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Clearly, he's come to wipe out all Vostroyan Firstborns.

DanielFM wrote:

 Lord Perversor wrote:
Not sure if posted already but a photo passed along.

P.S: posting from phone

Please not be fake, please not be fake.

Order 66 man!

Someone on bolter and chainsword managed to zoom into a corner of the image and you can see it's clearly been cut out and stuck into a book, so tis a fake.

 Lord Perversor wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Lord Perversor wrote:
Not sure if posted already but a photo passed along.

P.S: posting from phone

Are you Spikey Bits? Even phone posting isn't an excuse for passing that off like it's a real leak.

I mean he doesn't have the character keyword, it's a mess of sloppy looking pixels, it's clearly a cut out, and GW has never used "FIRSTBORN" as a keyword meaning the model would be useless at launch.

I'm just passing the info and asking if someone already saw/know about it.

Yes i believe it's probably a fake but some of the minor irks can be explained as be part of assembly booklet.

The firstborn key could be related to the new necron troop (with new weapon options) and it mimics Aos special rules from starter.

If you thought it was fake you should have posted such. Furthermore it looks like someone printed out a datasheet and pasted it in to make it look more "real", third Necrons have no reason to have a "FIRSTBORN" keyword and the Executioner isn't an anti-Necron character, and third he has a peice of Death Korps of Krieg Wargear with the wrong rules:


And that's just what I spotted posting by phone. That was clearly baiting and frankly even reposting that bull was ridiculious.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
and GW has never used "FIRSTBORN" as a keyword meaning the model would be useless at launch.

so a very good argument for being real

at launch only useable with the units in the box until the new rules are released (new Keywords will be added with the new Codex)

 kodos wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
and GW has never used "FIRSTBORN" as a keyword meaning the model would be useless at launch.

so a very good argument for being real

at launch only useable with the units in the box until the new rules are released (new Keywords will be added with the new Codex)

Not a good arguement since "FIRSTBORN" in the lore are Classic Astartes and not Necrons, who are the other half of the box. It's trash and bait and even defending it as a joke is frankly ridiculious.

DanielFM wrote:

 Lord Perversor wrote:
Not sure if posted already but a photo passed along.

P.S: posting from phone

Please not be fake, please not be fake.

Order 66 man!

Original marines would just laugh at that. If that's supposed to be their executioner then lol most useless unit in the game.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

If you thought it was fake you should have posted such. Furthermore it looks like someone printed out a datasheet and pasted it in to make it look more "real", third Necrons have no reason to have a "FIRSTBORN" keyword and the Executioner isn't an anti-Necron character, and third he has a peice of Death Korps of Krieg Wargear with the wrong rules:

If people wouldn't post probably fake rumours, the dakkadakka news & rumour section would have about 3 new threads a year, max.

Between 2 wound plague marines nonesense coming back literally 20 times as a "rumour" for different releases, plastic thunderhawks, Fulgrim-nonsense, BolS posts about Black Templar starter boxes all the way back to the olden days to compulsive fake-news mass-producers like old Natfka and Hastings, approximately 98% of "rumours" about 40K posted in the last decade was fake.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I just don’t get why he’d turn on them when the Imperium needs all they can get to fight the enemies of man. I guess the old marines or, “first born,” could turn on them, though that seems a little random and petty.

Chaos Legions might be firstborns as well.

Digging a bit deeper, the Volkite is missing the ability to do mortal wounds on to-wound rolls of 6.


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Sunny Side Up wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

If you thought it was fake you should have posted such. Furthermore it looks like someone printed out a datasheet and pasted it in to make it look more "real", third Necrons have no reason to have a "FIRSTBORN" keyword and the Executioner isn't an anti-Necron character, and third he has a peice of Death Korps of Krieg Wargear with the wrong rules:

If people wouldn't post probably fake rumours, the dakkadakka news & rumour section would have about 3 new threads a year, max.

Between 2 wound plague marines nonesense coming back literally 20 times as a "rumour" for different releases, plastic thunderhawks, Fulgrim-nonsense, BolS posts about Black Templar starter boxes all the way back to the olden days to compulsive fake-news mass-producers like old Natfka and Hastings, approximately 98% of "rumours" about 40K posted in the last decade was fake.

Again, why are people.defending this trash of a fake datasheet? If you think it's fake and you post it, then say you think it's fake. It's not that hard.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Again, why are people.defending this trash of a fake datasheet? If you think it's fake and you post it, then say you think it's fake. It's not that hard.

Most people who spend more than 5 minutes on the internets know that any Games Workshop product rumour posted on Dakka, BolS, Facebook, wherever is fake until proven otherwise (which won't happen to 99.9999% of them). Spelling it out is like adding a warning label on nuts to tell people they contain nuts.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Again, why are people.defending this trash of a fake datasheet? If you think it's fake and you post it, then say you think it's fake. It's not that hard.

