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I feel paint colors determine the toyetic factor for a lot of GW's products. I mean look at anything in studio Ultramarine paint schemes. Toyetic as he'll. But once the community gets ahold of it they tend to add that darker feel to the models through less clean and bright schemes.

Hmm, isn't all this adding new stuff just to phase out the existing regular Space Marines?

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, isn't all this adding new stuff just to phase out the existing regular Space Marines?

It's what we all assume/expect ar this point. Minimarine legends.

 Sasori wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I have to wonder why people think GW will produce a new Codex Space Marines a year after the last codex when they can just do either a Psychic Awakening-styple supplement or Shadowspear-style codex expansion for all the new units?.

Why? Isn't it obvious? Money.

Their time honoured method is keep chucking out new codexes to replace old ones and after that release yet another.

It's print me some money button. Better question is why wouldn't they push it?

I think someone on here mentioned that during the stream they mentioned some of the stuff about crusade was right out of the space marine codex. I don't remember that part myself, but maybe someone else who watched it can confirm.

I think it's pretty likely that we are getting new Dexes for both Necrons and SM. I think GW is trying to pivot to doing online updates more often, hence why they are offering the free digital copy now if you buy the hardcopy.

About 1 Hour 5 into the stream where Pete foley etc are discussing the 9 changes animation.

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, isn't all this adding new stuff just to phase out the existing regular Space Marines?

They once again made a point of directly saying it isn't.

I agree that Paint Scheme makes a huge difference in the way a model is perceived. But the size, shape, and proportion of the models has at least an equal impact on the overall look of a miniature. In the case of these new Necron models, it's the look on their "faces" that strikes me as being particularly cartoonish.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I feel paint colors determine the toyetic factor for a lot of GW's products. I mean look at anything in studio Ultramarine paint schemes. Toyetic as he'll. But once the community gets ahold of it they tend to add that darker feel to the models through less clean and bright schemes.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, isn't all this adding new stuff just to phase out the existing regular Space Marines?

It's what we all assume/expect ar this point. Minimarine legends.

yes, but the question is....when will GW finally pull that trigger?

Ice_can wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I have to wonder why people think GW will produce a new Codex Space Marines a year after the last codex when they can just do either a Psychic Awakening-styple supplement or Shadowspear-style codex expansion for all the new units?.

Why? Isn't it obvious? Money.

Their time honoured method is keep chucking out new codexes to replace old ones and after that release yet another.

It's print me some money button. Better question is why wouldn't they push it?

I think someone on here mentioned that during the stream they mentioned some of the stuff about crusade was right out of the space marine codex. I don't remember that part myself, but maybe someone else who watched it can confirm.

I think it's pretty likely that we are getting new Dexes for both Necrons and SM. I think GW is trying to pivot to doing online updates more often, hence why they are offering the free digital copy now if you buy the hardcopy.

About 1 Hour 5 into the stream where Pete foley etc are discussing the 9 changes animation.

At 1:20 they mention that as they come across each faction they'll build on the core and do bespoke stuff for each faction - example a Space Marine character who gets too badly damaged can be interred in a Dreadnought.

Does suggest that they'll be "coming across" Marines pretty soon.

 Norchack wrote:
I agree that Paint Scheme makes a huge difference in the way a model is perceived. But the size, shape, and proportion of the models has at least an equal impact on the overall look of a miniature. In the case of these new Necron models, it's the look on their "faces" that strikes me as being particularly cartoonish.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I feel paint colors determine the toyetic factor for a lot of GW's products. I mean look at anything in studio Ultramarine paint schemes. Toyetic as he'll. But once the community gets ahold of it they tend to add that darker feel to the models through less clean and bright schemes.

Are the Bonereapers Necrons in the mortal realms or are the Necrons Bonereapers in space?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, isn't all this adding new stuff just to phase out the existing regular Space Marines?

It's what we all assume/expect ar this point. Minimarine legends.

Having two vast bloated ranges (three if you include HH) is not ideal if nothing else in terms of limited shelf space.

Now that units are coming out that older units can be proxied for - especially the bikes it may be that they slowly phase them out but I don't think they will whilst they are still selling.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, isn't all this adding new stuff just to phase out the existing regular Space Marines?

