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tneva82 wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
GW love to drag things out to create as much hype as possible, because they are fully aware that there is a large chunk of their target audience, who are very susceptible to hype.

It also helps take focus off their immediate price increases

If I was a more cynical person I'd say the leaked pics are entirely a reaction to the anger over price increases. Nothing stops gamers in their tracks like the new shinies.

I suspect the blurry images are GW deliberately leaking them. No way non-GW could so consistently get bad picture out. Sure I could see sometimes. But every single time? With these ages phone cameras make it easy to get non blurry photo yet nobody ever manages that trick? Either every rumour leaker is so incompetent they manage to misuse camera big time or it's GW deliberately leaking it.

At least the necron pic is heavily pixelated because it's a thumbnail, not because of a potato camera.

They also said/wrote that new Books will come with new Rules/Models etc. and one has to be the first, no matter if the rules were written with 9th in mind or not.
Than there is the new Logo and Layout.

And as the 40k Website makes clear what the 3 Factions to start this Edition are, a new Codex Marines, Necrons and SoB is to be expected, and yes even if there is an update kind of thing, at least the new narritive stuff will only be there.

So maybe the matched play people don't need to get the new book while the casual narritive player will need it.

Also expect a new CA soon after as new points costs and rules adjustment for everyone else will be needed as well

It would be great in Primaris Marines got their own Codex, with these new additions their model line is pretty large. If not, the new Marine Codex is going to be a hefty bugger.

I suspect that the new stuff we have seen for the Primaris Marines is only the beginning of a 3rd wave, so again, would make more sense to split the Marine Codexes.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Really hoping that the Assault Intercessors aren't just a weapon swap for Intercessors for the same points as a Bolt Rifle. They have to have some sort of delivery mechanism that isn't an Impulsor or they're not gonna be much use. Base rules might change enough to make foots logging melee units work, but I wouldn't count on it.

On the up-side, those shield veteran thingies practically scream Black Templars, so that is nice.

Repulsor. It’s a ten man transport. Case solved.

 stonehorse wrote:
It would be great in Primaris Marines got their own Codex, with these new additions their model line is pretty large. If not, the new Marine Codex is going to be a hefty bugger.

I suspect that the new stuff we have seen for the Primaris Marines is only the beginning of a 3rd wave, so again, would make more sense to split the Marine Codexes.

New Primaris models are coming out with such regularity that it would quickly be outdated. Best case scenario you're buying a new 'dex every year, worse you're carting around MORE supplement books.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
It would be great in Primaris Marines got their own Codex, with these new additions their model line is pretty large. If not, the new Marine Codex is going to be a hefty bugger.

I suspect that the new stuff we have seen for the Primaris Marines is only the beginning of a 3rd wave, so again, would make more sense to split the Marine Codexes.

New Primaris models are coming out with such regularity that it would quickly be outdated. Best case scenario you're buying a new 'dex every year, worse you're carting around MORE supplement books.

GW would love that! A way to get people to replace their Codexes every few months, as opposed to every few years. Yeah, I can see GW dreaming of being able to do that to their fan base.

The shield veterans remind me of the Heresy era Ultramarine Suzaerin.

Anyone notice how all the new Necron models have an eroded look ? Un-repaired bits on the warriors , the new monoliths have damage on the edges etc

 stonehorse wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
It would be great in Primaris Marines got their own Codex, with these new additions their model line is pretty large. If not, the new Marine Codex is going to be a hefty bugger.

I suspect that the new stuff we have seen for the Primaris Marines is only the beginning of a 3rd wave, so again, would make more sense to split the Marine Codexes.

New Primaris models are coming out with such regularity that it would quickly be outdated. Best case scenario you're buying a new 'dex every year, worse you're carting around MORE supplement books.

GW would love that! A way to get people to replace their Codexes every few months, as opposed to every few years. Yeah, I can see GW dreaming of being able to do that to their fan base.

They just need to sack off printed Codex's now to be honest. Have a subscription based system for Codex's and update as you go... New model released? Update the codex and the rules are there.

