whole campaign setting (especially if said campaign setting lacks rules for playing out the battles it describes).

 alextroy wrote:
I have to wonder why people think GW will produce a new Codex Space Marines a year after the last codex when they can just do either a Psychic Awakening-styple supplement or Shadowspear-style codex expansion for all the new units?

Codex Necrons is probably the first new codex on the 9th edition hit list. The last codex was released in March 2018, making it over two years old. We know it is getting a ton of new models that need unit entries. Roll in whatever they do in Pariah along with additional rules expansion that didn't make that cut and you have a codex full of new goodies.

For new players.

Someone comes in, grabs the starter box, wants to play marines. You want to put a codex in their hand and make the sale. It would be confusing for new players to have to grab 2-3 books to get started.

For old hands, we’d be fine (and probably prefer) just to get a quick patch rather then replace a book so new the ink is still wet.

 alextroy wrote:
I have to wonder why people think GW will produce a new Codex Space Marines a year after the last codex when they can just do either a Psychic Awakening-styple supplement or Shadowspear-style codex expansion for all the new units?

Codex Necrons is probably the first new codex on the 9th edition hit list. The last codex was released in March 2018, making it over two years old. We know it is getting a ton of new models that need unit entries. Roll in whatever they do in Pariah along with additional rules expansion that didn't make that cut and you have a codex full of new goodies.

Honestly I expect a Shadowspear style book in the box for both armies and Necrons having all the rules from their book in the codex when it drops a few weeks later.

The real question is if all the Necron updates in Pariah will also be in there.

Why would you think the updates from Pariah wouldn't be in any new codex?

 alextroy wrote:
I have to wonder why people think GW will produce a new Codex Space Marines a year after the last codex...

Are you new to GW or is this sarcasm?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why would you think the updates from Pariah wouldn't be in any new codex?

Because if they release the codex and Pariah right next to each other and the extra Necron rules are in the codex it's either going to tick off Necron players who bought Pariah, or lead to less sales from those who only buy the books for the rules.


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 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I have to wonder why people think GW will produce a new Codex Space Marines a year after the last codex...

Are you new to GW or is this sarcasm?

I'm not new to GW and I can't remember a time when any codex was replaced inside of a year. Unless it happened in 4th, I was out of the game at that time.

Anybody post this yet?

https://m.facebook.com/warhammer40000uk/photos/a.1576243776029589/2642624969391459/?type=3&source=48


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Saw a bunch of talk about the marine bikes, didn't see much on a the clear picture...

Depending the rules for the bikes I'll likely just use the FW dudes as a stand-in. They're not a bad model but Mk4 is second bae.

I am excited for the SM and Necron refresh and I am sure more models will be moving to legends as GW continues to squat more ranges. I will be more excited when they finally start doing this for Aeldari, but by that time the Primaris will be as big as the current Bobby G model.

Seriously though. Repackaging is coming and Necron warriors will be in a 5 man for $50 box. Maybe they will price them $10/wound instead of number of models.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
I am excited for the SM and Necron refresh and I am sure more models will be moving to legends as GW continues to squat more ranges. I will be more excited when they finally start doing this for Aeldari, but by that time the Primaris will be as big as the current Bobby G model.

Seriously though. Repackaging is coming and Necron warriors will be in a 5 man for $50 box. Maybe they will price them $10/wound instead of number of models.

I'd expect Warriors to come in a 10 box for $60 which seems to be the standard for troops.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

I'd expect Warriors to come in a 10 box for $60 which seems to be the standard for troops.

Ehhh...the 'standard for troops' is that there isn't really one.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

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 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I have to wonder why people think GW will produce a new Codex Space Marines a year after the last codex...

Are you new to GW or is this sarcasm?

I'm not new to GW and I can't remember a time when any codex was replaced inside of a year. Unless it happened in 4th, I was out of the game at that time.

I think the shortest timeframe yet was 1.5 years

but, I can't remember if there ever was a faction which was part of the core box and did not get a new Codex

Personally my dream situation would be:

-vehicles shooting in CC replaces Overwatch
-Ruin terrain works like it does in apoc, making cover easier to gain but making it easier to assault terrain
-they return the "Hide" action allowing melee unuts to give up offensive action to mostly or entirely avoid being shot.