I think it is fake, but the arguments why it is fake are "GW would never do something like this" are just bad, as GW would write rules exactly like that.

Firstborn being something different in the fluff before, no one cares, now this is the new Necron Keyword for the forces of the Silent King
Rules are being copied from something else with mistakes, will be fixed with the next CA (maybe)

the only clesar thing why it is a fake is that someone cut it out and glued it into a book to get the impression it is from a Codex or Starter Booklet, which you only do if you want it too look real instead of taking a picture of a single sheet

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Again, why are people.defending this trash of a fake datasheet? If you think it's fake and you post it, then say you think it's fake. It's not that hard.

Most people who spend more than 5 minutes on the internets know that any Games Workshop product rumour posted on Dakka, BolS, Facebook, wherever is fake until proven otherwise (which won't happen to 99.9999% of them). Spelling it out is like adding a warning label on nuts to tell people they contain nuts.

Sounds like an excuse to post something that apparently should be treated as spam posting based on your claim of 99.9999% of peopld "knowing" that such things are fake since they "clearly" don't belong in "news and rumors" if everyone "knows they're fake".

So by your arguement it should have never been posted because it's off topic and not news. Gotcha.


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 kodos wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Again, why are people.defending this trash of a fake datasheet? If you think it's fake and you post it, then say you think it's fake. It's not that hard.

I think it is fake, but the arguments why it is fake are "GW would never do something like this" are just bad, as GW would write rules exactly like that.

Firstborn being something different in the fluff before, no one cares, now this is the new Necron Keyword for the forces of the Silent King
Rules are being copied from something else with mistakes, will be fixed with the next CA (maybe)

the only clesar thing why it is a fake is that someone cut it out and glued it into a book to get the impression it is from a Codex or Starter Booklet, which you only do if you want it too look real instead of taking a picture of a single sheet

Why would a Space Marine have a keyword that only targets Necrons in an army no one in the setting has faced before? Doesn't make sense, even by GW standards.

Plus there are other clues. Not having the character keyword, wargear from a FW Guard army with the wrong rules, Volkite not.matching existing statlines or rules for Volkite. An Infantry model exploding 3" on death like some kind of Walker.

I'm sure we can find more things wrong besides "only" the crappy paste job that was done.

Someone found something new they'd not seen before, flagged it up for the community to look over and make their own judgements on.

Aggressively decrying providing rumours, no matter how unreliable, is only going to dissuade people from sharing in the future. Just let people draw their own conclusions and discuss.

With regards the keywords that haven't existed before, they need to be first introduced somewhere. Just because it doesn't exist now, it doesn't mean it won't exist in the future.

Will be interesting to see how the frames are laid out, I suspect there will have been at least half an eye to a successor to "Conquest!" here as another partwork, likewise also configured to allow smaller starter sets - the eye watering £120 box set price is a lot easier to justify if there is also a £25 - £30 smaller one and a £50-£60 mid sized one

GW has done more ilogic rules that made now sense at all outside the box-set the model was released with

and at the moment we don't know if the model will be available outside the box at all (won't be the first one)

the rules as they are not making sense because we don't know with what bs GW will come up in the Box Set just to remove it again with the Codex later would be no surprise or something exclusive to this edition/game

and that rules are crap is the usual response to any leak prior a new edition and afterwards it will be seen as the best model ever

If the rules would be the only evidence I would say it is more real than fake, but with the cut and the glue visible it is a fake

Not to mention it's super suspect that a random no name charictor has a weapon with a stat line arguably better than any named sword including chapter master weapons. Arguably comparable stat line to the emperor's sword.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

So by your arguement it should have never been posted because it's off topic and not news. Gotcha.

If that is the standard you set, fine.

But by that standard, there isn't a single GW rumor posted in the last 20 years on dakka that should've been posted.

I think people are intentionally suspending their common sense in order to buy into what is clearly nonsense.

For starters, GW has always done model then story then rules. What part of the Judicator shows he is specialized in killing Necrons? Not a dang thing. Secondly if he was specialzed in killing Necrons that should be a Dynasty keyword, which "FIRSTBORN" is not. It doesn't fit the "Space Egypt" theme of how GW names the Dynasties.

Lastly, if he actually had a rule that targeted "FIRSTBORN" he wouldn't be in a box fighting Necrons because that's clearly not his actual role in the setting.

No, if he has a role targetting anyone it'd be "CHARACTERS" fitting in his lore presented as someone who executes people. And it likely wouldn't be an aura buff to nearby units but rather himself, and only in melee.

That would fit GW's approach to rules writing better.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Between 2 wound plague marines nonesense coming back literally 20 times as a "rumour" for different releases, plastic thunderhawks, Fulgrim-nonsense, BolS posts about Black Templar starter boxes all the way back to the olden days to compulsive fake-news mass-producers like old Natfka and Hastings, approximately 98% of "rumours" about 40K posted in the last decade was fake.