Make it fairly reasonable price wise per codex, and allow discounts for multi subscriptions, or a price for all rules.

Better for the customers, better for them, better for the environment, it's a win all round really. No need for FAQ's or chapter approved as it can be incorporated straight into the rules. And well, the FAQ can be in the codex for clarifying any equations that occur.

They could even be super amazing to the customers and provide credit at the end of the year towards next years subscription to a codex if that codex happened to have zero updates.

When was the updated marine codex released? Feels like it was very recently?

 Crimson wrote:
When was the updated marine codex released? Feels like it was very recently?

Wasn't it like this time last year?
EDIT: It was August last year

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
When was the updated marine codex released? Feels like it was very recently?

Wasn't it like this time last year?
EDIT: It was August last year

And the previous one was only 2 years before that.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
When was the updated marine codex released? Feels like it was very recently?

Wasn't it like this time last year?
EDIT: It was August last year

In that case it would be rather bizarre if they released a new one again. I usually don't complain about too rapid releases, but a codex should last at least two years from its release.

They will release a new one. It’s a given.

If they did, as a gesture of good will, they should allow anyone to swap the codex to the new one, or at least give them an electronic version for free.

Anyway, subscription model is needed. I get the argument some have that they don't want to carry around, or refer to a tablet/their phone all the time, but it is certainly better than the 7 books/Faqs to make an army work approach.

Could be a bit like the Chaos v2 Codex - an updated one so new players have everything in one place, but existing players can get by with a PDF update.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
They will release a new one. It’s a given.

How else are GW supposed to givr marine players rules for their shiney new models because they have all run out of models to paint by now, they needed aome new models to avoid it becoming repeates of the same pose.


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 Asmodai wrote:
Could be a bit like the Chaos v2 Codex - an updated one so new players have everything in one place, but existing players can get by with a PDF update.

They already nixed that as it's got all the cool new narative play mechanics, everyone needs those.

Simply put if you play marines wxcept that you are now the cash cow that GW intends to milk untill you leave.
But enjoy your entire new second range while failcast is still forced upon other armies.

Its either a new Codex or another supplement. With just the 9th starter box contents we are looking at six new or modified data sheets at least. Then there is whatever else comes out in the following wave.

They are going to have to split the book at some point. Otherwise Codex SM is going to end up bigger than the 40k rule book.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
If they did, as a gesture of good will, they should allow anyone to swap the codex to the new one, or at least give them an electronic version for free .

why should they do it, or why should they care?
people buy it anyway

I would think we will get

Codex Necrons and Codex Marines first with all the new models - if we are lucky then the Supplements will not be redone as thats a uneeded resource drain.

Codex Adepta Sororitas is a good posisbility given the prominance of them and that GM seeming to trying to embrace the idea of a male AND female imperial lead army. (good thing in my view)

Hopefully then some more Chaos and Xenos factions despite the inevitable clamour for the Wolves and the Angels - who want their own super unique Codex and all the new toys......

The fact that Sisters are also showing as a featured army when the got a Codex this year so are unlikely to get another one so soon makes me think there’s a slim chance the new Marine stuff will be in a supplement type book rather than yet another Codex.

Both Sisters and Marines books share some design beats (e.g. anti-soup mechanisms) that make them appear to be ‘9th ready’ books and Necrons seem to be the first new codex (since there’s a new cover floating round). Perhaps they’ll just release a supplement with the Crusade rules for the first two and all the new data sheets?

 ScarletRose wrote:
If I was a more cynical person I'd say the leaked pics are entirely a reaction to the anger over price increases. Nothing stops gamers in their tracks like the new shinies.

It's simpler than that. The price increases were announced days before the 40K reveal specifically so they'd get buried under the new 40K stuff. You don't even need leaks for that.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
If they did, as a gesture of good will, they should allow anyone to swap the codex to the new one, or at least give them an electronic version for free.

Or maybe let us swap our brand new datacards that are about to be completely invalidated. I made the plunge with datacards for Chaos and Marines as I figured they were the newest and therefore the least likely to be instantly replaced.

Nope.

Soulless wrote:
So the Judiciar is what, a space marine commisar?