At least, based on their "9 things" hints thats what id love to see.

 kodos wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

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 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I have to wonder why people think GW will produce a new Codex Space Marines a year after the last codex...

Are you new to GW or is this sarcasm?

I'm not new to GW and I can't remember a time when any codex was replaced inside of a year. Unless it happened in 4th, I was out of the game at that time.

I think the shortest timeframe yet was 1.5 years

but, I can't remember if there ever was a faction which was part of the core box and did not get a new Codex

Some might say 5th Edition Orks count, since they got their codex 7 months before 5th edition was released. They weren't even the last codex released in 4th, if I'm getting my publication dates right (that would be Daemons).

 alextroy wrote:
I have to wonder why people think GW will produce a new Codex Space Marines a year after the last codex when they can just do either a Psychic Awakening-styple supplement or Shadowspear-style codex expansion for all the new units?.

Why? Isn't it obvious? Money.

Their time honoured method is keep chucking out new codexes to replace old ones and after that release yet another.

It's print me some money button. Better question is why wouldn't they push it?

tneva82 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I have to wonder why people think GW will produce a new Codex Space Marines a year after the last codex when they can just do either a Psychic Awakening-styple supplement or Shadowspear-style codex expansion for all the new units?.

Why? Isn't it obvious? Money.

Their time honoured method is keep chucking out new codexes to replace old ones and after that release yet another.

It's print me some money button. Better question is why wouldn't they push it?

I think someone on here mentioned that during the stream they mentioned some of the stuff about crusade was right out of the space marine codex. I don't remember that part myself, but maybe someone else who watched it can confirm.

I think it's pretty likely that we are getting new Dexes for both Necrons and SM. I think GW is trying to pivot to doing online updates more often, hence why they are offering the free digital copy now if you buy the hardcopy.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

I'd expect Warriors to come in a 10 box for $60 which seems to be the standard for troops.

Ehhh...the 'standard for troops' is that there isn't really one.

True, I mean Cadians aren't that expensive (yet). But generally speaking the cost for troop unit boxes tend to be cheaper.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Some might say 5th Edition Orks count, since they got their codex 7 months before 5th edition was released. They weren't even the last codex released in 4th, if I'm getting my publication dates right (that would be Daemons).

4th Edition Ork Codex was the Prime example of what it means to be written with the next Editon in mind, it won't work in none of them

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

I'd expect Warriors to come in a 10 box for $60 which seems to be the standard for troops.

Ehhh...the 'standard for troops' is that there isn't really one.

True, I mean Cadians aren't that expensive (yet). But generally speaking the cost for troop unit boxes tend to be cheaper.

I wouldn't be shocked if the $60 pricetag for Necron Warriors doesn't happen BUT if it does? It would be similar to the Mortek Guard for Ossiarch Bonereapers, who were a box of 20 for $60.

The whole mess with Chainrasps was something that there was a looooooooooot of feedback on.

 kodos wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Some might say 5th Edition Orks count, since they got their codex 7 months before 5th edition was released. They weren't even the last codex released in 4th, if I'm getting my publication dates right (that would be Daemons).

4th Edition Ork Codex was the Prime example of what it means to be written with the next Editon in mind, it won't work in none of them

Which is why I have pointed out that they have said the esition was written in mind of the existing books.

I’m gonna assume the new starter is £120.

The newsletter competition, which is where they are giving us the chance to get ahold of something from the awesome preview and new edition, has ten prizes..

Each is the same £120 worth of prize.

I've collected Necrons since they first appeared in 2nd Edition.

I really don't care for the new visual aesthetic. It's far too cartoony.

They strike me as what Necrons would look like in World of Warcraft.

I won't be adding these to my collection.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

I'm going to go ahead and say it.....marines are a mess, an absolute mess.

GW cannot keep adding and adding, without cutting at some point. So now we have all these new units to add, plus the ones from the earlier photo (landspeeder and new vehicle), and we're still not done with the Primaris "waves".
So, unless they are ready to release the new models in addition to the starter set, I don't see the codex coming right out the gate. And if they do, they need to just break it off as Primaris only.

I have heard others say that Codex:SM and Sisters were designed specifically with 9th in mind, so is an update needed so soon?

I don't know where I stand with it....as I started the post with, it's just a serious mess right now.