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I dunno, I get the impression that the OG ork buggy was the inspiration.

 Crimson wrote:
it is plain that the Bat Tumbler has been the inspiration. .

I disagree and would say the old ork buggy was the main inspiration

BTW, looking at the Batmobile, I notice that its front wheels are much closer together than the rear wheels. I think doing the same would improve the look of the marine buggy. It would make it seem more dynamic and the front wouldn't have so much open space.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Well, it worked with several of the AoS boxsets. They sold out very quickly, even though they stated they had bumped up their production. Most didn't even survive the weekend they went up for preorder.

It's your wallet and your choice what to do. I'm just saying if you for sure want one, you should put in a preorder for it.

Battle boxes have always been 'While Stocks Last' and not just for Age of Sigmar. 40K has had their fair share (e.g., Tooth and Claw, Death Masque, Forgebane, etc.).

I am well aware, I am not sure what your point is. I was just using AOS as an example.

That it's not really a new strategy for Games Workshop in general or Age of Sigmar specifically.

When did I say it was? I still don't know what the point has been in you quoting me on this. I never said this was new strategy or something innovative. I just said that it works, as provided a few examples of it. Which brings back to my point about if you wanted to guarantee yourselves a copy you should probably preorder it, and clarifying that it was not a starter set.

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 Crimson wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:

Then why are none of the heads posed in their stock photo of the unit of 10? It's literally two of each model. The heads are absolutely identical in orientation.

Moreover, if you can pose the heads, it isn't push fit. There's no way to make push-fit you can pose, unless you did something really fancy and put the heads on rotators, which clearly is not the case there.

The 'really fancy' thing is called 'buying a knife.'

Ah yes, the old "anything can be posed if you cut it up" argument. Always very convincing.

But I'm just glad we all now agree the heads can't be posed without modifying the kit.

There is a difference between being completely unposable and bring posable with a small bit of effort.

I mean we're not talking the push fit Helbrute here


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Can people spoiler their memes at least? This site gets hard to read on mobile with massive images stretching the page out.

Oh I don't disagree, if you want you can cut up those intercessors and repose them. The point was simply that the kit doesn't allow it. The fact that there are ways to work around the limitations of push-fit doesn't mean it isn't a bad choice for how to make kits.

As long as it doesn't become standard I don't really care. If for whatever reason they insist on doing it on starter sets meh, whatever.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Oh I don't disagree, if you want you can cut up those intercessors and repose them. The point was simply that the kit doesn't allow it. The fact that there are ways to work around the limitations of push-fit doesn't mean it isn't a bad choice for how to make kits.

As long as it doesn't become standard I don't really care. If for whatever reason they insist on doing it on starter sets meh, whatever.

Push fit seems to be cheaper for them for limited run releases. I don't know how it all works, but I'm guessing it lets them reduce sprue count and get more into a box with less weight and plastic.

I think it's more about the theory that they are "friendlier" to "new gamers" and the boxes are designed to get new people into the hobby.

Though there's always been something really weird about that rationale when applied to unpainted plastic. 90% of the time in getting miniatures ready to play is painting them, not assembly. It seems like a tacit acknowledgment that lots of people aren't interested in the painting part of the hobby and see it as a chore - in which case, why not just go all the way and supply them with basic colors already applied?

Whoever pointed out that all the new necron have battle damage, I hate you

I get that it makes sense on the warriors. Since the new(?) lore states that their reanimation protocols aren't as great as the more important members. But all these guys have it. But previous models are all in pristine condition.
Even the newest necron model, the cryptek with canoptek cloak, is battle damage free. Maybe it has something to do with the lore of the set and these guys are a damaged Tomb World or something?

yukishiro1 wrote:
orientation of the driver

You mean facing forward like almost every other vehicle ever designed?

Pushfit is harder to assemble, the pegs are a very tight fit and can jam, bend or break with the force of pushing them in. Shaving the peg thin enough to be a clean fit (and ideally take glue) requires a sharp hobby knife unsuited to young kids.

 EnTyme wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
orientation of the driver

You mean facing forward like almost every other vehicle ever designed?

Yeah, that's clearly what I mean. He's facing forward guys, it's Mario 40Kart for sure!

I assume it's not major news to any of us that tiny plastic soldiers are three-dimensional.

changemod wrote:
Pushfit is harder to assemble, the pegs are a very tight fit and can jam, bend or break with the force of pushing them in. Shaving the peg thin enough to be a clean fit (and ideally take glue) requires a sharp hobby knife unsuited to young kids.

I always clip mine short and glue the seam instead.