Maybe an update on the Master of Executions that chapters have, or a sort of diet-Emperor's Champion. We'll need to see the fluff to know more.

Lord Zarkov wrote:
The fact that Sisters are also showing as a featured army when the got a Codex this year so are unlikely to get another one so soon makes me think there’s a slim chance the new Marine stuff will be in a supplement type book rather than yet another Codex.

Both Sisters and Marines books share some design beats (e.g. anti-soup mechanisms) that make them appear to be ‘9th ready’ books and Necrons seem to be the first new codex (since there’s a new cover floating round). Perhaps they’ll just release a supplement with the Crusade rules for the first two and all the new data sheets?

A Crusade Supplement would be nice but codexes are what GW does.

Maybe we get a Crusade Index so all factions can jump in right from the start.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
If I was a more cynical person I'd say the leaked pics are entirely a reaction to the anger over price increases. Nothing stops gamers in their tracks like the new shinies.

It's simpler than that. The price increases were announced days before the 40K reveal specifically so they'd get buried under the new 40K stuff. You don't even need leaks for that.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
If they did, as a gesture of good will, they should allow anyone to swap the codex to the new one, or at least give them an electronic version for free.

Or maybe let us swap our brand new datacards that are about to be completely invalidated. I made the plunge with datacards for Chaos and Marines as I figured they were the newest and therefore the least likely to be instantly replaced.

Nope.

Datacards are mostly maelstrom objectives, psychic powers and stratagems - while you might be missing some (as is everyone with a PA update), the cards you do have should remain valid.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Lord Zarkov wrote:
The fact that Sisters are also showing as a featured army when the got a Codex this year so are unlikely to get another one so soon makes me think there’s a slim chance the new Marine stuff will be in a supplement type book rather than yet another Codex.

Both Sisters and Marines books share some design beats (e.g. anti-soup mechanisms) that make them appear to be ‘9th ready’ books and Necrons seem to be the first new codex (since there’s a new cover floating round). Perhaps they’ll just release a supplement with the Crusade rules for the first two and all the new data sheets?

A Crusade Supplement would be nice but codexes are what GW does.

True, hence ‘slim chance’

Although a Crusade Supplement would allow them to cover off red marines, green marines and maybe even grey marines at the same time as blue marines...

Which means GW probably won’t do it...

 Mr Morden wrote:

Lord Zarkov wrote:
The fact that Sisters are also showing as a featured army when the got a Codex this year so are unlikely to get another one so soon makes me think there’s a slim chance the new Marine stuff will be in a supplement type book rather than yet another Codex.

Both Sisters and Marines books share some design beats (e.g. anti-soup mechanisms) that make them appear to be ‘9th ready’ books and Necrons seem to be the first new codex (since there’s a new cover floating round). Perhaps they’ll just release a supplement with the Crusade rules for the first two and all the new data sheets?

A Crusade Supplement would be nice but codexes are what GW does.

What I’m hoping is that there are generic crusade rules in the main rulebook, but with faction specific stuff in the codexes. Sort of like warlord traits and strats, or more hopefully like tactical objectives (which are much less relevant to have your specific ones). So you can get by with the basic XP paths/upgrades/whatever they use for the system, but once you get your individual ones, you can use those instead.

This way they are not forced to push new codexes just so people can play the new system.

Not looking forward to shelling out for new books.

Speaking of the Me from codex cover, this looks like a copy from when they were still finalozing it:

Left hand figure seems to appear in this pic. Bottom left.

I don’t think it’s a new Immortal kit, as we’ve seen those as they are in the big group image.



I’m wondering if it might be an HQ. Squad leader type.

 stonehorse wrote:
It would be great in Primaris Marines got their own Codex, with these new additions their model line is pretty large. If not, the new Marine Codex is going to be a hefty bugger

Imho, they should have just done the base increase and released primaries. Then as the range got larger slowly phase out the original marine scale.

Primaris just seemed awkward to me in terms of explaining them. That said, I don't read the novels or further lore.

Love the necron stuff. Will have to get some of the models.
Sanjay