Hastings? Lol his track record was pretty much spot on when he was posting rumours. That you put him and nafka in same category shows you didn't actually follow who was and who wans't reliable.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I think people are intentionally suspending their common sense in order to buy into what is clearly nonsense.

For starters, GW has always done model then story then rules. What part of the Judicator shows he is specialized in killing Necrons? Not a dang thing. Secondly if he was specialzed in killing Necrons that should be a Dynasty keyword, which "FIRSTBORN" is not. It doesn't fit the "Space Egypt" theme of how GW names the Dynasties.

Lastly, if he actually had a rule that targeted "FIRSTBORN" he wouldn't be in a box fighting Necrons because that's clearly not his actual role in the setting.

No, if he has a role targetting anyone it'd be "CHARACTERS" fitting in his lore presented as someone who executes people. And it likely wouldn't be an aura buff to nearby units but rather himself, and only in melee.

That would fit GW's approach to rules writing better.

You're trapped in the moment too heavily, as much as that is likely a fake; I agree, why shouldn't he have a rule about executing certain armies models? Yes it would be slightly unusual but how is dark angels who have a slew of hunt the fallen rules, whilst not fighting the fallen, any less weird from 6th/7th ed? How do you know there isn't a firstborn dynasty or keyword in the new necron range?

You're coming across as very worked up and incredulous about concepts based on the 8th edition storyline and information we have now, rather than being forward thinking.

Lol, missing charachter keywords were actually quite common for some armies in 8th. So the lack of it is not a giveaway if it is afake or not.

remember it is GW ,

Source of rumours and pics is important.

BoLS and Spikeybits in particular are famed for just making stuff up, and presenting baseless opinion as irrefutable fact - often quoting ‘a source’.

Consider their now infamous ‘Slaanesh is being squatted’ nonsense.

Based off a single observation from the start of AoS, despite it being made clear in the background Slaanesh has been gimpnapped by the Aelven Gods. But their article of course made no mention, instead preferring to trade on hysteria.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I think people are intentionally suspending their common sense in order to buy into what is clearly nonsense.

you need to intentionally remove your common sense to play a GW game anyway
if rules start making sense they are not from GW

the more stupid, and illogical a romour is, the more likley it is true (specially without the big picture of all changes)

just because rules make no sense at all and don't fit the last 6 months of rules writing, is no proof of anything and if you think otherwise you ignore everything GW has done since mid-5th Edition.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Source of rumours and pics is important.

BoLS and Spikeybits in particular are famed for just making stuff up, and presenting baseless opinion as irrefutable fact - often quoting ‘a source’.

Honestly both are only in it for the clickbait titles. Half the time its made up, or its just pinched off forum threads. Far as I can tell they don't even get preview material from companies? I think most of their actual news comes out after official infobursts anyway. That said I try to avoid going to either site.

both sites copy&paste what is up on Forums and FB, while post every message that is send to them with "a reliable source told us"

from a German Forum we made the experiment several times how long it takes to post "reliable" rumours until the showed up on BolS and came back to the forum were they were created

same just sending an anonym mail with made up stuff and waited until it was posted as the new hot news

I mean, it does seem SPECIFICALLY designed to incense the folks who've barricaded themselves in their homes with their pile of non-primaris marines, 60 assault rifles and 9,000 rounds of ammo, nothing but a computer open to a dakka account to keep them company.

I'll take this about as seriously as I'd take a rumor that the sisters of battle have a special rule not allowing them to be warlord if you have any space marine characters in your army.

Contrast and compare with the like of Kirioth.

Now, Kirioth has proven a fairly reliable passer on of rumours. His source/s have been right about quite a few things, at least going back to the Ork Codex.

But he doesn’t blindly share everything. And he’s made videos to that effect, explaining his method of selection. Some are just clearly silly ‘ there’ll be a new Codex for X’. Well, of course there will. That’s a statement of likelihood, not a rumour as such.

Even when it’s more of a judgement call, he’s clear about it. He shares his doubts as well as the rumour

That to me is responsible, valuable community contribution.

Also, a couple things on this image

1) Did GW also spell "Judicar" wrong in their preview, or is that an innovation of this rumor?

2) I see he has a Volkite pistol, but it appears to not have the Conflagrate rule that GW specifically referred to with the lieutenant.

the_scotsman wrote:
Also, a couple things on this image

1) Did GW also spell "Judicar" wrong in their preview, or is that an innovation of this rumor?

2) I see he has a Volkite pistol, but it appears to not have the Conflagrate rule that GW specifically referred to with the lieutenant.

The preview article called it a Judiciar too. Doesn’t make it any less fake, but they did get the name right based on what we know.

 ClockworkZion wrote:


For starters, GW has always done model then story then rules. What part of the Judicator shows he is specialized in killing Necrons? Not a dang thing.

He can't have Necon trophies on his armor since they phase out when destroyed.

Therefore the lack of necron skulls on his armor prove he is a Necron Killing specialist.

Check and mate.