It's what we all assume/expect ar this point. Minimarine legends.

They just have no enthusiasm left for regular marines is all. Kinda the natural side effect of going “check out these double marines!”, you instantly brand the older units as inferior and the newer ones as gimmicky, cheapening both.

I wouldn’t really assume anything about phasing out astartes from 40k until you have a decent decade of hindsight to see how they start scrambling to pull together their scattershot approach.

changemod wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, isn't all this adding new stuff just to phase out the existing regular Space Marines?

It's what we all assume/expect ar this point. Minimarine legends.

They just have no enthusiasm left for regular marines is all. Kinda the natural side effect of going “check out these double marines!”, you instantly brand the older units as inferior and the newer ones as gimmicky, cheapening both.

I wouldn’t really assume anything about phasing out astartes from 40k until you have a decent decade of hindsight to see how they start scrambling to pull together their scattershot approach.

Also they have completed the Marine range - unlike many other full Race factions they have a vast and often even units duplicated within the range.

What else does the Marine range need?

So I wonder if codex's will go up in price to account for the crusade stuff that some amount of the playerbase will not ever use...

No reason to squat old marines , they sell. If they didn’t then they would be mainly GW direct.

Voss wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, isn't all this adding new stuff just to phase out the existing regular Space Marines?

They once again made a point of directly saying it isn't.

And...once again, you'd be an absolute fool to believe them. Old marines will be phased out, it just isn't going to happen in six months like some people predict.

1) They'll not get any new releases except the occasional character or named character. Example is the new librarian in terminator armour.
2) They'll slowly but surely get outclassed in the game to where points-wise and meta-wise you're better off with Primaris units.
3) In a while, and I mean...a long while, the kits will be retired. Many of the plastic kits are already 15-20+ years old, and while GW likes to let kits linger for up to 25 years, they simply won't be replacing them with new versions - ever.

This will happen, and to think otherwise is absolutely silly. However, GW isn't going to suddenly discontinue old marines overnight, and likely not for several years. Old marines will remain in the codex because millions of players around the world have them, and will have them for the foreseeable future.

Your old marines will be fine for another 10-15 years, easy...but it's likely their rules will continue to suck and they'll fade from the market and store slowly.

Anyone seeing any rumors about using the veteran stratagem on assault Intercessors? My red thirst wants to know.

 Norchack wrote:
I agree that Paint Scheme makes a huge difference in the way a model is perceived. But the size, shape, and proportion of the models has at least an equal impact on the overall look of a miniature. In the case of these new Necron models, it's the look on their "faces" that strikes me as being particularly cartoonish.

I'd argue that they're less human in shape which makes the Crons feel even more alien.

 Mr Morden wrote:

changemod wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, isn't all this adding new stuff just to phase out the existing regular Space Marines?

It's what we all assume/expect ar this point. Minimarine legends.

They just have no enthusiasm left for regular marines is all. Kinda the natural side effect of going “check out these double marines!”, you instantly brand the older units as inferior and the newer ones as gimmicky, cheapening both.

I wouldn’t really assume anything about phasing out astartes from 40k until you have a decent decade of hindsight to see how they start scrambling to pull together their scattershot approach.

Also they have completed the Marine range - unlike many other full Race factions they have a vast and often even units duplicated within the range.

What else does the Marine range need?

Well they need 8 different kinds of veterans like what the old marines have... but in primaris flavor. Also classic marine devastators in primaris flavor. Maybe a predator in primaris hover tank flavor... god I wish they never opened the Pandora’s box of primaris marines...

Anyone notice the 40k giveaway has a value of £120, what are the odds that's the rrp of the new starter?

A goood chunk of the Marine line is already no longer mandatory stock so them being pushed to direct only could happen over the next couple years to free up shelf space.

Dudeface wrote:
Anyone notice the 40k giveaway has a value of £120, what are the odds that's the rrp of the new starter?

Yeah, I did mention it a page back, but it gets lost in all the arguments

 bullyboy wrote:

yes, but the question is....when will GW finally pull that trigger?

It would make sense to increases prices of old marine kits before making people panic buy. Oh wait...