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Thinling about the ATV, I almost think the gunner should be in a bucket seat in the front while the driver is behind him.

yukishiro1 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
orientation of the driver

You mean facing forward like almost every other vehicle ever designed?

Yeah, that's clearly what I mean. He's facing forward guys, it's Mario 40Kart for sure!

I assume it's not major news to any of us that tiny plastic soldiers are three-dimensional.

I still don't get what you mean. Orientation would refer to the direction the driver is facing.

 Crimson wrote:
BTW, looking at the Batmobile, I notice that its front wheels are much closer together than the rear wheels. I think doing the same would improve the look of the marine buggy. It would make it seem more dynamic and the front wouldn't have so much open space.

If it's supposed to be inspired by the Tumbler batmobile, I'm sorry but that is an epic level of fail.

It actually carries on a rather disappointing trend that appaeared with the Space Camino, where the front and back of the model look like they were designed by different people.

changemod wrote:
Pushfit is harder to assemble, the pegs are a very tight fit and can jam, bend or break with the force of pushing them in. Shaving the peg thin enough to be a clean fit (and ideally take glue) requires a sharp hobby knife unsuited to young kids.

Absolutely. It's not really easier at all. But they seem convinced it is, or you wouldn't see them use it on all their "starter" sets. Not even GW is so cheap that they'd really create a whole new set of molds just to try to compress a little more into a box to save on shipping.

Mind you, I'm not convinced it actually even does save space. I'd have to get some sprues and compare. If anything, I would think the bigger pieces that are required for push-fit would reduce the efficiency of the packaging, not increase it.

Honedtly we don't kmow what inspired it yet. GW hasn's given us their customary designer insights into the new models.


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yukishiro1 wrote:

changemod wrote:
Pushfit is harder to assemble, the pegs are a very tight fit and can jam, bend or break with the force of pushing them in. Shaving the peg thin enough to be a clean fit (and ideally take glue) requires a sharp hobby knife unsuited to young kids.

Absolutely. It's not really easier at all. But they seem convinced it is, or you wouldn't see them use it on all their "starter" sets. Not even GW is so cheap that they'd really create a whole new set of molds just to try to compress a little more into a box to save on shipping.

Mind you, I'm not convinced it actually even does save space. I'd have to get some sprues and compare. If anything, I would think the bigger pieces that are required for push-fit would reduce the efficiency of the packaging, not increase it.

Less extra parts is a big factor. Look at the Primaris in Dark Imperium versus their actual boxes. Their is like a third more parts in the full size kits.

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I still don't get what you mean. Orientation would refer to the direction the driver is facing.

Sorry, I assumed you were just being sarcastic and understood the point but didn't want to admit it.

Orientation is in three dimensions. The thing that makes it look like a go-cart is that the driver is so low to the ground that he looks like he's orientated the way a go-cart rider is, with their legs spread out on either side of the handle and his torso tilted slightly, as if he was leaning on a seat that is angled backwards rather than straight up and down. If you look carefully you see this isn't the case - he does seem to be sitting with his legs below him, not stretched out - but it looks that way because of how low to the ground it is, and how his torso appears slightly titled backwards.

If you can reposition the front wheels together in front of the driver (like a trike basically), it will look so much better.

Okay, so you mean his positioning. That's pretty standard positioning for an ATV/four-wheeler. In either case, I think the Primaris need to fire Cobra Commander from the vehicle design team.

It is really sad that this day and age anyone would have an issue with a marine's orientation, whatever that may be.

changemod wrote:
Pushfit is harder to assemble, the pegs are a very tight fit and can jam, bend or break with the force of pushing them in. Shaving the peg thin enough to be a clean fit (and ideally take glue) requires a sharp hobby knife unsuited to young kids.

I've found GW's mouldline remover works quite well in widening the holes. Simply stick it in and rotate a few times until the hole is the right size.

Primario Kart Double Dash

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I really wish I was joking more than I am.

I wonder if the marine in front grumbles as he walks to his buggy, realizing he's gone through the rubicon primaris and centuries of battle/training to be relegated to the steel cage of a go-kart.

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Maybe this is some old training vehical which is why all then
Older marines are short, they lost their legs from the knee down due to the design of the training buggy meaning you loose your foot if you hit a small pebble as it gets ripped off underneath the buggy.

The ATV looks much better in the video including the 360. The still pic on warcom does it no favors. Will look better in Ravenwing black.

Either/Or wrote:
The ATV looks much better in the video including the 360. The still pic on warcom does it no favors. Will look better in Ravenwing black.

Rule of thumb for Space Marines is that everything looks better in black.