Danny76 wrote:
I’m gonna assume the new starter is £120.

The newsletter competition, which is where they are giving us the chance to get ahold of something from the awesome preview and new edition, has ten prizes..

Each is the same £120 worth of prize.

As I can’t be bothered to type it again,

Particularly as they say it’s relevant to the new edition. Nothing else it could be..

 Elbows wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, isn't all this adding new stuff just to phase out the existing regular Space Marines?

They once again made a point of directly saying it isn't.

And...once again, you'd be an absolute fool to believe them. Old marines will be phased out, it just isn't going to happen in six months like some people predict.

1) They'll not get any new releases except the occasional character or named character. Example is the new librarian in terminator armour.
2) They'll slowly but surely get outclassed in the game to where points-wise and meta-wise you're better off with Primaris units.
3) In a while, and I mean...a long while, the kits will be retired. Many of the plastic kits are already 15-20+ years old, and while GW likes to let kits linger for up to 25 years, they simply won't be replacing them with new versions - ever.

This will happen, and to think otherwise is absolutely silly. However, GW isn't going to suddenly discontinue old marines overnight, and likely not for several years. Old marines will remain in the codex because millions of players around the world have them, and will have them for the foreseeable future.

Your old marines will be fine for another 10-15 years, easy...but it's likely their rules will continue to suck and they'll fade from the market and store slowly.

Are you aware the heresy sub-brand has immense financial leverage to exploit and next to no room for primaris to be shoehorned in?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Left hand figure seems to appear in this pic. Bottom left.

I don’t think it’s a new Immortal kit, as we’ve seen those as they are in the big group image.

Spoiler:

I’m wondering if it might be an HQ. Squad leader type.

The guy in front of the walker on the right with the halberd type weapon has the same carapace and body design. No joke I think they are essentially Necron Lieutenant equivalents. Funny thing is, one is shooty and one is stabby just like the Dark Imperium Marines.

Danny76 wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
I’m gonna assume the new starter is £120.

The newsletter competition, which is where they are giving us the chance to get ahold of something from the awesome preview and new edition, has ten prizes..

Each is the same £120 worth of prize.

As I can’t be bothered to type it again,

Particularly as they say it’s relevant to the new edition. Nothing else it could be..

Since Blood of the Phoenix was £140, wonder if that will make this new starter $200 USD.
I tried finding something exactly priced on the UK website but failed.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Also, I think it looks cooler, and it seems more brutal to not be mounted on a jet bike. Charging head first into the enemy, on a massive bike, weapons blazing, the mental image is better on a land based bike, you don't need agility if you're aiming to hit hard and from a straight line charge. The bikes can be bigger and sturdier as well with wheels, they'd have to be more sleek if they were jet bikes, again taking away from part of their potency, which would be hitting fast with a hell of a lot of mass.

Of course, the reason they're charging head first into the enemy is that the bike doesn't appear design to be able to steer...

 Elbows wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, isn't all this adding new stuff just to phase out the existing regular Space Marines?

They once again made a point of directly saying it isn't.

And...once again, you'd be an absolute fool to believe them. Old marines will be phased out, it just isn't going to happen in six months like some people predict.

1) They'll not get any new releases except the occasional character or named character. Example is the new librarian in terminator armour.
2) They'll slowly but surely get outclassed in the game to where points-wise and meta-wise you're better off with Primaris units.
3) In a while, and I mean...a long while, the kits will be retired. Many of the plastic kits are already 15-20+ years old, and while GW likes to let kits linger for up to 25 years, they simply won't be replacing them with new versions - ever.

This will happen, and to think otherwise is absolutely silly. However, GW isn't going to suddenly discontinue old marines overnight, and likely not for several years. Old marines will remain in the codex because millions of players around the world have them, and will have them for the foreseeable future.

Your old marines will be fine for another 10-15 years, easy...but it's likely their rules will continue to suck and they'll fade from the market and store slowly.

So you agree they're not being phased out

10+ years and 5+ editions from now does not matter

In GW price brackets £120 is 155 euros.

I feel like the non-Primaris Marines ksave maybe Terminator kits and Grey Knights) will be direct only by the end of the edition.